Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!

[Wickedestjr]

I dislike how you try to act like your vote for Oopidstay was both of the following:
1. An RVS vote that shouldn't have been attacked.
2. A vote that had serious reasoning behind it.

[theplague42]

Oops sorry guys I didn't see that the game had started. Hi to Twisted, but I don't seem to know anybody else. I'll be catching up momentarily.

[implosion]

Implosion, I'm actually not getting good vibes from. His defense of me is awfully strong for early-game information, and I'm not all that keen on how he keeps leaving room for changing stances in #38.

I am defending you, because I have a town read on you. I also don't see what's strange about leaving room for changing stances - this post was halfway into page two. Stances aren't going to be well-developed at this point.

Omgus much?

I get the rest of this post, but how is his vote omgus? Multiple people voted for him, and he explained why he voted for you over juls.

1) to apply pressure obv. It seems to have worked. If you want my opinion on others though I think there might be one scum on my wagon. Kalofer and Impolsion's votes look like complete overreactions and an easy ticket to go unsuspected through my wagon

What? The post where i vote you:

unvote, VOTE: twistedspoon
Is the goal of the RVS to get out of the RVS? If so, why does the RVS exist in the first place? Must every post in the RVS make an attempt to leave it?

How is this an overreaction, at all? What is it an overreaction to? There was no pressure on me - how could i overreact to anything?

Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with the implosion sheeping too. I've played with implosionscum before. this is similar

This is not similar to that game at all. I was lurking like hell that game because I had no idea what I was doing and was busy. Trying to equate my play here with my play in advance wars is just wrong... calling my play sheeping is even MORE wrong.

Who did i sheep?

point rescinded since you didn't realize i voted first, see below.

first vote or not it was still a complete overreaction to me pointing out that a self-vote isn't exactly that helpful. But I want to move on from the self-vote topic for now. I'm prepared to go along with the reaction fishing story.

I shall concede the point that I forgot implosion was the first vote though. My memory had oop as voter #1. nvm

An overreaction to you pointing out that a self-vote isn't helpful... well, first of all, it's clearly rocketed us into this entire discussion, I'd call that helpful. But more importantly... I quoted the post in which I voted you above. How is it, in any way, shape, or form, an overreaction to anything? I moved my vote from an RVS vote to an information-gaining vote as it was more useful there. You seem to be stating that simply voting you in such a way is an overreaction by merit of it being a vote on you, which reads to me as overdefensive. Also, did you think Kalofer was the first vote on your wagon? Why would you think that - there was a fair amount of content between our votes on you. Were you not reading closely?

@implosion- which allignment do you enjoy the most: town or scum?

Town, by far.

[implosion]

Page four reads

TOWN (strong to weak)
implosion
oopidstay
wickedestjr

NULL (town to scum, vaguely)
kalofer (leaning town)
morthas (leaning town weakly)
theplague (wholly null)
don_johnson (wholly null)
juls (leaning scum weakly)

SCUM
Twistedspoon

No other scum reads really strong enough to put in that category at this point. Juls is the closest, but it's unlikely that both she and TS are scum.

[theplague42]

So this game I'm trying something a little different. Before, I'm generally one of those players who write a wall of quotes and text maybe twice a week with some comments interspersed. Apparently a lot of people don't like reading walls So this game I'm going to try to either link or just reference specific parts instead of quoting everything I talk about. If I'm not being clear to what I'm referring to, please feel free to correct me. This is an experiment.

Ok so the first major thing seems to be Oopidstay's self-vote. It does strike me as slightly scummy, but I've seen town be rather stupid in the RVS so I'm putting it aside. The reactions are different. Juls' and implosion's reactions strike me as townie, don_johnson seems townie because of his insistence to skip the intense theory debate. I imagine scum would want to linger on an early, rather useless argument early on as long as possible.

TwistedSpoon's reaction does strike me as odd for the same reason that Oopidstay stated. He called it "contrived," I'd call it "manufactured." TS tries to portray himself as a townie by urging scumhunting so early and by referring to "us."

In post 43, TS aligns himself with Juls, trying to portray them both as town. His post 49 definitely reads like scum explanations or excuses.

Not sure about Juls' suspicion on implosion. I could see implosion as scum if Oopidstay was scum, but only that. Individually they are townie enough.

TS post 57: He sheeps on the implosion wagon for implosion sheeping. But wait, that's not even the best part.

Kalofer and Impolsion's votes look like complete overreactions and an easy ticket to go unsuspected through my wagon

Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with the implosion sheeping too. I've played with implosionscum before. this is similar

VOTE: implosion

Ummm TS quoted himself as justification for a vote.

Wickedestjr has made some good posts. Right now my top suspect is TS, but no other real reads other than that. I see Oopidstay and Juls as town.

[Twistedspoon]

Ummm TS quoted himself as justification for a vote.

so?

I was showing the vote wasn't spontaneous and that I had considered it before

problem?

[Kalofer]

Come to think of it, Twisted could be his usual townie self but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?

[theplague42]

Come to think of it, Twisted could be his usual townie self but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?

