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Post Post #1719 (isolation #200) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:24 am

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In post 1661, Nautilius wrote:Meant to get this case in immediately after Soda fried Magua, but got distracted...

Vote: SodaSpirit17


This guy dies today, and he dies now. The largest thing that he has contributed to this game is his ISO #5, which is a few one-liners vaguely explaining a couple of suspicions he has. And call me a skeptic, but I seriously doubt someone this new to the game would be able to peg two scum upon replacing in (especially without taking scumhunting seriously) unless those scum were his partners. His belief that killing scum confirmed him as town (demonstrated by his immediate request to be let into the security room after killing Magua as well as the fact that the entirety of his defense is "but I killed Magua!").

Speaking of which, the Magua-Soda interaction absolutely REEKS of scum, note Soda's weak attempts at pressure on Magua in #817, #821, and #823, and Magua's subsequent responses. Magua at first ignores Soda, who pressed on, and is given a few canned responses that suggest Magua is trying to limit the interactions as much as possible. In Magua's ISO #42, he calls SodaSpirit a weak town read for his pushing of iamusername, which seems like an attempt to give a little towncred to Soda's bussing attempt, but not leaning his neck out far enough to link himself with him.

Also, his hesitation in throwing the switch was pretty damn strange: he adamantly attempt to save himself from having to pull the switch on Magua until he gets to this point...
In post 1441, SodaSpirit17 wrote:orrrrrrr maybe someone could move me to the electric chair, unlock the door to security and yea let me in there. I do realize what happened but it'll be good.

This is NOT a townie mindset. If town are reluctant to kill surefire scum, then they have a reason. In soda's postings, he keeps asking for a reason why as opposed to explaining himself why not. This suggests that he didn't even have a reason; he was just looking for ways to delay Magua's death. This makes much more sense coming from a mindset, especially if Magua was a strong strategist in-thread; I could see Soda being far more reluctant to kill a player who demonstrated his skill in the quicktopic already.

Finally, his most recent defense reeks so badly of survival intent that zoraster might as well publicly announce him scum now. He defends himself much in the same way he defended Magua before he threw the switch; every post is geared towards delaying and surviving just a little longer. He suggest we just "shoot him", even though none of us have even hinted at a vigilante power (but, with a Mafia Doctor flip, I'm sure there was talk of one in the quicktopic).

Zajnet, on the other hand, is probably town. Plum might be scum, but I'd rather get an obvious mafia member out of the way first.

This was goodpost.
Basically he spends most of his time interacting sketchily with scum, and was on both scum despite being pretty new.
I also think the remaining scumbags are primarily derpy or lurkers, and he has some of both.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #201) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:49 am

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VOTE: Amrun
Is also a good option.
I think I trust Regfan's reads most right now.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #202) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:53 am

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Scum have failed to submit some actions and things, so V/LA is actually kind of a scumtell in its own right atm.
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #203) » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:43 am

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Okay.
VOTE: Soda
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #204) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:41 am

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This game seems to kill people really fast... I doubt we're even ahead after scumlynch D1 & daykill D2.
Anyway I'd like some potion today.
We should restart the party to pull people away from the tipping point.

Things to do this round:
Regfan to move checker insured
TCL -> Monastery (so NS can start the party)
Me -> Monastery (begin journey to potion room)
Shut Nexus -> Rage door to keep the tunnel from getting abused.
Maybe move Naut to the chair insured just to make tipping point stuff :really: notgoingtohappen.

Alternatively just locking me in the panic room by shutting the door as a permabulletproof townie is also a good plan.
Seems fairly likely Plum is scum though.
Or maybe Naut is.
LLD -> Villa

VOTE: Nautilius
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #205) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:29 am

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Fate died in the SV. Does that mean scum were there at some point to kidnap & violate him?

In post 1749, Zajnet wrote:Can I be potioned up please?

Note that I'm not fishing and don't want them to claim if they haven't, but did Klazem's partner ever claim?

Klazam's partner hasn't claimed.
If we're potioning a second player today I think it should be Regfan.
Zajnet, if you want potions help us find + lynch a scumbag.

