Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[Bub Bidderskins]

Personally, I'd wait until Day 0.75 to use it. There aren't going to be any night kills in the meantime, and at that point you'll have the most information possible without risking your death.

Toasty is anti-town but not scum. Scum aren't that obnoxious. But either way he's at the bottom of the revive list.

[Slaxx]

Unless you have vastly improved since your last scum game I played with you(no offense, you still won) then you are town.

Town: Bub, Toasty, Parama

Scum: Probably One of AntB/Awesoma

-AntB scum=Awesoma town and Bobs town
-AntB town=Possibly Awesoma scum

[Bub Bidderskins]

Unless you have vastly improved since your last scum game I played with you(no offense, you still won) then you are town.

Town: Bub, Toasty, Parama

Scum: Probably One of AntB/Awesoma

-AntB scum=Awesoma town and Bobs town
-AntB town=Possibly Awesoma scum

No offense taken.

Anyway, even though I think toasty's prob town, we should not revive him. He'd just be a hinderence. However, if later in the game we need to revive somebody to win, then we can just revive him. He'd be good as a sort of saftey option.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, I did talk about Awesoma.

I stand corrected, but it is still weird that you chose to place a random vote when you knew there was actual content posted.

[ToastyToast]

Anyway, even though I think toasty's prob town, we should not revive him. He'd just be a hinderence. However, if later in the game we need to revive somebody to win, then we can just revive him. He'd be good as a sort of saftey option.

Read any of my games and you'll see that I'm not the antitown player you think I am.

[Packbat]

I haven't read Toasty's games, and I don't see the anti-town either. And quite frankly, I find the speed at which the Par-wagon built ... worrying. For now, Parama, StrangerCoug, and Awesoma are my top three scumspects (ugly wagon, ugly self-vote, and ugly Par-vote, respectively), so:

UNVOTE: StrangerCoug
VOTE: Slaxx

(Slaxx is pretty well conftown; his power is unfakeable.)

[Parama]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

[bobsnox]

Parama - can I get a response?

Also, if I could be alive by night 2 or 3 that would be awesome.

[Parama]

Response to what? I responded to everything you asked.

[Packbat]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

You aren't worried when you see a wagon hit L-2 on page 2?

[Parama]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

You aren't worried when you see a wagon hit L-2 on page 2?

Not when the wagon's on confirmed town.

[bobsnox]

Sorry missed it. Phone reading.

Anyway - StrangerCoug, Slaxx, and Parama for the first 3 phases?

[Packbat]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

You aren't worried when you see a wagon hit L-2 on page 2?

Not when the wagon's on confirmed town.

You mean, "not when the wagon's on myself", right? You're not

conf

town, whatever reads people have. And given that we basically

start

at LyLo, I find your lack of paranoia disturbing.

[Parama]

I'm not seeing why everyone finds SC so townie.
I already said in my playerlist post that Slaxx is going to be the second person revived for sure.

Packbat - I'm confirmed town to myself. Asking me that question is silly.

[bobsnox]

Parama I would like you to note in the game we played and the game you modded I was tunneled and mislynched by scum. I don't think you've seen enough to say I'm not trustworthy as town. More like I'm an easy target for scum.

And you genuinely thought I was the SK, so you obviously can't nail my alignment that easily.

Oh well

[Bub Bidderskins]

I haven't read Toasty's games, and I don't see the anti-town either. And quite frankly, I find the speed at which the Par-wagon built ... worrying. For now, Parama, StrangerCoug, and Awesoma are my top three scumspects (ugly wagon, ugly self-vote, and ugly Par-vote, respectively), so:

UNVOTE: StrangerCoug
VOTE: Slaxx

(Slaxx is pretty well conftown; his power is unfakeable.)

We shouldn't revive him, though, because he's just going to use his power and die in anyway (unless he must be alive to use it, that is). Also, even though it may be unfakeable, keep in mind that as a town we have no power to kill, only to revive. If we revive him we can't just kill him off if he's lying (unless there's some vig role). While I don't think he's lying, it's just something we need to keep in mind.

[StrangerCoug]

For now, Parama, StrangerCoug, and Awesoma are my top three scumspects (ugly wagon, ugly self-vote, and ugly Par-vote, respectively)

Explain how our actions are "ugly".

[Bub Bidderskins]

My previous post (damn ninja) was me being a dick and not reading slaxx's claim fully. According to his claim he must be

alive

during the day phases. Not in limbo.

unvote; vote: slaxx

[Bub Bidderskins]

Gah, my head is mush.

[bobsnox]

Why wouldn't town have the power to kill?

[Bub Bidderskins]

We don't lynch people during the day; we revive people from limbo. The town as a whole doesn't actually have the power to kill, though there may be a vig somewhere.

[Bub Bidderskins]

It's reverse mafia; you have to think backwards.

[Parama]

Yeah, you have to lynch your townreads and sheep your scumreads.

[Packbat]

For now, Parama, StrangerCoug, and Awesoma are my top three scumspects (ugly wagon, ugly self-vote, and ugly Par-vote, respectively)

Explain how our actions are "ugly".

If I had a good explanation, I wouldn't say "ugly" - what I have is gut feelings:

1. There's nothing ugly about Parama's actions; it's the votes on the Par-wagon - particularly Awesoma's at #30 - which bother me. Too many, too quick, too little dissent. It feels like town saying, "He sounds good, all right" and scum saying, "sweet, town is letting us get away with it!" Could be completely an illusion, obviously, but L-2 this early makes me worry.

2. You vote for Parama, for reasonable reasons ... then jump off Parama rapidly to vote for yourself at #13, invoking your five-game losing streak as scum ending with Color Concentration. Well, I was in Color Concentration, as you may recall, and you lost there because your partner self-destructed. Also: #27, "while my self-vote is admittedly a bit WIFOM-based"? Scummish.

(I'm a bit biased because of Slaxx #23, unfortunately; it felt like scum protecting a scumbuddy-townie pair in Parama/StrangerCoug, but given Slaxx is conftown that's impossible.)

3. Awesoma's case starts at #16, with the very weirdly-phrased remark about "fair" voting, and continues into the weird disjointed premature-L-2 #30. Awesoma, is English your first language?

[Pomegranate]

Hi, acknowledging that I've read the thread so far, and will post tomorrow. Kthx.