Open 318: By Nomination Only (Game Over)

[Amrun]

Claim VT.

See how simple, easy, and pointless it is? Can we move on?

GreyICE suggested the optimal play would be to RNG the "normal" lynches. Thoughts?

[Papa Zito]

Dat chainsaw.

Thems a lot of words, Rory. And you seem to be drawing a conclusion that I'm a naughty evildoer. Y/N?


Amrun, asking why I claimed is just as null as the claim itself. There's a dynamic involved that you're ignoring or something? Also plz to be sharing with the class what has shaken out with your PZ vote.

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[Papa Zito]

GreyICE suggested the optimal play would be to RNG the "normal" lynches. Thoughts?

Sounds like a great way to create an information-deprived town. There's no power roles, so wagons are all you got.

[Hoopla]

Claim VT.

Anyone buying this claim? I'm not.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Amrun

[Copper]

Hello. We will not be revealing our heads, but for anyone who is interested, we have six completed games:

Mini 934 - Vanilla Town
Open 223 - Town Doctor (This game was a six-page travesty - unhelpful for reads)
Mini 999 - Vanilla Town
Open 244 - Werewolf
Mini 1072 - Town Undercover Reflex Guard
The Mafia with the Hydras - Replaced in N1 - Mafia Goon

NobodySpecial, how are we a mystery in a way that RorytheRoman isn't? And why do you think Amrun will be on tomorrows list?

RoryTheRoman, "never had the intention of catching scum" is a strong accusation, and your overly verbose wall does little to justify it. Your lack of vote is at odds with the supposed strength of your accusation.

Vote: RoryTheRoman

We have some thoughts about how to get the most utility out of the setup (that is, the mindset that should get the most value out of even days), but after discussing them in the QT we think it's best saved until tomorrow, when scum have chosen their first list. The nice thing about Nightless games is that there are no surprise deaths that take away your chance to speak.

[Amrun]

Are you asking me whether I am ignoring a dynamic or telling me that I am?

I'm not sure what has shaken out, yet. You're being deliberately opaque. I have decided that if your ploy was designed for a and b, b is definitely more what you had in mind, but c is still a fairly equal possibility.

P-edit: I am not inclined to lynch the way GreyICE suggested as it sounds boring, but thought it was worth bringing up.

Also, wagons on me are fun.

[Amrun]

Oh, and another thing: if me asking you why you claimed is null, PZ, then how is it also only coming from a scum mindset?

[Hoopla]

Optimal play is typically doing the opposite of what GreyICE says.

[Papa Zito]

RoryTheRoman, "never had the intention of catching scum" is a strong accusation, and your overly verbose wall does little to justify it. Your lack of vote is at odds with the supposed strength of your accusation.

Dammit, I'm working here.


@Amrun, is the purpose of your PZ vote to shake something out from me or something else? Also dunno how I'm being deliberately opaque, I'm kinda playing open book atm.

I think you should go back and read what I posted again.

[Fenchurch]

Claim VT.

See how simple, easy, and pointless it is? Can we move on?

There's a difference between an unprompted claim, and a claim that follows a discussion about claiming.

And I wouldn't say it gave me a strong read, the key is "with conviction", which is a lot harder to judge online. I just don't think it is pointless, like you were saying.

Amrun: do you think you will be on the nomination list tomorrow?

VOTE: muffin
same reason as my previous forest vote

What was the reason for your forest vote? "welcome back"?

forest: any comments on the game?

[Amrun]

PZ, I wanted to see both how you would react to it and how everyone else would. All in all, I thought it was a fairly simple way to begin moving the game towards content.

That "experiment" is still in the midst of being carried out, as not everyone has even posted.

If you were being transparent, you would have said why you claimed when asked mutliple times

[Rory the Roman]

Looool.

Rory. A) Not a newbie. B) Claiming doesn't give scum any information here. It doesn't give town any information, either.

Your actions show otherwise, Amrum. B) is an insult to my intelligence, and shows that you can't read very well.

Thems a lot of words, Rory. And you seem to be drawing a conclusion that I'm a naughty evildoer. Y/N?

Maybe. Either you are a cheap joker who kicks the game alive at the expence of a newby, or you are a fairly obvious scum who fakes his cases by hiding it in complicated words. The conclusion is that regardless of your allignment, your current vote can't be taken seriously.

@Copper. I think you are the one supposing, while we are the one trying to find reads. Don't try to "suppose" what our reads should be.

[Papa Zito]

If you were being transparent, you would have said why you claimed when asked mutliple times

I killed RVS in one mighty blow!

[Amrun]

Unvote

Something has "shaken out."

Rory, are you an alt?

[Amrun]

Someone asked me if I think I will be nminated tomorrow, and I forgot to answer. If the day ended RIGHT NOW, there would a higher than average probability. By the end of the day, things might change drastically.

[Fenchurch]

Rory is a hydra who doesn't want reveal the players controlling him.

[Fenchurch]

So a kind of alt, depending on your definition of alt.

[Rory the Roman]

Unvote

Something has "shaken out."

Rory, are you an alt?

Nope.

Rory is a hydra who doesn't want reveal the players controlling him.

Yup.

[Nobody Special]

Amrun: do you think you will be on the nomination list tomorrow?

Of course. If she lives through today, she'll put herself on the list for the WIFOM value, if nothing else.

[Hoopla]

Maybe. Either you are a cheap joker who kicks the game alive at the expence of a newby

I think you're overestimating the depth of Zito's initial motivation to claim VT. I don't think it was intended to be a newbie trap - you can (maybe) logically extrapolate that the end result might only catch newbies, but I don't think Zito would have consciously known that before posting. My take was that it was pretty obviously a joke, with no intention to catch anyone.

[Nobody Special]

^Scum, with or without Zito.

[Amrun]

I thought that was Copper. I guess we have a couple.

Why don't you break it down for me, Rory. Why does claiming VT in this set up give scum any information whatsoever?

P-edit: NS, if you think I'm scum, why isn't your vote on me?

Hoopla, do you agree with Rory's assessment of me?

[Nobody Special]

Not fully convinced yet.

[Amrun]

So you suspect me, but you'd rather keep an RV? Why ois that?

[Nobody Special]

Haven't yet seen a reason to move. I also suspect Copper, so.