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Post Post #1752 (isolation #206) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:34 am

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BS would be very scummy if it weren't for "I have role info to help catch Fate" stuff.
I need somebody from the villa people to tell me who of all these "I have role info to talk about in the villa" people are actually town.
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #207) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:21 pm

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I don't have a lot of time tonight, but moves for today should be:
Put Regfan in the move checker, ideally insured.
Put Naut in the electric chair insured. (this is to prevent the tipping point's use).
Close the door between Nexus and Ragetorium (also insured for preventing tipping point).
Move LLD to the secluded Villa (she wanted this iirc)
Move TCL to the monastery (prepare starting a party; party room is nice & far from tipping point so we shall put lots of people there)
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Post Post #1772 (isolation #208) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:22 pm

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I'll submit something myself if needbe, though we want to preferentially deplete the chips of dubious characters.
So if you were on my dubious list, you get free towncred tidbits for helping make the moves! Whee!
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #209) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:19 pm

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Huh? It's not 10 EST yet.
I'd probably have moved LLD to the SV but otherwise I guess nothing was catastrophic.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #210) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:21 pm

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I'm going to pretend I didn't see the Zajnet move and just submit LLD to SV.
NS you can do TC -> Rage or TC -> Mon.
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #211) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:21 pm

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Ah since plum got here TC-> Rage is best.
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #212) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:22 pm

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Submitting:
#MOVE
Player to Move
: Lady Lambdadelta
Room to Move to
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Insurance?
: N
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #213) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:24 pm

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Yep
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #214) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:14 pm

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Great!
Now NS can start a party and Naut / Maru / Zaj can go there.

Closing the door to the panic room seems like a good idea.
Maybe Maru can use his power to open the security room and save some chits.

Regfan could you clarify plum obvscum?
If she's confirmed scum we can just quicklynch, I suppose.
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #215) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:11 pm

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So who moved Maru / Zajnet?
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #216) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:33 pm

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In post 1801, tclawren wrote:OR JUST USE THE PARTY ROOM

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Post Post #1804 (isolation #217) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:59 am

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MOVES FOR THIS ROUND:
Naut, Zajnet, Maru should move themselves to the party room.
Hito should probably come out of the SV; everybody who is going into the villa is really messing with my ability to get reads so I want him to tell me which of them are scum.
Maru should head to the ragetorium (ultimately I want him in the security room and he can free-open the door for himself).
Plum can shut me into the panic room, or we can start moving me toward the potion room.
I think I favor the latter assuming we can get people to be a bit more active and actually make moves that we want happen.
We can start Andrius on his way to the nexus.
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Post Post #1806 (isolation #218) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:05 am

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Maybe you can buy your way into the potion room with good scumhunting.
How about you thoroughly read a few people and give your insights into whether they're scum or not and why?
And if we really like what we see we'll potion you.
Fair?

Also we are going to want you to spend your chits to check whether that was actually a self-move at some point.
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Post Post #1808 (isolation #219) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:55 am

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In post 1807, Nautilius wrote:
Why is hito town? Is it all of the massive contributions he's been making lately? Or perhaps his simply amazing reads list? The brilliant strategy he was supposed to form in the villa?

...

Also, I think it's time to move people out of the SV now. We literally have had nothing from LLD so far, and now she's disappearing in there? Why is hito still in there? What have we gotten from ANY of the Secluded Villa people? Absolutely nothing.

Zajnet begging his ass off to go into potions is a bit odd, but is a little too blatant for me to call it coming from scum.


This post did the awesome echoes of things that have been bothering me thing.
Also the guy who was supposed to EZ read Hito for sure now happens to be dead.
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #220) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:04 am

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Andy, would you read Hito as town if he were an SK? 'cause Fate turning up in the villa may point to him or BS or some other villa person.
Also BS feels like obvscum off of her posting and her absence times compared to the scum action-failures BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HER VILLA STUFF WAS.
That whole situation is making it significantly more difficult for me to get reads, and only a small number of people are actually trying to find scum which makes it worse.
Hito needs to come out of the villa and give us SOMETHING USEFUL for all the time that's been spent on that stuff.

Zajnet, I want to see cases from you on your two top scumreads.
If you do a good job you can have a potion.

P. edit: I agree with Naut again.
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Post Post #1824 (isolation #221) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:27 am

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I don't want to move Zaj to potions unless he earns it with scumhunting.
But yes hito-> rage is goood.
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Post Post #1825 (isolation #222) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:27 am

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What do people think of Baby Spice? She sure looks like a scumbag to me.
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #223) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:27 pm

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Oh right. 30 minutes.
I'll go look up what has to happen.
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #224) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:30 pm

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Andrius moving Zajnet to the tipping point and now pushing for him to get a potion is :suspicious:
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #225) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:32 pm

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Zaj, are you still around? Please submit the Hito move if you are and tell us you did.
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Post Post #1836 (isolation #226) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:34 pm

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Okay that's good.
Now to decide whether to potion Zaj...
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #227) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:35 pm

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LLD probably also wants out of the villa, btw.
Not sure we have time for that though since we'd also have to clear a spot in the Ragetorium.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #228) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:39 pm

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Yeah, looks like she should be able to move herself.
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #229) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:40 pm