Honestly, I think I was waiting until the end of the post to do it, then read implosion's post and I must have forgotten.

Vote: TwistedSpoon

[Juls]

@Juls- So, just to be clear, do you find Oopidstay suspicious at all for his selfvote?

I found it to be anti-town. The jury is still out on if he is scum or not.

I'm not explaining, yet, though. Waiting to see what others think.

This reads as if you are going to piggyback someone elses argument. If you have evidence, present it. I can think of no reason to keep this information to yourself.

FoS: Twistedspoon

Wait, I thought Kaloofer and Oopid were scum? Surely you don't think its 3 scum in a 9 player game?

unvote, vote wicked

Somethings not jiving here....

Also, good posting by plague. implosion page 4 scum/town list is ridiculous at such an early stage.

(Still Limited Access. Posting from my hotel and will be driving all day again tomorrow)

[don_johnson]

you guys are moving fast. i'm gonna have to catch up this weekend. work tomorrow and saturday, so i'll read up when i get the time.

[Hoppster]

Day 1, Votecount 6

theplague42 - 0

[L - 5]

Twistedspoon - 3

[L - 2]

(implosion, Kalofer, theplague42)

Kalofer - 1

[L - 4]

(Wickedestjr)

Morthas - 0

[L - 5]

Juls - 1

[L - 4]

(don_johnson)

implosion - 2

[L - 3]

(Morthas, Twistedspoon)

Wickedestjr - 1

[L - 4]

(Juls)

don_johnson - 0

[L - 5]

Oopidstay - 0

[L - 5]

No Lynch - 0

[L - 5]

Not Voting - 1 (Oopidstay)

Deadline: Wednesday June 15th at 21:00 BST

Time left:

(expired on 2011-06-15 16:00:00)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Juls is V/LA Thursday-Saturday.

Wickedestjr is V/LA Friday-Sunday.

[Twistedspoon]

TwistedSpoon's reaction does strike me as odd for the same reason that Oopidstay stated. He called it "contrived," I'd call it "manufactured." TS tries to portray himself as a townie by urging scumhunting so early and by referring to "us."

It's assumptions like these that make me tear my hair

saying my reaction was 'manufactured.' I know that I myself am a townie so it's bizzare to suggest that I would 'manufacture' a reason
am I scum because I manufactured or manufactured because I'm scum?

If you lynch me on the basis that a reaction seems manufactured then you sir need to have your reaction analysis license taken away.

UNVOTE:

You still haven't told me why quoting myself was a bad thing plague. I disapprove of your unreasoned point

[don_johnson]

sweet. got the weekend off, so i'll read here and post tonight or tomorrow.

[theplague42]

It's nothing really tangible; the feeling of a "manufactured" response is just that, a feeling. I can't really explain it other than a feeling.

As for the quoting yourself, it was phrased

exactly

as if someone else said a suggestion that you agreed with, so you voted implosion. You basically used yourself as a reason to vote implosion. Not only that, but you were sheeping onto the implosion wagon immediately after falsely accusing implosion of sheeping.

Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with the implosion sheeping too. I've played with implosionscum before. this is similar

This statement is really scummy.

[Twistedspoon]

As for the quoting yourself, it was phrased

exactly

as if someone else said a suggestion that you agreed with, so you voted implosion. You basically used yourself as a reason to vote implosion. Not only that, but you were sheeping onto the implosion wagon immediately after falsely accusing implosion of sheeping.

the quote was to show it wasn't a spontaneous Juls sheep, but that I had considered it before

and I was wrong about the sheeping. I apologise, and I unvoted

[theplague42]

Teehee you spelled "apoligize" with an S, silly British jk

Okay I understand now. But you're still my top suspect for hypocrisy.

[don_johnson]

ok. i think kalofer is scum.

unvote, vote: kalofer

null for the most part, but this:

Come to think of it, Twisted could be his usual townie self but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?

just reads like he's egging on a mislynch. if twisted could be his "usual townie self", then there's no reason to lynch him in a 9 player game. plus, you then campaign for another vote on the wagon. just doesn't seem right.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: also, implo town/scum list is good form. never hurts to leave evidence. townies should have very little to hide.

[Oopidstay]

Vote: Kalofer

I agree with don's sentiments, and something's really bothering me about his #47. Can't quite put a finger on it at the moment.

[Oopidstay]

EBWOP: ...bothering me about Kalofer's #47.

[Twistedspoon]

Teehee you spelled "apoligize" with an S, silly British jk

haha

I see you Americans have a sense of Humo

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[Twistedspoon]

as for the kalofer wagon I approve of it. Fencesitting yet wagoning at the same time. sigh

i want to hear like his response though before I vote. He has like 2 posts so far.

[Kalofer]

Well the reason to lynch him would be the fact that he's acting scummy, just because I'm having doubts that he could be a townie doesn't mean I don't think he's more likely to be scum. Besides I have no one scummier to vote for. How is asking the plague why he didn't vote for someone for whom he made a case against scummy?

[theplague42]

It's not scummy, but I don't like how he didn't follow up on it.

[Juls]

I am no longer V/LA