Mini 170 - Time Travel Mafia, Game Over!

Mgm · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:32 am

SapphireVerde wrote:we still got plenty of time left to decide to save Armix, so we could try to solve something else first. oh wait? is there still a deadline? if so, then we dont got time. then im all fro savin him if whoever wants to save him wants to risk it.

And what exactly is the risk involved? They'd be saving a confirmed townie and use only one unit of time fuel versus the 2 units they'd tomorrow. If he's to be saved, it should be as soon as possible to save as much time fuel as possible.

Crola · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:08 am

Axelrod wrote:
Crola wrote:Wait, we can buy Timefuel? You said do it now when time fuel costs less. Is this unique your role, is there something I missed, am I just not special?
It occurs to me (unfortunately, only now) that those who are "basic townie" roles don't know what Mgm, MOS, Electra and myself are talking about. The townie PM, already posted by math, doesn't explain how time fuel actually works. Therefore, I assume it is only those of us who got "time-traveling" roles who got the time-fuel explanation.

Since the mafia already know this I'll go ahead and explain it. Every day a person travels uses up a "unit" of time fuel. If you go back one day (or forward) it costs one unit. If you travel two days, like from day three back to day one, you use two units. Time-travelling roles have limited amounts of fuel (well mine does, and I assume everyone else's does, based on what math said.) That's why Mgm and myself said it would cost less to save Armix
now
, rather than later.

What this means is that several time-travelling players have just exposed themselves to the Mafia. The Mafia may not know what we can do, but we are definately going to be the targets. So, anyone else who can time-travel PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT IT. We don't need to tell the Mafia any more than they already know.

Does this mean I've inadvertently roleclaimed?
Okay, now that we know how timefuel works a little better, we know that it will be hard for the mafia to kill the Doc day 1.
The reason I bring this up, is because if the doc revives each night, the mafia would want to go back to day one and kill the doc, thus undoing all his protection. This would rekill everyone the doc saved.

But, with this new enlightment from Axe, we know that Mafia probably doesn't have enough fuel to go back in time to day one when it's much later in the game. THis is one advantage we have.

Mgm · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:47 am

I wonder if each mafia member has their own time fuel, or if they share their stash.

Dmi · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:50 am

Unvote Axelrod

I don't have much of an opinion on armlx being resurrected. I can see good arguments and some negatives for both sides.

Also, I won't have internet at home until the end of the month. My school blocks out mafiascum. This will allow me to only access the site on weekends in the library. If my absense is a problem, mod, please replace me if necessary. I think that replacing me in this game would be best, since we're only on Day One, I didn't participate much, I would probably not make the deadlines, and I'm sure plenty of people would like to replace in a time travel mafia.

Dmi · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:56 am

Mgm wrote:And what exactly is the risk involved? They'd be saving a confirmed townie and use only one unit of time fuel versus the 2 units they'd tomorrow. If he's to be saved, it should be as soon as possible to save as much time fuel as possible.

We could always save the guy who'll die this night.

mathcam · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:06 am

Okay, thanks for the heads up, Dmi. I appreciate it.

Effective immediately, Dragon Slayer is replacing Dmi.

Cam

Mgm · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:24 pm

Dmi wrote:
Mgm wrote:And what exactly is the risk involved? They'd be saving a confirmed townie and use only one unit of time fuel versus the 2 units they'd tomorrow. If he's to be saved, it should be as soon as possible to save as much time fuel as possible.
We could always save the guy who'll die this night.

Only if you know for certain who's going to die ahead of time, or am I missing something?

NanookTheWolf · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:39 am

I know that I haven't been the best contributor to this game, but I still am trying to figure out some of the mechanics of it .. We must not forget that we are on a deadline and we need to decide on a lynch like soon. I can't recall who has the most votes at the moment, but before something drastic happens we probably should decide on a lynch.

I'm all for Stevie hence the vote.

NanookTheWolf · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:42 am

Nanook wrote:I'm all for Stevie hence the vote.

Uh, yeah .. forget about this little sentence.

I guess this is what I get for signing up for two minis at a time.

The rest of the post still stands though.

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:58 am

Axelrod wrote:
Crola wrote:Wait, we can buy Timefuel? You said do it now when time fuel costs less. Is this unique your role, is there something I missed, am I just not special?
It occurs to me (unfortunately, only now) that those who are "basic townie" roles don't know what Mgm, MOS, Electra and myself are talking about. The townie PM, already posted by math, doesn't explain how time fuel actually works. Therefore, I assume it is only those of us who got "time-traveling" roles who got the time-fuel explanation.

Since the mafia already know this I'll go ahead and explain it. Every day a person travels uses up a "unit" of time fuel. If you go back one day (or forward) it costs one unit. If you travel two days, like from day three back to day one, you use two units. Time-travelling roles have limited amounts of fuel (well mine does, and I assume everyone else's does, based on what math said.) That's why Mgm and myself said it would cost less to save Armix
now
, rather than later.

What this means is that several time-travelling players have just exposed themselves to the Mafia. The Mafia may not know what we can do, but we are definately going to be the targets. So, anyone else who can time-travel PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT IT. We don't need to tell the Mafia any more than they already know.