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Blah. Zajnet just isn't very town at all.
Zajnet why do you want a potion so much?
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #230) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:42 pm

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Yeah, I want to see some kind of effort to help find scum from Zajnet before he gets a potion.
He can sit in the tipping point this round I suppose.
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #231) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:43 pm

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LLD, if Zajnet should get a potion because of villa stuff, confirm-vote me.
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #232) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:44 pm

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Also I think you were only supposed to do each of unvote / vote / confirm vote once but oh well.
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #233) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:46 pm

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Andy why do you trust Zajnet? He's hardly done ANY scumhunting. But he did vote for scum D1 and declare scum needed to die D2. You don't just do that RANDOMLY.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #234) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:47 pm

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But yeah I think we have Zaj stay on tipping point today and figure stuff out after Hito reveals villa things.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #235) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:07 pm

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I also want to hear from Regfan about plum.
If she's confirmed scum I'd be happy to just off her and worry about moving stuff around tomorrow.
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #236) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:26 pm

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Point of Naut-> Party was making use of tipping point not plausible.
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #237) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:31 pm

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Having 2 claimed vigs means we can at least direct them.
I'm inclined to think BS is the scumbag.

Klazam was seriously town though...
I'll have to go check on old events.

What do you think of LLD and Andrius and Plum and whoever else has been in the villa?
Also what do you think of Fate showing up dead there?
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #238) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:22 pm

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In post 1860, hitogoroshi wrote:
Baby Spice has claimed a vigilante that requires spending five (!!!) chits in the Villa to find ammo, and if she shoots she can't shoot again for two more nights. On the one hand, that vastly contradicts with my role, and seems false. On the other, she had a townie-esque softclaim. Briefly thought about shooting but in the end it was decided to bring the matter to the thread instead.


I feel like a paralegal.
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #239) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:04 pm

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I feel like a scum vig would take way more effort to use than a town vig.
VOTE: Baby Spice
Role stuff was the only reason I :wasn't: voting her.
But now role stuff makes her scum. WHee!
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Post Post #1884 (isolation #240) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:06 pm

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Oh right we're directing kills and can leave her for later. Seems reasonable.
BS did you pick up a round / shoot yet?
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Post Post #1885 (isolation #241) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:08 pm

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VOTE: TC
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Post Post #1889 (isolation #242) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:40 am

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I want Maru in the security room by the end of today. I think that's pretty high priority.
He can open the door in there himself and we can shut it behind him.
SO:
Maru should self move to the party room.
And somebody should send him to Ragetorium uninsured.
Andrius & TC should self move to the party.
LLD should be moved to the Ragetorium or the party. LLD, please confirm vote TC if you are going to move yourself to the party.
Plum can shut the door to the panic room.

I think those are the main things that need to be happening today.
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Post Post #1891 (isolation #243) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:43 am

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Er I meant confirm vote because you only get one vote per day, but I assume that's what you meant. Sounds good.
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Post Post #1894 (isolation #244) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:50 pm

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Rage is full, so we'd have to get some of those folks to party, I think.
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #245) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:57 am

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HAHAHAHAHA HEHEHOOOOOOOOOO
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: Nobody Special
He's actually OBVSCUM.
I just hadn't read him in awhile.

Magua wanted to put him in security room, he being the scumbag people had townreads on.
He showed NO interest in iamausername until him getting lynched was a FOREGONE CONCLUSION, then was like OH MAN IAMSCUM LET'S CHAIR IT and placed vote number 8.
Look at the interactions with Magua. Just LOOK at them.
And he suggested, before it happened, that some kind of iam-moves-to-ragetorium self-hammer might happen.
I'M NOT CONFUSED AND LOOKING FOR SOMEONE GOOD TO SHEEP ANYMORE.
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #246) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:00 am

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In post 468, iamausername wrote:Right, I'm skimming all the boardgame shit for now, I'll save thinking about that for when I have more time,,
Just gonna focus on scumhunting for now,,

Nobody Special wrote:I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which. :oops:

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.


VOTE: Nobody Special

Seriously, try to justify this post, I dare you,,

I fucking hate not being able to finish my sentences properly, makes me look like CKD,, Really, I should probably just be releived that my laptop is still basically functional, but,,, It's annoying,,

Anyway, let's lynch Nobody Special,,

Just for fun we could get him to answer some questions first, I guess,,

1] Why were you happy to send Maruchan into Door Control if you found his volunteering "not precisely pro-town"?

2] You said: "Maruchan: Somehow, I think volunteering for that is not precisely pro-town. I can't really articulate why, though. Maybe I just don't like you enough yet."
Do you think you could possibly have added any more scummy weasel wording into this remark?

