Newbie 1136: DarthYoshi's Dystopia of Death (Fin--who won?!)

[SoulBlade]

Ghostlin: I think I have to agree with AeRyung here, she has good arguments against BKWN. Sometimes a scum wants to blend

too

much into the town by overly doing his role (blending into the town) by talking and saying the things similar to BKWN said.

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Vote: BKWN

[theamatuer]

unfortunately no, I cannot see anything suspicious. It might just be that I didn't read it throughly, but it is rather hard to analyze everything considering this is my 1st time here.
Also, BWKM does not have enough stuff posted to make a full analysis.
L-2 on BKWM, comments?

[DarthYoshi]

Day One, Vote Count the Third

BKWM (2): SoulBlade, theamatuer
AeRyung (1): BKWM
theamatuer (2): ConSpiracy, Ghostlin
Not Voting (4): paradox, Morthas, AeRyung, Ibarra

FTR, Ghostlin, I had to actually think about it to realize who you were voting for when I first saw your vote. Since you clarified it later, I'm counting it, but had you not, I would have asked for clarification. To my (admittedly warped and definitely uncaffeinated) mind, that was not an abbreviation that immediately made sense to me. Sorry for needing you to humor me on this one.

Prodding paradox.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, and 5 to no-lynch.

The deadline is currently set for: 12:00 noon, Pacific Daylight Time (GMT - 7), Saturday, August 13.

As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.

[paradox]

Hey Sorry, I am on a short family trip. My timezone remains the same.
I WILL be active.
I have read everything and found nothing suspicious.

[DarthYoshi]

Hey Sorry, I am on a short family trip. My timezone remains the same.
I WILL be active.
I have read everything and found nothing suspicious.

paradox,

if you feel so inclined, let me know (via PM if you wish) the dates of your trip so that I can count them as V/LA time and not against your 72-hour prod time. Feel free to let me know if/when circumstances like that arise in the future as well. Short absences within reason are fine and completely understandable, just let me know. Enjoy the trip. -DY

Additionally, to everyone:

Notification of a rules change:

After paradox replied, I realized checking my ruleset that I had forgotten to add a point under the activity section of declaring vacation/limited access. That is poor planning on my part, and I apologize to all of you and especially to paradox. I have inserted the following rule to the ruleset:

3. To declare V/LA status, simply post in bold the dates that you expect to be absent or have a limited presence in the game. This time will not count against you for prod deadlines. At the moderator's discretion, if the declared V/LA time is too long (typically more than a week IRL), or if V/LA time is taken too frequently (typically more than half of a gameday, i.e., 10-11 IRL days) the moderator may ask you to replace out.

[BKWM]

@Soulblade: if you want to look for people trying too hard to blend in, I would suggest people such as yourself or Morthas or paradox, who haven't posted enough for any sort of even semi-effective analysis. Although I will grant that it is too early in the game for that to be an effective argument, and that you have been posting, and that they have legitimate reasons for not posting. I am very actively scum-hunting, although granted, I am not too terribly good at it. Yet. That's what practice is for.

@theamatuer: you are at L-2 as well, good sir. So here is my opinion on you in hopes of hearing a satisfactory defense out of you: You seem to want to be dodging suspicion by pointing the finger at everyone else, and by attempting to get bandwagons going on everyone else, while at the same time, you are at L-2, and have not done

anything

other than barely acknowledge that you were voted for at all. If you weren't already at L-2, I would vote for you. As is,

IGMEOY, theamatuer

.

@AeRyung: I would side with Ghostlin in that you were being silly in not actually voting for me, but now I'm at L-2 anyway, so I would appreciate it if right now you used your vote elsewhere, so that we are ensured a full and in depth discussion on Day 1.

@Morthas&paradox: thoughts? even if you have no suspicions, you're opinions can only help us find the scum. when you get the time, paradox, no pressure. Enjoy your family time.

[BKWM]

EBWOP
UNVOTE: AeRyung
VOTE: Morthas for only having one post.

[theamatuer]

actually, I may have counted the votes wrong somehow. According to DarthYoshi, were both at L-3.
Also, if you want my defense, you should post out my flaws first

[Morthas]

To AeRyung: You could also vote the IC, but then everyone else would say that it is a scummy action and lynch you

Voting anyone can be seen as suspicious if you don't follow it up with reasoning.

Why is voting the IC a scummy thing to do. He is every bit as likely to be scum as anyone else, so it is actually Townie to apply pressure to him as well as anyone else.

Also UNVOTE: Paradox
VOTE: Goslin for being the most experienced, and therefore dangerous, potential scum. And also to prove the above point.