How do you know that none of those people are basic townies? I, for example, could just be a townie that is making assumptions based on what my role pm says in addition to machanics from previous games and what others have said, etc. There's nothing that people have said that means they have more specialized time travel abilities...

Mgm wrote:I wonder if each mafia member has their own time fuel, or if they share their stash.

We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain

Also, I like the generic "catching up" post...very useful for copy pasting between games.

SapphireVerde · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:42 am

by risks i meant the loss of fuel, what if we need to save a major power role and we have no fuel left.

DarkLight140 · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:23 am

That brings us back to the issue of knowing that someone is, in fact, a major power role, rather than a mafia who spun an intricate web of deceptions and lies while they were alive, and are having their revival urged by their still-living scum buddies...

Crola · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:40 am

Do we know who's leading in votes? Votecount please.

MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain

Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?

mathcam · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:44 am

Current Official Vote Count:

Sapphire (3, Electra, Mgm, Crola)
Mgm (2, SapphireVerde, Fuldu)
Electra (1, MoS)
Tactix (1, Nanook)

Not Voting: Axelrod, DarkLight140, SubtleTactix, DragonSlayer

6 to lynch.

Cam

Mgm · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:59 am

Crola wrote:Do we know who's leading in votes? Votecount please.
MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain
Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?

Spelling all depends on where you live. You can spell the word doughnut in a number of ways all equally valid.

Crola · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:53 am

Mgm wrote:
Crola wrote:Do we know who's leading in votes? Votecount please.
MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain
Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?
Spelling all depends on where you live. You can spell the word doughnut in a number of ways all equally valid.

Yeah, after I posted, I looked up both forms of the word, and they are both correct.

Axelrod · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:52 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:How do you know that none of those people are basic townies? I, for example, could just be a townie that is making assumptions based on what my role pm says in addition to machanics from previous games and what others have said, etc. There's nothing that people have said that means they have more specialized time travel abilities...

Sorry, MOS. Re-reading your other post, it doesn't necessarily indicate a knowledge of time-travel fuel. I'm not trying to out you here. It's actually better if you are not a time-traveller.

I haven't voted yet. I don't have any strong suspicions. I do have a feeling that we should try to avoid "close" votes, however. Because the mafia might be able to later manipulate a lynch by time-travelling and killing one of the voters. Why are people voting for Sapphire?

DarkLight140 · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:14 pm

As demonstrated in the previous time travel mini, mafia can not only change the lynch by killing voters, but also by killing the person being voted for- then the person with the second most votes will be lynched. For that reason, we should only have

any

votes on someone other than our lynchee if we're willing to have them killed as well, and it would probably be best if we had none at all elsewhere.

NanookTheWolf · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:53 am

Well if this be true then our prime targets at deadline are MgM and Sapphire ...

Electra · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:49 am

Crola wrote:Do we know who's leading in votes? Votecount please.
MoS wrote:We could always ask them...I'll give donuts if any of the mafia would like to explain
Doughnuts is the correct spelling, and is this hinting at a cop claim?

I think it's hinting at a Mafia claim.

Nanook - What? O.o Mathcam did say that the deadline could be extended, and aren't SapphireVerde and MgM both essentially random bandwagons? Am I missing something? O.<

DarkLight140 · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:41 am

I, for one, would like to request a deadline extension. I don't think we've achieved "popular demand" yet, we're more than a little directionless, and the deadline is rapidly approaching. Unless you're willing to end the day with no more discussion and lynch one of the fairly random wagons now, please request also.

Fuldu · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:12 am

I think that's a fair point, DarkLight. My vote is still on an initial random bandwagon, I don't have enough information to justify moving it, and I'd rather I did (or to justify deliberately leaving it where it is) before the day ends.

Mod: Deadline extension.

Mgm · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:22 am

I don't think anyone is gonna be surprised, but I'd like to

request a deadline extension

as well. I don't really like to die because of a random bandwagon and I doubt Sapphire would either.

NanookTheWolf · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:34 am

Electra wrote:Nanook - What? O.o Mathcam did say that the deadline could be extended, and aren't SapphireVerde and MgM both essentially random bandwagons? Am I missing something? O.<

That is exactly my point. Mathcam did say that he could extend the deadline, but doesn't mean that he will. Plus the SapphireVerde and MgM bandwagons are random, and yet people still have their votes on them knowing that they most likely will be the ones to go come deadline time.

I'm going to

Unvote: Tactix

and

Request Extended Deadline

for the benefit of the town. Hope he extends it ...

Axelrod · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:04 am

I absolutely agree about the extension. Do I have to bold it?

Request Deadline Extension

Right now, it seems like we are floundering a bit, with some people not really discussing things at all. There are definately issues to talk about, like vote manipulation. I think the suggestion that we all vote the same person is interesting. Means that person is almost certainly never coming back, and if the mafia go back and time and kill them, no one else gets lynched. Is there a downside to this? The trick is getting everyone to agree, but why wouldn't a town agree, right?