3] How long do you think you will be able to get by propogating vague anti-Fate sentiments instead of committing to a full frontal assault?

YES YES INDEED.
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #247) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:04 am

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NS TOTALLY IGNORED THAT IAM POST LIKE IT WAS ON FIRE. NO "WTF WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME" AT ALL.
AND THEN LATER OH YEAH THAT IAM GUY IS SCUM.
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #248) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:22 am

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He also totally ignored the Regfan-Magua battle.
His readslist after it includes neither Magua or Iam.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #249) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:59 pm

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In post 1916, Zajnet wrote:
In post 1914, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Marble, it's Tclaw and it's Zanjet. The post above near confirms it.


It's so depressing how little trust we can place on each other on the internet. I am being completely honest. I can't believe that I never dropped the NS is scum bomb.

This sounds like a serial killer claim.
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Post Post #1929 (isolation #250) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:53 pm

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Explains you being pretty useless this game and wanting potions and insisting your scumhunting is honest in a way that suggests it's honest :despite: your role.
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #251) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:06 am

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I'm having kind of a busy weekend and nobody else seems to be trying to organize stuff.
Things to do are have somebody from Rage go to party, send Maru toward the security room.
Plum locking me in here would be good too.
I'll read up later.

I do want to hear more responses to my NS case.
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #252) » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:50 pm

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Okay.
VOTE: Tclawren
I'm pretty much sheeping right now.
I'll get to NS later.
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #253) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:55 am

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@everyone in Ragetorium:
1 or 2 of you should move yourselves to the party room.
We also want:
Maru -> Rage insured
Maru -> chair uninsured
Door to panic room shut.

I doubt we get more done than that considering how little motivation people seem to be showing.

Also I hope somebody has a trackerguilty on TC or something because the fact that several people are talking like they do is the reason I'm voting him.
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #254) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:23 am

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In post 468, iamausername wrote:Right, I'm skimming all the boardgame shit for now, I'll save thinking about that for when I have more time,,
Just gonna focus on scumhunting for now,,

Nobody Special wrote:I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which. :oops:

I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.


VOTE: Nobody Special

Seriously, try to justify this post, I dare you,,

I fucking hate not being able to finish my sentences properly, makes me look like CKD,, Really, I should probably just be releived that my laptop is still basically functional, but,,, It's annoying,,

Anyway, let's lynch Nobody Special,,

Just for fun we could get him to answer some questions first, I guess,,

1] Why were you happy to send Maruchan into Door Control if you found his volunteering "not precisely pro-town"?

2] You said: "Maruchan: Somehow, I think volunteering for that is not precisely pro-town. I can't really articulate why, though. Maybe I just don't like you enough yet."
Do you think you could possibly have added any more scummy weasel wording into this remark?

3] How long do you think you will be able to get by propogating vague anti-Fate sentiments instead of committing to a full frontal assault?


This post is just SUCH a bus though.
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Post Post #1955 (isolation #255) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:29 am

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In post 1912, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 1908, Llamarble wrote:
And he suggested, before it happened, that some kind of iam-moves-to-ragetorium self-hammer might happen.


Surely this is a town tell for him, not a scum tell?

He was clearly aware of the idea and thought it was a good one for scum.
Scum proceeded to execute that idea.
If you're arguing he wouldn't have said anything as scum, I've definitely revealed setup-specific strategic ideas for scum when scum.
Example: in White Flag Mafia I mentioned that scum might try a whiteflag gambit to get their pairing eliminated, got ignored, and then our team did it and won because of it.

LLD is a good player but has been alarmingly cryptic / quiet after we kinda dismissed her as town.
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Post Post #1956 (isolation #256) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:51 am

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I especially don't like that all the people on the lynch menu are simply people who are not as good at avoiding getting lynched as LLD/Me/Regfan/Andrius/Hito/Naut
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Post Post #1957 (isolation #257) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:10 am

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Yes. LLD and NS both require MUCH more attention than they have gotten.
LLD has been very useless-lurky-tunnelly on TClaw.
The ONLY reason I would think she is town is role-stuff, and I want to hear from Hito what he thinks about that.
She did the "I think X is town" other person: WUT WHY YOU THINK I TOWN "See now you're more town thing"
I have seen that happen 3 times and ALL 3 times was from scum.
And her approach to Iam was FLAT OUT SCUMBAGGULAR.

If TC flips town I may want both her and NS vigged.
I may want one of them dead right today, actually.

