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[Twistedspoon]

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Toro (4) - Empking, Jakesh97, PBuG, Sleepykrew
PBuG (1) - Panzerjager
Sleepykrew(1) - Hoppster
Thomith(1) - Toro
Hoppster(1) - Elfen

Not Voting (5) - 1Joe60, Sundy, Thomith, Animorpherv1, Captain Corporal

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch, 6 to no lynch.
The deadline is 6th July GMT 08:00

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[Hoppster]

Semi-wall below, sorry all.

I'm going to be watching Empking more and more from here on out, I'm not going to place a vote down on him to start a bandwagon as

there is a chance still he actually is Miller

. I won't make a final decision on what Empking is until I've read him better down the road. As of now I'm going to re-read back through the thread and look at all of the different conflicts going on.

... Come again?

Of course

there's a chance he's town (and therefore a Miller), that's the situation WITH EVERYBODY.

Please... with this logic, you should never ever make a vote apart from a select few scenarios when somebody is confirmed scum.

Hoppster

- First post of his (which includes a CC vote) appears serious, kind of appears as if he's jumping the gun here. (Scum)
- #26: Calls out Sleepy for over-eagerly rushing onto a wagon. Contradiction. Hopp overeagerly started a wagon and pushed for it in RVS. (Scum)

JUDGMENT: Lack of posts doesn't set anything in stone for me yet, but he's leaning scum.

What? How is a serious vote in RVS scummy?

I am also not contradicting myself in

any shape or form

.

Even if I was overeagerly starting a wagon (and I firmly believe I was not), my overeagerness in starting a wagon and Sleepy rushing overeagerly onto a wagon are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not even being hypocritical, if that's what you're driving at. Starting a wagon and rushing onto a wagon are

very different things

.

My wagon was justified, anyhow. Or are you saying this is not the case?

Thomith

- Posting thoughts on game so far. Thru #50. Not really contributing though. (Null)
- Still hasn't contributed anything. #62. (Null-Scum)

JUDGMENT: Is just coasting along echoing others thoughts and hasn't contributed, I think we might have scum here trying to lay low.

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Vote: Thomith

This is actually ridiculous.

Going to refer you back to your logic from avoiding Empking: "I'm not going to place a vote down on him to start a bandwagon as there is a chance still he actually is

Miller

town".

In fact, here's another lovely quote illustrating this:

Because here's the thing, it's not certain that Empking is a miller or not. I don't want to keep my vote on him throughout the whole day phase and potentially mislynch a townie.

Are you saying that there is no chance that Thomith is town? Pray, tell us how you know this.

You have 2 points on Thomith - Null and Null-Scum.

You have 2 Scum points on myself. You have 3 on SleepyKrew.

And yet you vote for Thomith?!

Empking

- Claims miller right off the bat, you all know how I feel about this. (Null)

Yep, that's right, I know you think it's... null? That's not how it looked earlier...

IGMEOY: Empking

^ Ie. MILLER CLAIM TOTALLY NOT NULL

FoS: Toro

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thomith
Thank you Sundy

^ plzexplain

1. You're attacking me over doubting your Miller claim. What you fail to realize is that

all of us don't know who you are exactly

, and that there is a possibility that you're faking the Miller claim so you can get the cop of your trail. Your attacking me due to my thinking appears jumpy to me.

It may be me being slightly incoherent due to the time, but I think that's a scumslip.

How?

[jakesh97]

Why in the hell did toro become a bandwaggon?

UNVOTE: Toro

someone explain to me as I think the reasons I have read all jumbled and absolutely ridiculous. Explain, now please.

[PJ.]

Umm, Did anyone see Sleepy's Miller Mason Recruiter claim? I think the scum are gambiting us here. EK claims miller straight away then Sleepy calim's he's not only a miller but a Mason Recruiter as well? I'd be willing to bet there are not two millers in the game. Or two masons.

Vote:EmpKing

Toro is acting scummy but I really don't think he is part of the scum team.

[animorpherv1]

I have to agree with Panzer, but I don't like the Miller Mason Recruiter claim more.

