Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[hiphop]

I agree with RC.

Last will isn't as great as one might think. For one would have to use it every night, or take a gamble that they are not lynched or nk'd.

[RedCoyote]

^Really?

I guess it does seem a little intense at first glance, but after letting it sit awhile it don't seem all that bad.

Oh, I don't mean it in a bad way. I'm just saying that there's going to be more to it than I originally thought. I think there could be a lot of strategy involved in this game. Especially if we have someone trying to plan out how cash should be spent.

[Regfan]

/Confirm. I haven't had a good chance to read over the rules however I plan on sitting down later tonight and going over it multiple times. From a quick glance of it I believe an organised system could potentially increase our chances of winning massively.

[Seacore]

Last will is great. Mini themes go for an average of 5/6 days. A x3 ability is basically an every night power for half the players.

And <3 Magua for his no proven random rule, I always put this in my games.

[IceGuy]

/confirm

[Magua]

So, Mod, in other words, if I were to buy, like, a Vig power, not use it during the current day I buy it or the succeeding night, I would have two shot the next day? If that's not true, could you give an example of this for me?

You have the idea correct; however, it is not true in this specific case because of the "you possess that has

more than one

use remaining" clause, which would keep it from working if you only had Night-kill x 1.

[Regfan]

The fact that mafia have daytalk means that their decisions in regards to selection and bidding will likely be organised therefore it will be difficult to decide on an optimal play openly in the thread however I believe multiple things need to be mentioned.

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Efficency Bonus: The bonus that is obtained for a faster lynch is actually quite beneficial and means that the game stalling or delaying at any point will be highly damaging, furthermore mafia are likely to be attempting to slow the game down therefore I urge everyone to attempt to stay as active as they can. I know that the idea of a lynch in less than a week is sub-optimal and damaging to the needed level of content but I believe a lynch in roughly ten days should be a target that we set for ourselves.

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Transfers: All transfers should be stated in the thread before proceeding. Doing so will allow us to have some form of idea over who indeed has how much money because the major advantage that mafia seem to hold is an increased amount of funds provided to them upon game start allowing them to guarentee any item they want. This means that any item bought for greater than $100 can be automatically be assumed to be mafia-owned and therefore any player that knows that this is the case should state that openely in the thread.

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Investment: I wouldn't recommend initially investing because it allows mafia to have a bigger crack at the power roles provided however I do believe that if you do not obtain an item by the end of bidding you should place all possible funds into investment. If you do still however lean towards greatly investing all your funds I would suggest placing your maximum bidding pool on night-kill just on the off-chance that mafia haven't attempted to grab it with everything they have and forcing them to use a greater deal of their funds on it allowing more to be won elsewhere.

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Advertising: Despite the fact that I'm currently majoring in Marketing I believe that spending funds on advertising is counter productive and pointless in this game. Spending funds on this for one may lead against the desired result if another townie or mafia place a higher bid as well as doing nothing other than ensuring that an item is up for auction the following day but not assuring that it is yourself or a town player that recieves it.

[PeregrineV]

/confirm

[Magua]

Breaking News

Regfan has requested to be replaced by Ethos, a hydra of Regfan and Slaxx.

As I know that some people do not want to play with hydras, I am asking you, the valued customer, to PM me in the next 48 hours if you do not want this allowed. Two nays nixes it.

As always, your satisfaction is our #1 priority.

[Regfan]

My activity may be a bit spottish in the next few days due to multiple real life obligations that I have found myself in thus the reasoning behind the want for a hydra replacement in however I perfectly understand if any of you don't want a hydra in the game. Moving onward again if anyone disagrees with any of this post they should state so.

Cop and Doctor should be aimed at without a doubt, when doing so putting large portions of your funds towards it and aiming for relatively little elsewhere is recommended. Extra Vote should be aimed at however it also needs to be realized that it's highly likely that mafia will work out who it belongs to therefore when attaining it claiming so openely in the thread is likely optimal. Governor should be aimed at for the sole reason of preventing mafia from attaining it as should Investigation Immunity.

Neighborizer and Setup Information are both items I recommend bidding for, any form of communication that we can get outside of the thread leads to better organistion for future bidding and setup information allows for questions relating to the number of mafia in the setup or the amount of money they recieved initally could prove useful. Last Will shouldn't be aimed for as the only time it benefits town is if the player holding it dies and hands their money to a town player which isn't guarenteed. Oracle and Vote Nullifer are both incredibly weak and do nothing to benefit either side that much therefore I would recommend against it.

Nightkill should be only aimed at if you're willing to place all your funds on it and aiming for nothing else, this is something I would only recommend for people considering the back-up of investment. The perfect thing with this occuring is that the players who missed it but recieved full investment will likely be able to snatch this from the mafia tommorow.