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Post Post #1958 (isolation #258) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:13 am

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I think the top SK candidates are Zaj and Hito.
Hito can't really be mafia with that much shooting power.
Hito, how bad is it for town to just have LLD claim if she's town?
I am suspicious and not having the full story about people is making it difficult to scumhunt properly.
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #259) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:13 am

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VOTE: Nobody Special
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #260) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:33 pm

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I really like 1964 and really don't like 1966.
Yes scum SKhunt sometimes. But he did role speculation that makes sense and is also looking for regular scum.
Also I'm not sure either of Hito/Baby are an SK; Baby could be a difficult to use additional mafia kill.

In post 1963, Regfan wrote:LLD has been slipping under the radar but the fact that her reads are identical to mine continue the town-read I have on her. If Tclwaren flips town that may change but at this point I don't see that being that likely. At the end of yesterday Tclwaren stated he was perfectly content and happy with a Zajnet lynch, today he has stated suspicion of five different people (Hito, Baby, Naut, LLD, Plum) none of them being Zajnet and none of them with a case or anything attached to it.


I'm pretty sure schizophrenia is a towntell. It's just very hard for scum to mimic the process of changing ones mind while figuring out the game.
It's not as if Zajnet suddenly became an unlynchable unappetizing target today or anything.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #261) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:44 pm

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Also what about Magua-NS makes them unlikely buddies??
Magua doesn't even mention him till he's dead in the water and in wifom mode.
NS says almost nothing about Magua.

But I feel more inspired about this one anyway:
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

Also we should move Maru
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #262) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:42 pm

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LLD has said an unbelievably minimal amount about TCL considering the degree to which she has been tunneled on him.
She mentions suspicion of Amrun with delayed vote, lurking, and a dash of SK spec.
Town do all of those things.

LLD's stated things about TCL that bother her do not explain her attitude toward TCL.
--> LLD's attitude toward TCL is not the result of things that bothered her about TCL.
--> LLDscum.

Throw in general lack of engagement / pushiness / scumsmashing and I see LLD's scumgame.
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #263) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:50 pm

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Like if there were ever 3 town players scum thought they could get lynched, it would be Plum, TC, Zaj. (LLD's scumreads)
Zaj gets lynched in like practically every one of his games.
I need Hitoadvice on this because he just plain has info I lack.
But LLD changes her opinions on like 1 person ever.
And she says of magua he could be scum and then totally ignores him / applies no pressure.
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #264) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:06 pm

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If you want to be listened to, give reasons beyond "iz being hesitant with vote and lurky."
I'm not asking for mastinating, just the things that caused you to feel the way you do.
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #265) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:36 pm

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I don't mind being hit upside the head.
Let's see HURRICANE LAMBDA.
What do you think of NS, by the way?
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #266) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:45 pm

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Also Nautilius sure did drive a townlynch and then evaporate.
And doesn't want to lynch TCL. So maybe that's where the evil kittens are hiding.
Naut, what happened to that commentary on BS vs Hito?
Also where'd BS go...
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #267) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:53 pm

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While I'm awake I'm submitting Maru -> Rage insured.
Somebody else send him to the chair uninsured so he can do his door-open thing and we can put him in the watcher-room.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #268) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:55 pm

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#MOVE
Player to Move:
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Room to Move to:
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #269) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:39 am

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There's something AtEish in the "I'mma act like angry town" thing.
Doesn't seem ingenuine though.
I do look forward to your demonstration of why TCL is scum.

Somebody submit Maru -> chair. uninsured
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #270) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:49 am

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... Baby Spice???

BS why didn't you push harder to go to the villa early D1?
I like the word "Preposterpus"
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #271) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:51 am

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Also Plum looks like we need you to open the security room door (uninsured) if you still have chits enough.
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #272) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:26 pm

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I don't think scum avoid RAWRAGEING because it really is an effective way to get people to run away and go lynch something else.

I'm looking at your TC stuff right now.
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #273) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:52 pm

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VOTE: Tclawren
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Post Post #2023 (isolation #274) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:13 pm

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Huh, that misspeak was a bit sketchy.
Well Mr. Andy, why not vote accordingly?

Pretty much all that's left to do today is ship Maruchan to the security room, maybe shut the door behind him, and then lynch.
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #275) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:49 pm

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LLD's case was decent, though it did have a lot of unconvincing "he's lurking / posting strategy stuff / unprecedented-voting."
But "Iam will probably be the lynch today I think he's scummy" was indeed sketchmode.
And he didn't try very hard at all to get Amrun or any of his other scumreads lynched.

I primarily work off of "Is X trying to find scum / trying to get their scumreads lynched."
I don't see all that much of either from TC.
LLD wasn't really until recently either though.
The Rage -> scumhunt thing is the absolute clearest way to show townness and the rage part was pretty good but the case did feel like it could've been fabricated.