Vote:SleepyKrew

[Hoppster]

Oh, come on.

You're seriously voting SK for the Miller Mason Recruiter obvjoke claim?

:/

ani, do you agree with panz that Toro is not scum?


Panz, why vote Empking over SleepyKrew?

Realising SleepyKrew's claim was a joke, do you still think Empking is gambitting scum?


jakesh: Did you read my post immediately above yours?

[Empking]

Toro is acting scummy but I really don't think he is part of the scum team.

Why?

[SleepyKrew]

I was under the impression that Mason Recruiters weren't even allowed in Normals, especially the Miller kind. I'll make some :goodposting: in a bit.

[SleepyKrew]

Wall of small posts incoming. Sorry, but I find it easier to organize my thoughts this way.
@Toto
Why vote Thomith if I'm a stronger scumread?

[SleepyKrew]

Hoppster:
Only an FoS? No vote?
I didn't like the "Aww I missed RVS" post. Then he contributed, so I unvoted.
"All of us don't know exactly who you are." Does nobody else read this as "I know you're town but the town doesn't"? Am I going senile?

[SleepyKrew]

Or two masons.

You don't think it's likely there's two Masons... Wha?

[SleepyKrew]

You're seriously voting SK for the Miller Mason Recruiter obvjoke claim?

/wallofposts

[PJ.]

And what about me do you like?
CC, the reason the game is going is because Emp claimed Miller.
PEDIT: Of course scum can claim Miller.
BTW, I'm a Miller Mason Recruiter.

@Hoppster, This post doesn't sound like a joke to me but I'm really bad at that. And honestly, no reason as to why empking over sleepy. I think they're both scum.

And yes I still feel Empking is gambiting scum.

[SleepyKrew]

Miller Mason Recruiter

[PJ.]

I still don't necessarly see how that's a joke but I see that it is indeed ridiculous, just not really generally a fan of joke claims.

regardless I think Empking is lying about his miller claim.

[Empking]

Toro is acting scummy but I really don't think he is part of the scum team.

Why?

[SleepyKrew]

Missed this.

Empking

- Claims miller right off the bat, you all know how I feel about this. (Null)
- #27: Why the hell does he think he's a semi-likely Cop investigation right off the bat? This doesn't sit right with me. (Scum)
- #54: Clearly points out how the cop WON'T investigate him now, am I the only one who finds that interesting? (Null-Scum)
- Misrepresenting me in #60, I'm not subtly placing it in people's heads, I flat-out said it. That's also not claiming scum as he says it is. (Scum)

JUDGMENT: Definitely a major scumspect, I'm not sold on his Miller claim. But now I'm more on a 65/35 scum/miller thinking.

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1. You seem a bit more suspicious than "null".
2. He's a famous player.
3. Well, if you were Cop, would YOU waste an inv now that you know you'll get a guilty?
4. 65/35 isn't "null".
Also, Pbug is town for his terrible logic, but Empking isn't?

[Captain Corporal]

...and you didn't answer what you like about me.

I like the fact that you were actively scumhunting early-game (page 1), albeit poor scumhunting.


Reading through slowly

[Captain Corporal]

I like PBuG's #83. The fact that you are willing to wait and not quicklynch is a town tell.

This whole Toro case I see on page 4 looks good. I don't like Toro's #80. He didn't need to make a post of it, imo and is trying to play town. His IGMEOY just sounds like he's backpeddalling.

Continuing to read.

[Captain Corporal]

@Toro
Show me where I contradict myself in #23.

[SleepyKrew]

CC, who are your top scumspects?

[Captain Corporal]

@Sleepy
Toro is my top and only scumspect. But my read onhim isn't all that strong. After there's some input from all the lurkers, I'll give you my scumspects again.

[Elfen]

I don't think scum would make a mistake like SK did.

Do you not feel that SK's post felt like an over-eager rush onto the wagon?

No.

Well I kinda liked CC while everyone else was up in his face, so that's a mark against SK.

