Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[hiplop]

Town shouldn't have to try to look good. Thats what he is doing, hes not actually doing anything helpful. Its simply an illusion

[mastin2]

mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter,

Tomie Uzumaki

, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop

Two scum minimum, bookmark it.

Let me give you a hint. Bold is Better.

How 'bout a vote, Grey?

[mastin2]

somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy,

edmund.angles

Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE

There's one scum here, too.

Let me reiterate my hint.

[mastin2]

mastin making lists this early bugs me a bit.

But I have a gut read on over half of his townreads as town.

I know that it's Matin's Ego who's posting those lists. Why do you believe half of his townreads are correct?
Not liking the 'But'.

Third parties are considered town, since the only third party allowed in Normals is the SK, and standard Site Meta is for the SK to act as much like a vig as they can. IE, they try to lynch scum and vig scum. Hence, Honorary Townies.

Normally, I'd suggest MD for this stuff. This time it's different as I don't want you to make yourself look foolish where everyone can see ._.
A SK is not a vig for a reason.

Still disappointed~ To help you out, why do you think I'm voting you?

If Mastin is town, Muffin and Bowser should be looked at.

One other player has caught my attention. But he has to wait for a bit as it might not be anything~

^Be honest with me.

Do you see anything in here which looks like it's coming from the mindset of a pro-town player?

...No?

Yeah, me neither.

Tomie needs more rope.

(Also, it's possible that there's more than one. I think between the (6) on me, and the three (2) wagons, there's 2-3 scum, but likely not four, so one of the two effective six wagons contains two scum, the other contains one.)

[SomeRandomGuy]

Town shouldn't have to try to look good. Thats what he is doing, hes not actually doing anything helpful. Its simply an illusion

Personally, it looks like a null-read, although posting these lists (which are OBVIOUSLY just crap) has sparked discussion past that i've usually seen in RVS previously. If town players read them as anything more than what they are a few days in more fool them, if scum try to use it as anything more than what they are, more fool them too.

[mastin2]

Ah, I love those unfamiliar with my style of play...

[mastin2]

(For instance, SRG solidified my town-read.)

[edmund.angles]

Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser

@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?

@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?

[Uprising]

All right, so today was busy/I forgot the game had started.

I'm content with my vote for now.

Mastin's reads were early and accurate I feel though I'm not 100% sure of his reasoning.

Also, a question directed at anyone, how many scum tend to be in 21p mafia games?

[mastin2]

Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser

@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?

@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?

Not seeing the town in here.

Anyone care to shed a light onto any way this post was town?

I see nothing but scum in there.

Uprising, on the other hand, looks quite town.

[mastin2]

Also, a question directed at anyone, how many scum tend to be in 21p mafia games?

4-5, I calculated. 4 gets a little low (19%; still possible), 5 is 23%. 6 is theoretically possible (28%), but honestly, I wouldn't expect that unless it's multifaction with 3 each.

So, most likely, 5. Among which, is Tomie.

[zMuffinMan]

@hiplop,

Right. So... How would this possibly make him look good? Stop tiptoeing around the issue.

You said he looks bad because he's trying to look good. This is a self-contradiction which I'm asking you to explain. How could he possibly be trying to look good if it so obviously makes him look bad?

--

@edmund,

I think tomie is suggesting that our reactions to mastin looks like scum-on-town reactions, which is kind of stupid. Looks like pointless fence-sitting and possibly setting up lynches further down the line.

Derp, mastin is scummy but if he's town bowser and muffin need to be

looked at

. Glorious fence-sitting goodness.

But like, if you agreed with tomie about bowser.... why are you asking tomie about bowser?

[Tomie Uzumaki]

@Edmund
Both Bowser and Muffin made a scummy post. However, the way they interact with Mastin, I can't see them as possible scumbuddies.

@Muffin
With that said, next time, wait on the explanation. Because 1) this isn't fence-sitting as I call you scummy and 2) this isn't lining up lynches.
Get your definitions right~
Also, your thoughts on Mastin please ^.^

@Mastin
Stop the multi-posting. It's getting really annoying.
You also have my permission to answer my question~
And start opening your closed eyes. Edmund's post was a lot better than any '/confirm' post.

[Tomie Uzumaki]

This is what I meant yesterday >.<
Still disappointed, Mastin~

[mastin2]

Yup.

Still not seeing anything from Tomie which says anything other than "scum".

[zMuffinMan]

You didn't call me scummy, tomie, you said I need to be looked at if mastin is town.

I've already given my thoughts on mastin. You should know because you're calling it scummy.

[Maxous]

Do you see anything in here which looks like it's coming from the mindset of a pro-town player?

Yep

if scum try to use it as anything more than what they are, more fool them too.

A+

unvote

VOTE: Hiplop

[Tomie Uzumaki]

You didn't call me scummy, tomie, you said I need to be looked at if mastin is town.

I've already given my thoughts on mastin. You should know because you're calling it scummy.

Doesn't that say enough?
Thanks for confirming that. You questioning Uprising is very scummy.

@Mastin
Seems I was right. Your eyes are stitched closed.
Now go and answer my question.

[zMuffinMan]

My questioning uprising?

And no, it doesn't say enough. It's

very

open to interpretation what you meant by me needing to be looked at if mastin is town. You think mastin is scum, right? Considering you've already pointed at where your vote is and acknowledged you're voting for him over other candidates, I think this is a fair assumption. But, apparently, I only need to be "looked at" if mastin is town.

That's not calling me scummy. That's setting up a false dichotomy.

[Tomie Uzumaki]

I meant Hiplop >.<

Do you really think I'd suggest to look at a player I see as town if another specific player flips town this early?

[Bowser]

Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser

@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?

@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?

somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy,

edmund.angles

Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE

There's one scum here, too.

Let me reiterate my hint.

edmund just confirmed himself as scum. How nice.

[Tomie Uzumaki]

Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser

@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?

@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?

somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy,

edmund.angles

Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE

There's one scum here, too.

Let me reiterate my hint.

edmund just confirmed himself as scum. How nice.

Don't tell me this is the 'OMG, he switched his vote after a player called his previous vote scummy. OBV SCUMZAH!!!' 'scumtell' ._. If not, tell me what it is.

[zMuffinMan]

Do you really think I'd suggest to look at a player I see as town if another specific player flips town this early?

No, but it doesn't indicate you think I'm scum (or scummy). It just indicates you don't have a town read on me. It's a convenient way for you to fence sit on the issue without having to commit to a read.

This is what tomie-town should have said: I think muffin's post was scummy, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be scum with mastin.

This is what you said:

If

mastin is town, muffin needs to be

looked at

, which doesn't entirely indicate that you think anything I said is scummy (yeah, it somewhat hints at it, but you don't firmly take a stance), and doesn't indicate anything other than a dichotomy that I know is blatantly false.

[Tomie Uzumaki]

Aren't you even a little bit curious why I think you questioning Hiplop is scummy?

Since when do you know what I'd say as town and what I'd say as scum?
But aside that rhetorical question, what could there have been why I would see you as scum if Mastin is town, but not if Mastin is scum, besides you appearing scummy to me?

[zMuffinMan]

Aren't you even a little bit curious why I think you questioning Hiplop is scummy?

I don't particularly care. Anything you say about it is wrong.

what could there have been why I would see you as scum if Mastin is town, but not if Mastin is scum, besides you appearing scummy to me?

What did I say that is

only scummy if mastin is town

?

If I "appeared" scummy, I'd appear scummy independent of mastin, yes?