Blargh.
I don't feel like I have this figured out enough to lead town today and I didn't feel like that yesterday after Magua, but it doesn't feel like anyone else does either.
I do want everyone to read NS though. I really thought I found something there.

Also when it's hard to find scum I start getting more suspicious of goodscum like LLD or Naut.
I think the odds are pretty decent one of those two is evil.
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #276) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:09 pm

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Yeah, when I read TC alongside your case & then again on his own I thought he was scum, which is why I voted him.
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #277) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:34 pm

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Meanwhile Plum is LURKING HER ASS OFF and Naut has been pretty in-the-shadows since pushing Sodalynch.

Maybe we don't off our vigs and instead just have them exterminate everybody except me Regfan Maruchan + whoever claims mason and maybe Andrius.
I could see us having enough kills to make that happen.
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #278) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:08 pm

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I think Zaj is town and am willing to Potion him at this point.
Somebody do that please.
And somebody else do the Maru to security room move.

I think scum are in Naut / NS / TC / Plum / LLD + maybe one of baby/hito.
I'm guessing 3 mafia + a WEIRD 3rd party remain. That's really a lot compared to how many townies are dead...
I guess I felt ahead because we lynched/chaired 2/3 but missing 2 vigshots and having a 3rd party means we're inaccurate enough to be way behind.

The SHEER BADNESS of that Klazam shot still offends me.
And is almost unbelievable from town. I just find it difficult to believe Hitoscum would claim vig.
We really need him to be town to have much hope of winning though anyway.

UNVOTE: TClawren


CLAIMED (initial) TOWN POWER:
cop that lasts until 2deadscum (me)
Masons
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extravig???
Backup
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This is 8!
8 is a lot. Especially with potions room and electric chair giving town a BONUS DAYVIG and a roomwatcher and a bulletproof, not to mention the war room campfire and potions room.
And MANY OF THEM ARE QUITE POWERFUL.
So basicaly something in there is scum.
No way LLD, Hito, and Babyspice are all town.
I'd say it's in fact very likely 2 of BS / Andy / Hito / LLD are scum.
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #279) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:28 pm

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I think I want to lynch Baby Spice actually
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Post Post #2035 (isolation #280) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:33 pm

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ALSO WHAT MADE FATE DIE SOONER THAN PROMISED???
I am going to try to puzzle the mechanics of this game out after massclaim.
In post 1880, Baby Spice wrote:Naut, I haven't had the time to fully think about it yet.

I have a gun but no ammo. I can spend 5 chits in the villa to find a round and then take a shot at night. Then I have to wait two days before I can shoot again. The example given was N2 then N5. (notice thebsimilarity to what Fate said)


REGFAN WHY IS SHE TOWN??
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #281) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:37 pm

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I believe BS is mafia scum with the power she has claimed or something like it.
SHE HAS LIKE THE WORST INTERACTIONS OF ALL TIME WITH MAGUA / IAM
AND SHE HAS DONE NOTHING TO FIND SCUM OR BE EVEN VAGUELY TOWN.
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #282) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:43 pm

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NAUTILIUS IS ALSO SUPER SUPER SCUMBAG.
WHICH MEANS LLD PUSHING ON TC IS VERY UNLIKELY TO BE TOWN UNLESS TC IS SCUM.

TOWN:
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ZAJNET
PLUM?
ANDRIUS??
TC????

SCUM:
LLD?
NAUTILIUS
BABY SPICE

GAH WHY ARE THERE ONLY 1ISH DAYS LEFT
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #283) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:49 pm

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So, unless Regfan has a really good reason for thinking BS is town, here's what I want from the rest of today:
Maru -> Security room
Zajnet -> Potions room
Babyspice -> Noose
Nautilius -> Killed

VOTE: Baby Spice
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #284) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:33 pm

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I lean 5 scum just because of the inordinate amount of town power.
Multiple Personality mafia was a bit similar (20 players, high powered town, 5 mafia).

And if Hito is the third party then do you think he gets to vig And kidnap? How would that work?

BS has claimed stuff that makes a lot more sense as the third party.
And yes I do think she didn't totally make up her role and thus softclaimed it, but that doesn't mean it's a town role.
It's not a role that would be easy to make use of without at least doing SOME softclaiming.
Also the whole "will die in X days" thing that she mentioned was part of her own role ALSO didn't actually end up happening.
Fate got abducted N1, then BS visited the Villa D2 and Fate turned up dead after N2.
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #285) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:38 pm

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Honestly I'm not even confident that there's a third party at all.
Hito town Vig, BS Mafia Kidnapper, 5 pretty powerful mafia vs 15 pretty powerful town is pretty sensible.
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #286) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:07 pm

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Do you just mean the "all town and all third parties" line in the wincon?
Mreh.
My role mentioned I didn't know what would happen when I investigate third parties.
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #287) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:22 am

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In post 2046, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Marble, in what universe am I on a scumteam with Nautilus and BS?