[WeyounsLastClone]

/confirm

[malpascp]

/confirm

yepeee

[Magua]

We disposed of Andrius' body the same way we did all the rest -- we dumped it in the break room and let the cleaning staff take care of it.

That handled, I gathered everyone together in one of the conference rooms and gave my speech.

"You little [expletive deleted]s. If this gets out, our funding is cut for sure. What sort of [expletive deleted] are you [expletive deleted]s trying to pull here? Now [expletive deleted] fess up so we can all get back to work."

No one confessed, so I ploughed on.

"Fine. If that's the way you [expletive deleted] want it. No one's [expletive deleted] leaving the [expletive deleted] office until we figure this [expletive deleted] out. I've locked the [expletive deleted] doors, so nothing's getting in and nothing's getting out."

There was a gasp of surprise around the table.

"But what about our Starbucks deliveries?" a woman asked.

I had to think quickly; lynching and murder was one thing, but if Frappucino's were denied, things could get real ugly. "Fine," I backtracked, "We'll let in the [expletive deleted] Starbucks. But that's it!"

"But I have an Amazon package I'm expected," someone whined.

Grrrr. "Ok. Whatever. [expletive deleted]. Amazon deliveries are let in."

One of the programmers stood up, disturbing a caking of Doritos dust. "I'm out of Moutain Dew."

"[expletive deleted]. [expletive deleted]. Whatever. All deliveries are let in. Now can we just [expletive deleted] find the people responsible for this [expletive deleted] mess? [expletive deleted]."

It is now

Day 1

.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is July 12th, 2011, at 1:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-07-12 13:00:00)

Most Advertised Ability:

None

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Current Bid	Auction Length	Countdown
1	Cop x 2	$50	-	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-05 13:00:00)
2	Doctor x 2	$40	$40	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
3	Extra Vote x 2	$10	$10	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
4	Governor x 1	$30	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
5	Investigation Immunity x 4	$25	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
6	Last Will x 3	$25	-	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
7	Neighborizer x 3	$20	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
8	Night-kill x 1	$50	-	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-05 13:00:00)
9	Oracle x 2	$10	$10	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
10	Setup Information x 3	$10	$41	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
11	Vote Nullifier x 1	$25	-	3 days**	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)

** Vote Nullifier was incorrectly listed as being a 7 day auction in post #3. It is a 3 day auction.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Vote: HipHop

Why, precisely, would you want Investigation Immunity for? To keep the mafia from it? Or something far more sinister?

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- So if I bid on #1 and no one else does and win it, I get 2 cop investigations for $50.

And there may or may not be another auction similar to #1 tomorrow?

[Magua]

@Magua- So if I bid on #1 and no one else does and win it, I get 2 cop investigations for $50.

Correct.

And there may or may not be another auction similar to #1 tomorrow?

Correct.

[malpascp]

NK IS MINE MUHAHAHA

really who the heck is bidding for setup information?

[PeregrineV]

NK IS MINE MUHAHAHA

really who the heck is bidding for setup information?

It can be used to determine the mafia funds, more or less.

You could ask "Does a mafia goon start out with more than 2 times the starting money of a vanilla townie?", "Does a mafia goon start out with more than 3 times the starting money of a vanilla townie?", "Does a mafia goon start out with more than 5 times the starting money of a vanilla townie?" so you can get an idea of mafia funds.

My first thought would be town and mafia starting funds be about equal, so 9 x $100= 3 x $300.
But the setup questions would help.

[malpascp]

So you are assuming that mafia has no interest on setup information?

[PeregrineV]

Maybe they do, but they know alignment, we don't. They pay for NK, we don't pay for lynches. All other "roles" are for sale.

What would mafia want to know?

Maybe existence of an SK, but we'd want to know that too.

[malpascp]

Or maybe they dont want us to know more...

Never crossed my mind a SK in a mini setup, but with mafia and NK for auction...

What do you guys think?

[WeyounsLastClone]

Seacore

. It's reasonably early, and could just be to get people talking, but not sure about him asking people which roles they would choose.

[WeyounsLastClone]

hmm, should be

Vote:Seacore.

[IceGuy]

We should somehow coordinate our bids to not overbid ourselves. I propose claiming of what we're bidding on, so every ability is only bid on by one player. However, we should

not

claim how much we're bidding.

Random vote: VOTE: HellloooNewman

[Ghostlin]

NK IS MINE MUHAHAHA

really who the heck is bidding for setup information?

You may be kidding about this, but the most common folks after NK will be in fact mafia. So this makes me kinda churn, even in no votes on NKx1 yet.

vote: malpascp