I fail to see the logic behind this, it's obviously not a serious vote (serious being, a vote with the intention to lynch) so it's a pressure vote right? The reasoning behind this pressure vote is because ''he's too good'' but my question is, if ''he's too good'' then it goes without saying he will see through your ruse so what does your vote accomplish? By pointing out you have no real reason to vote him you destroy any pressure that might have been applied to him.

a)

The entire point of RVS is using your vote to draw out more information. (To see how other people react to it, etc.)

If that's the case, shouldn't it be better to bring someone to L-1, see how they react then move to each other person in order?

b)Let's find that out.

Vote: Ghostlin

a) Don't say that unless you are questioned, it takes away your vote's potential to actually pressure someone
b)

I find it suspicious you put an IC L-1

Nevermind, i doublechecked >.>

Why are you trying to deter people from voting you by saying that you will post a lot. I find that suspicious.

Why aren't you replacing your RVS vote with a genuine one? I find THAT suspicious.

No, normally I post whenever I'm online and somebody else posts, so I do take a lot of the thread. That's in other forums of course.
And I got lynched in day 1 on other games as well, so I'm kind apprehensive about it.

Don't give up! Keep playing in your natural way, people will sooner or later understand.

Out of the things I've pointed out---the inclination towards self presevation is the MOST scummy, so I will:

Speaking from experience, how often than not can you say that scum has shown signs of self preservation over town (especially newbies).

@BKWM: I have stated in an earlier post that It was my very first game, and that is the truth. Knowing myself, if I was scum, I would probably never say something like that because the slightest dialog of reason would grab the attentions of the ones who are either experienced, or someone who would vote out of instinct(you).

Obvnewbtown.

@Morthas: *whispers* I feel so lost without you. Anyone remember this? (Balto, great movie.)

NO! Explain.

unvote.
vote: ConSpiracy
lets start the L-2

Atleast PRETEND it's a serious vote, you know, so it has some effectiveness. On another note, i am getting a gut feeling the amateur is town.

I will continue to get under your skin as much as I possibly can,

I like this quote. Very, very much.

Great discussion, I learnt a lot about voting and mafia games overall. Sorry I wasn't posting - I wasn't feeling well yesterday.

That's great, now that you are on the pc, start posting.

I'm trying to get an L-2 on him, which then hopefully we can pry an acceptable defense out of him, like I said earlier.

But, but, you didn't accuse him of anything.

I said I find you suspicious because of your elaborateless reasoning as to why you voted for the people you did. But then again, there isn't much to elaborate without a good amount of info. Though, your last post has increased my FoS on you. You are quite aggitated by my post of suspicion, I sensed an irritation in your writing. Here are some reasons why I suspect you. First, you lost your composure to my FoS. Second, you revealed your "plan" (Why?). Third, when you said "unless you are scum, in which case feel free to get so pissed you cant type straight." It sounds like an attempted provocation, or alternitavely, a way to get FoS off of yourself, desperately.

I can see that being truth.
VOTE: BMW


I was going to point out that explaining your plan makes it loose it's effectiveness but there have been enough people who have already did so.

@Soulblade: if you want to look for people trying too hard to blend in, I would suggest people such as yourself or Morthas or paradox, who haven't posted enough for any sort of even semi-effective analysis. Although I will grant that it is too early in the game for that to be an effective argument, and that you have been posting, and that they have legitimate reasons for not posting. I am very actively scum-hunting, although granted, I am not too terribly good at it. Yet. That's what practice is for.

Trying to deflect, are we?


You are L-2 now, BMW.

[Morthas]

Woo, i caught up.

[Ghostlin]

@Soulblade:

if you want to look for people trying too hard to blend in, I would suggest people such as yourself or Morthas or paradox, who haven't posted enough for any sort of even semi-effective analysis.

Although I will grant that it is too early in the game for that to be an effective argument, and that you have been posting, and that they have legitimate reasons for not posting. I am very actively scum-hunting, although granted, I am not too terribly good at it. Yet. That's what practice is for.

@theamatuer: you are at L-2 as well, good sir. So here is my opinion on you in hopes of hearing a satisfactory defense out of you: You seem to want to be dodging suspicion by pointing the finger at everyone else, and by attempting to get bandwagons going on everyone else, while at the same time, you are at L-2, and have not done

anything

other than barely acknowledge that you were voted for at all. If you weren't already at L-2, I would vote for you. As is,

IGMEOY, theamatuer

.

@AeRyung: I would side with Ghostlin in that you were being silly in not actually voting for me, but now I'm at L-2 anyway, so I would appreciate it if right now you used your vote elsewhere, so that we are ensured a full and in depth discussion on Day 1.

@Morthas&paradox: thoughts? even if you have no suspicions, you're opinions can only help us find the scum. when you get the time, paradox, no pressure. Enjoy your family time.