Is there any particular reason why not?
It's possible I was 3am-derping when thinking about things last night.
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #288) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:54 pm

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Asking why you're town isn't cause for no-potions.
Revisiting old assumptions is healthy for town.
I want Zajnet moved to the potion room.
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #289) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:22 am

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Regfan, if BS is town, who of the PRs is scum? Hito? LLD?
If the kidnapper is the SK, then Hito is town.
Considering Fate specifically called the kidnapper a third party, and the kidnapper asked Fate if he was scum, I lean that way.
Making BS probably some flavor of scum.
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #290) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:24 am

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Like she claimed the CLUNKIEST role ever.
A vig that costs lots of chits in a specific room to fire once every three nights?
Seriously?
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #291) » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:50 am

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Hito killing every night rules out him being mafia (2 mafiakills a night? Nuh uh). It also rules out him being the kidnapper.
Hito claiming his role makes him not a regular SK (claiming draws bullets and guarantees a lynch if 5 mafia are gone).
I think he's town.

BS has claimed a DRASTICALLY BIZARRE role for town.
I believe she has to spend a lot of chits in the villa because of the softclaimy stuff.
But I don't think she has town purposes.

Anyway, this lynch is by no means bad.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #292) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:23 am

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I think we lynch today, unless anyone wants to get something fancy done.
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #293) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:18 am

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Yeah, Zaj 'moving himself to the campfire because he felt like it' and then getting moved to the tipping point and then begging for potions is hella sketchy.
Derpy VTs aren't supposed to have sneaky agendas.
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #294) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:18 am

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I think we lynch TC before deadline today.
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #295) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:58 am

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I think it depends on TC's flip.
If he's scum we have a lot more wiggle room.
If he's town maybe you shoot LLD, though you're the only one who knows her claim.

I don't see how BS can possibly be town, but Reg seems pretty adamant about that.
I am half assuming he has role related reasons; otherwise I don't see how he can think she's town.

I am pretty confident you're not mafia though, and I think if you're an SK you probably want to shoot mafia.
So I don't feel bad leaving it up to you.
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #296) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:59 am

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I really want to just say Reg is crazy shoot BS though.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #297) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:37 am

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Well now I want you in important places like the potion room ASAP and we should put you in a room with Regfan so we can watch if anyone enters it.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #298) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:38 am

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PLAN:
Regfan, NS, Hito go to party.
Ship everyone else out.

Maruchan watches the party room.
All the people we want to keep alive live.
WHEEEEE
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #299) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:40 am

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Also I now need to revisit Regfan cause I was assuming forever that he was the mason.
Maybe he bussed Magua.
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #300) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:55 am

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I don't know if we can organize it, but I feel like scum would kill in that group and it would be good to prevent them, don't you?

Easier to organize would be Reg & NS to the Monastery.
Scum can screw things up with their bonus move though.
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #301) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:57 am

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I think we just go ahead with the lynch today.
There's still a good chance Maru can create a SCUM IS ONE OF THESE 3 type situation by watching the room where the kill happens.
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Post Post #2103 (isolation #302) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:07 pm

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I'm on the votecount already.
We need another vote before the deadline.
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #303) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:07 pm

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Eh, maru dying is better than NS dying.
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #304) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:32 pm

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Hito, don't shoot Zajnet.
I keep getting townvibes from him.
If TC's town, I'd say shoot LLD or Naut or BS
If scum, Naut or BS.
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #305) » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:44 pm

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If Plum shows up, we do want her to submit the door close, yes, but I'm curious why it didn't happen last round.
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #306) » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:41 am

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Lynch should have have happened before moves went through.
I guess I didn't make that clear enough?
We can't get Maru back there because the mafia move has higher priority than anything else.
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Post Post #2122 (isolation #307) » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:24 am

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Maru, scum can just submit a no-move.
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #308) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:42 am

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Looks like everyone has claimed at this point.
LLD and BS being scum would make the power work out about right.
I was actually planning on running a game with an action accumulating SK should I ever decide to mod. Heh.

Lets put NS in either the potion room or locked into the security room today.
Actually leaving Naut and NS right where they are guarantees NS safety because action resolution order prioritizes same-room stuff.

VOTE: Baby Spice

Not sure who the other one is, but this seems like a pretty safe bet.
Still need to do my Regfan reread.
Reg, can you claim your movechecker results?
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #309) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:09 am

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Zajnet just proposed something like the only way team Zajnet-BS fails to lose.

I do agree we have a lot of claimed power.

