Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[Rhinox]

Jason and toog are both L-1 it seems.

This is a very good point:

with 1 scum left, what reason would I have as scum, to hold off lynching Reck? I could have easily hammered him and took it to night looking to lynch you tomorrow after your 1vs1 knowing both would flip town and I would win as scum.

Which is why I'm probably going to hammer toog and if toog isn't scum reck is getting lynched tomorrow.

Anyone have anything else to say before hammer?

[Toogeloo]

You do realize you wont be around tomorrow to make sure that Reck is lynched. Peregrine will be, and he voted Jason today.

This game is only 41 pages in entirety. Seriously... reread the entire game and tell me that I am scum. Don't be lazy.

[xRECKONERx]

Fine. If Toog is lynched and somehow miraculously isn't scum, I'll fight tooth-and-nail to take down jason tomorrow. Because it's not me.

Hammer Toog already so we can be done with this

[jasonT1981]

its ok, I will look for you too to be lynched

[xRECKONERx]

Because you know Toog will flip town? lololol

[jasonT1981]

well, the exact same could be asked off you too.....

[xRECKONERx]

If Toog is lynched and somehow miraculously isn't scum

its ok, I will look for you too to be lynched

one of these things is not like the other

[Toogeloo]

Jason and toog are both L-1 it seems.

This is a very good point:

with 1 scum left, what reason would I have as scum, to hold off lynching Reck? I could have easily hammered him and took it to night looking to lynch you tomorrow after your 1vs1 knowing both would flip town and I would win as scum.

Which is why I'm probably going to hammer toog and if toog isn't scum reck is getting lynched tomorrow.

Anyone have anything else to say before hammer?

As for your point, I already addressed why he would want me gone first. In a final 3, Reck would be easier to lynch than I would be. If you look at the flow of events today, Reck was looking to be the clear choice for lynching. You (Rhinox) were counter arguing him and stated you would govern me, PV didn't seem interested in me, Jason pops in and says he was leaning voting for Reck. With enough support to potentially lynch Reck, the logic is that Reck could still be viable if he were lynched tomorrow. So Jason comes in and does a complete 180 and votes me. This is why I lean Jason slightly scummier than Reck at the moment. If he can get me mislynched, he has a better shot tomorrow.

If he went into a LyLo with me, his odds would probably be worse due to the support I had at the beginning of today.


Rhinox, do you honestly believe I am scum, or do you just think I am a better lynch than Jason?

[Toogeloo]

Plus, if Reck is town and Jason scum, how bad would Jason look for hammering a town that put himself at L-1?

[jasonT1981]

If Toog is lynched and somehow miraculously isn't scum

its ok, I will look for you too to be lynched

one of these things is not like the other

My point was if Toog is lynched and isnt scum I will be going after you tomorrow.

in the same way you said if Toog is lynched and isnt scum, you will be going after me.

What part of that is hard to understand?

[xRECKONERx]

Can we end this already? Jesus.

PS, PeregrineV is way overdue for a prod or some actual content or ANYTHING.

[jasonT1981]

lynch me today then, let toog and Reck do their 1 on 1 tomorrow

[jasonT1981]

that way I am sure that my lynch wont lose the game for town, if I am lynched today. Instead of tomorrow

[Sovereign]

PeregrineV 2011-08-20 13:55:12

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Actually, he is

exactly

due for a prod (and has been prodded accordingly ofc).

[Rhinox]

I will wait to see if PV has anything to say.

[xRECKONERx]

Rhinox, hammer Toogeloo. If jason is actually scum, I want him to have to work for it tomorrow against me. And I'm not about to jump over and hammer jason when I have Toogeloo at L-1.

[jasonT1981]

Afraid of your 1 on 1 with toog then, Reck?

[jasonT1981]

Maybe i'll self hammer and force you into the 1 on 1 with Toog tomorrow!

[xRECKONERx]

Be my guest.

Or Toogeloo can self-hammer.

I don't care either way.

[Toogeloo]

Getting this stupid conspiracy theory forming in my head that Hiraki was an odd night Serial Killer, which if true means scum win regardless.

I want to also explain this in the event that I am hammered.

Since hosts are being quite cryptic with the flips (ie, we don't actually know what kind of independent Hiraki was), he could have killed Amrun on Night 3 and PV could be the final scum. That is why I stated that if Hiraki is an odd-night Serial Killer, we lose anyways, because no one is going to go after PV after we confirmed him via being roleblocked and a kill happening. With everyone offering themselves in 1v1, self hammerings, and what not... how can I not be paranoid about something like that.

Personally, Jason's play has been the worst today in my opinion, and I will not be getting off of him. If it gets to Reck and Jason in LyLo, it may as well be a coin flip imo, and I would not be terribly surprised on who ever of the remaining players flips scum, as I could see a reason for each.

With that, I am going on vacation tomorrow until the 29th. I will be busy packing and such for the next few hours, and then I will be VERY limited access for the next 5-6 days. Whatever happens, que sera sera.

[PeregrineV]

I will wait to see if PV has anything to say.

No, nothing additional. More of it is on you since you can stop the lynch. I was under the impression you were going to govern Toog, and that fits with my own read on him. Now you say your not, that it was only implied. Toog is my last choice for today.

You can hammer, but please answer this first to help me understand why:

Rhinox, do you honestly believe I am scum, or do you just think I am a better lynch than Jason?

[xRECKONERx]

God, why'd you put that shit about a SK in my head, Toog?

[Toogeloo]

Well, I was trying to figure out the Night 1 extra kill as that makes the least amount of sense in the game. GhostWriter's lynching, he wanted to be spared to ID the Serial Killer, which gave me pause thinking maybe they really had no idea what happened to SpyreX.

PV's Vig gift to me disappeared on that night, which I suspect was SpyreX switching places with me, and it died with him. So I tried to figure out who would want me dead since a switch would mean I would have been the original target of the kill if true. But that also means that Hiraki would be able to shoot through Roleblocking, and only shoot on Odd Nights (since he was tracked no where Night 2 and there was no kill Night 2, so he isn't a ninja).

If SpyreX decided to try and Vig instead of Bus, then that would require nintendo to have redirected SpyreX onto himself. But then, that doesn't explain the missing Vig Gift. So I came full circle back to thinking Hiraki shot at me on Night 1, but I was bussed with SpyreX. So either Amrun lied about being roleblocked, or Hiraki can shoot through being blocked, but can only shoot on odd nights.


But now that I think on it, if Hiraki could shoot through Roleblocks, why would he kill Amrun?


Night 1 is the biggest mystery still. Hence the conspiracy theorycraft. It's not really anything we can afford to concern ourselves with, because it will do more harm than good to try and guess through it, but I wanted to explain my thought process. Small town seems to play more on the logic game of figuring out the night actions processes, and that Night still eludes me.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah okay so that makes no sense at all. I didn't realize we had THREE kills. Jason shooting nintendo & scum killing someone... where'd that third kill come from?

Doesn't that CONFIRM the existence of a Serial Killer?

[jasonT1981]

Actually, im not going to self hammer. I'm town, it would not be helpful.

Reck or Toog... though I am interested as to why PereV doesn't have much to say, especially in this late stage.