*cough* CONspiracy/Ibarra *cough* In fact, more people need to contribute in general; those of who ARE contributing are trying to scumhunt, for the most part.

If it was later in the day, would you freely use your vote to put TM at L-1?

actually, I may have counted the votes wrong somehow. According to DarthYoshi, were both at L-3.
Also, if you want my defense, you should post out my flaws first

Are you saying "What is your case so I can defend myself?"

BKWM is accusing you of trying to start and maintain different bandwagons in attempt to preserve yourself. (This is from my understanding of #80.) I'm accusing you of using the 'I don't want to be lynched Day 1' as an excuse to preserve yourself. We're both pointing out that this isn't town behavior--although BKWM, considering the bolded, is this in fact the pot calling the kettle black?

FoS: BKWM

[Morthas]

Since most people(Ahem, paradox) have posted sufficiently I am going to ask
Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).

[Morthas]

Hey Sorry, I am on a short family trip. My timezone remains the same.
I WILL be active.

I have read everything and found nothing suspicious.

Getting a feeling that this isn't something scum would say, especially for a newbie since the mentallity of a newbie would be more paranoid and stop him from saying '' i have nothing to say''.
Thoughts?

[Ibarra]

Mod: Please replace me. I can't seem to handle the pace of this game.

I forgot how the pace of the games here are faster compared to the ones I play at another forum.

[Morthas]

Sad. :[
I'll miss your avatar.

[theamatuer]

To morthas: don't rely on your gut feelings, or at the very least don't tell anybody that. Try to set facts to go along your suspicions, since that gives a greater amount of believability to them. At the very least, that makes it look less like a scumtell.
...Actually, I'm screwing myself over here, aren't I?
Also, I'm creating bandwagons to help others get defenses, since I myself do not find anything suspicious about anybody YET. I'll be more aggresive later, for now I'll help at bandwagons, even myself's later to get more evidence.
Of course, that is if self-voting does not cause being Slew-By-Darth's-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled)

[Morthas]

To morthas: don't rely on your gut feelings, or at the very least don't tell anybody that. Try to set facts to go along your suspicions, since that gives a greater amount of believability to them. At the very least, that makes it look less like a scumtell.
...Actually, I'm screwing myself over here, aren't I?
Also, I'm creating bandwagons to help others get defenses, since I myself do not find anything suspicious about anybody YET. I'll be more aggresive later, for now I'll help at bandwagons, even myself's later to get more evidence.
Of course, that is if self-voting does not cause being Slew-By-Darth's-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled)

Wut?
Give me a quote about so i know what you are talking about please :/

[Morthas]

Of course, that is if self-voting does not cause being Slew-By-Darth's-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled)

Self voting could be a useful tool as scum If you want the day to end before discussion develops and/or PR power planning ends you can end the day with a selfvote.
So no, selfvoting doesn't get you modkilled.

[theamatuer]

Actually, no. Selfvoting cannot help your goal, as you are supposed to play to your win condition. Unless you are a Jester, selfvoting cannot help you, as Mafia's goal is to stay alive, while towns goal is to lynch the mafia through discussion, and selfvoting stops the discussion early and prevents others from hearing more of what you say, which can help a lot even if you are lynched.
And.

The Slain-By-My-Sith-Dinosaur-Lightsaber (aka modkilled):
None, and let's keep it that way.

[Morthas]

For mafia, Self voting can be done with the motivation of achieving your win condition
Take what i said before and put it in a scenario with 2 Mafia, 1 of them is going to be lynched 100% and he is at the time at L-1. In that situation, self voting is a good idea.

[DarthYoshi]

Self voting is not a modkillable offense.

Initiating a search to replace Ibarra.

Prodding ConSpiracy.

I will have a fresh vote count up tomorrow. As ever, any questions or concerns, let me know!

[paradox]

Since most people(Ahem, paradox) have posted sufficiently I am going to ask
Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).

I´ve read everything, the only thing that

seems

slightly suspicious to me is BKWM

[Morthas]

Since most people(Ahem, paradox) have posted sufficiently I am going to ask
Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).

I´ve read everything, the only thing that

seems

slightly suspicious to me is BKWM

Why is he slightly suspicious? If it's because you agree with someone, why are their reasons more valid?

[Morthas]

EBWOP: Remove the ''more''

[paradox]

Since most people(Ahem, paradox) have posted sufficiently I am going to ask
Who do you think is our scum? (Gut feelings are good too, some stances would be great).

I´ve read everything, the only thing that

seems

slightly suspicious to me is BKWM

Why is he slightly suspicious? If it's because you agree with someone, why are their reasons more valid?

Reasoning without evidence is not as valid as Reasoning with evidence.