Having the initials SK is another mark against him.

Claiming that CC voted Miller-claim = not reading thread, making up case = bad. Looking for contradictions = possible genuine scum hunting? Calling his own logic "shit" and saying others should think him scummy for it = kinda town. Changing directions and voting for me = why?

I have a contradictory read ATM. SK looks like someone trying to be really aggressive and awesome with a slight hint of town despite himself.

Huh? Tis a buddying up with CC?? And That is SK for you.. he is an aggressive player ._.

I guess I was just misguided, it didn't make sense to me because, as scum, claiming miller instantaneously can deflect suspicion, and it will likely perplex my future read of Empking... Buttt in light of Empking's explanation it makes sense. That and the fact that I haven't played in a while so I should probably screw my head on a little tighter.

I'm on this track of thinking as well, something's nagging at my head that Empking is not who he says he is.

If even you think they are aweful questions, why ask them? I don't care about answering questions but if they won't help in the long run i dont see the point.

Sleepy did you read the thread before saying CC voted for the miller claim or even acknowledge who he voted for?

The EK claim seems town, as if i am understanding right a miller claims Day 1 so the Cop isn't hindered in the long wrong.

Agreed on self-doubting his own questions.

And the problem I have with Miller being claimed this early is that it can easily cover Emp's tracks upon investigation by a cop. The way people are all agreeing to it could solidifiy his spot in the closing stages. Don't take this as me wanting to get rid of Empking right off the bat but it's certainly something to think about.

IGMEOY: Empking

Yeah, I have to agree with this :/ Well sorry for sheeping But.. What he said in this post right here..

But I won't be investigated by a Cop. That's the point of claiming Miller.

Unvote

Vote Toro

- IGMEOYing before having a serious vote along with the weak "Don't take this as me wanting to get rid of Empking right off the bat but it's certainly something to think about."

To me, he claiming miller may have been a cover or a townie trust thing. I don’t trust him now. Also voting some one who went against you?? Umm… that totes something

No it's not. Once again, would a vote legitimize my case to you?

If you weren't merely throwing the thought out there then I wouldn't be voting you for merely throwing the thought out there. That's true.

I think you're trying to mis-read what I'm saying back there, you're trying to make it look like I'm pushing it as scum, but it is a strong possibility. Why so jumpy?

1. How am I jumpy?
2. If it was a "strong possibility" why did you "merely throwing the thought out there,". Surely a strong possibility deserves more than that.

1. You're attacking me over doubting your Miller claim. What you fail to realize is that all of us don't know who you are exactly, and that there is a possibility that you're faking the Miller claim so you can get the cop of your trail. Your attacking me due to my thinking appears jumpy to me.
2. No one else doubted the authenticity of your Miller claim, so I "threw it out there" to remind people that there's a chance you're lying.

And after you said that and what he posted later. It kind of does seem odd. But Emp did attack Toto cause she may have somewhat counter claimed or accusing he may be lying. Again, she is still wary if he is or not, as for I

Elfen is so fail. Page 4 dude.

RVS ended ages ago Elfen...

My bad xD I was at my friends house and I didn’t pay attention to what was saying or how many pages xD I just answered the RQS and I wanted to random vote…

This is the thing i never understand, if you have a strong FOS why do you vote someone else other than your strong FOS?

Yep.. Just saw this ._. If you where town, you would have nothing to hide. Place your vote or something, as a town person you have nothing to loose by voting or speaking you mouth. ._.

[Elfen]

As for the Late RVS Umm i was at my friends house sooo thats why i was late and i wanted to be in it O^O any who...

UNVOTE

Also I would like to point out something about Sleepy. Even though it was just one game and still going on, I know he is an aggressive player, but the way he is throwing his votes around... I don't think he did that... Idk :/

[Elfen]

Sorry for triple post, as for right now. My mind is fucked up and confused, EK, SK and toro are like uuugh So IGMEOY THREE I will ISO and go back over their post and see what i find. my fisr post was me skimming and some input in the game. Also has their been any lurkers? or many inactives or w/e??