Masons
Limited cop
Vig
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May be okay though.
Especially if there were 5 mafia to start.

I'm pretty sure BS is scum regardless though, and she should be our lynch today.
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Post Post #2189 (isolation #310) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:05 am

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Fair enough Reg.
I think Andrius could conceivably be a mafia tunnel digger / finder.
If BS is mafia that can gain extra nightkills then that might get closer to making sense out of 4 mafia against that array of town power.
The dead scum were both respectable power roles as well.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #311) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:34 am

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We have a few rounds right now.
Let's move Hito to the door control.
We can put Maru, Naut, and NS in a locked party room, and everyone else outside.
Actually Andy can also go there and check it for a tunnel.

If somebody outside the party room dies, a scum is outside.
If someone inside dies, a scum is inside.
Unless scum had 2 maguaish powers.
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Post Post #2235 (isolation #312) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:55 am

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Naut is pretty much 1v1 with Andrius now barring RegfanRoleblocker, right?
Also do we think this is mylo or no?
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #313) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:56 am

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No voting yet please; I'm concerned about the ragetorium.
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Post Post #2246 (isolation #314) » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:09 pm

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In post 2244, Nautilius wrote:I'm off from school next week so hold off on stuff until then
next week = tomorrow
and the rest of the week

-Elli

Why no claim of protection?
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Post Post #2260 (isolation #315) » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:52 am

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So you protected Regfan instead of the claimed mason who died???
I find that error kind of hard to believe from Nauttown.
I'll reread later though.
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #316) » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:44 am

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Regfan, it's not 1v1. I was assuming it was a 1v1 because the person I assumed Naut would have protected died, which would mean either lying-Naut or scum getting to NS first. But that doesn't work anyway since protection has higher priority than killing.

Naut, considering the claimed mason died and claiming a protect on him would get you lynched, I think there's plenty of scummotive to claim targeting Regfan.
Also plenty of townmotive to have protected NSmason last night.
How do you not even check who is confirmed town before using your protect action?

Biggest thing I don't get is why scum didn't kill Hito though.
Maybe they thought we'd lynch him or something, but that's an extra lynch we get and a kill Naut would be unlikely to interfere with.
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #317) » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:46 am

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I'm going to reread Regfan Maru Andy and Nautilius tonight.
Not having votes until then would be appreciated.

Oh also I'm the one who sent Hito to the SV.
I wanted him to reload and wanted to catch any attempt to QH in the Ragetorium.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #318) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:00 am

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Nice.
I don't see anything else we can do today being too important; it might be worth watcherizing Maru but Hito's probably reloaded and I feel good about just going ahead.
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Post Post #2304 (isolation #319) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:01 am

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That makes L - 1 I think.
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Post Post #2306 (isolation #320) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:15 am

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I believe him too, but I did want to make sure we weren't leaving too much important stuff undone just in case.
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Post Post #2340 (isolation #321) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:31 pm

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I thought this game was pretty great.
It was hard to organize people to use the potion room or the security room after D2, but that was definitely at least partially my fault.
D1 and D2 enough people were around to make things happen though.
Coordination was really important for both teams, and interesting strategic stuff happened, so I was very happy with the setup overall and would play a similar game.

Having a lot of information floating around in the QT people was a little bit frustrating, but not painfully so and did add interesting depth.

I was planning on going to the Security Room and locking somebody into the chair with me so I could get an un-lawyered cop result on them, but Magua moving me to the campfire messed that up and almost made me claim D1. I was concerned scum would get a PR read from my non-eagerness to go to the potion room.

I'm surprised the masons didn't consider trying to use confirmedness to get potioned at all, though considering the actual potions that was probably for the good.
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Post Post #2345 (isolation #322) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:04 pm

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By the way, I claimed immediately D2 because I thought I could get something cool from the potion room (maybe even a reload of my cop ability).
I also was not at all interested in Magua's getting to use any power N2 or chits D3.
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Post Post #2348 (isolation #323) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:03 pm

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Eh, it would have been distracting having you alive and all sorts of stuff could go wrong, like me getting killed or roleblocked or you causing havoc with unknown powers / ragetorium votes / undesirable moves / helping scum coordinate. Also seeing precisely what you flipped was useful; it helped us figure out how killing through doors worked.

And had you flipped SK I'd have kept my power anyway and it would save a kill.
And I overestimated how good potion powers might be.

Overall it was a whole bunch of little things vs getting to use the cop power again.
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Post Post #2359 (isolation #324) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:47 pm

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Huh, I almost got policy vigged N1? Yikes.
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #325) » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:50 pm

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Hito you and I could somehow become angry at each other and then join the fun.
Maybe you could give me your address and I could hire somebody to egg it?

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