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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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I think just dropping the BG makes it balanced ish?
Both cop 9er and vig 9er are playable, and having the RB should be a significant boost for scum in a micro.
I don't know that it's compelling play wise, but it's probably workable.
The issue is that evens just lends itself better to gimmick setups (Nightless/Nightstart/Lovers) and/or setups with guaranteed extra kills, and guaranteed extra kills is a rough thing to deal with in micro setup design.This is a Parachute.-
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sounds good for a basic 8 player setupIn post 1275, Jingle wrote: I think just dropping the BG makes it balanced ish?
Both cop 9er and vig 9er are playable, and having the RB should be a significant boost for scum in a micro.
I don't know that it's compelling play wise, but it's probably workable.
The issue is that evens just lends itself better to gimmick setups (Nightless/Nightstart/Lovers) and/or setups with guaranteed extra kills, and guaranteed extra kills is a rough thing to deal with in micro setup design.
though yeah idk if it will be fun, but I want an 8 player setup that is newbie-friendlytime will end-
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Are they? I think in Cop 9er the Cop gets an n0 check and I think Vig 10er is statistically very balancedIn post 1275, Jingle wrote: Both cop 9er and vig 9er are playable-
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Cop 9er with a mafia safe claim has an observed win rate of 43% in matrix 6. Regular cop 9er is strictly better for town.
I don’t have data available on vig 9er, given that it’s not a particularly popular setup, but I remember it being considered balanced in ye olden days. Also the difference between vig 9 and vig 10 is very small, from an ev standpoint (both are presumed scumwin after two bad cycles). If you have conflicting stats I’d be happy to see them to make a more informed judgment."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Would someone be willing to review this? I'm planning to run it in the Large Theme queue in a month or two.-
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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First impression is probably balanced but grindy. I’ll take a closer look when time allowsThis is a Parachute.-
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maybe to speed up the game i could give the co-leader some vig shots and remove the parity cop-
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i'm gonna run this when my current large endsIn post 1280, T3 wrote:
Would someone be willing to review this? I'm planning to run it in the Large Theme queue in a month or two.-
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That’s a palace game kindaIn post 1280, T3 wrote:
Would someone be willing to review this? I'm planning to run it in the Large Theme queue in a month or two.<Embrace The Void>
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?In post 1284, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That’s a palace game kindaIn post 1280, T3 wrote:
Would someone be willing to review this? I'm planning to run it in the Large Theme queue in a month or two.-
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Assassins in the palace. It’s an archetype with a king whose death loses town the game and scum with venge shots. There’s a few variations. Generally it suffers from it being vastly better for town to discuss nothing.
I think yours is more similar to Avalon with the extra roles, fwiw."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Jester
Cop
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Odd Night Mafia Goon
Odd Night Mafia Blocker
Even Night SK
What do you all think? I call the setup "Christmas Tree" it's supposed to be a Christmas theme game.
Jester can be replaced with Survivor, Executioner.
Cop can be replaced with Doc. Vigilante if you're feeling dangerous.-
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would you want to be town in that game@thesupertriomusical on Instagram, come see it if you’re in LA area, I wrote it!-
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It's probably acceptable as a meme game with blitz deadlines and a vig. The cop is basically irrelevant and mafia have literally no need to have a blocker here."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I mean... there's precedent for that, though. No one signs up for Jester Nightless hoping to be town, but Jester Nightless is still an enjoyable game for the majority of people who play it.In post 1288, BBmolla wrote: would you want to be town in that game"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Bulletproof Jester
Empowered Vigilante
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Odd Night Mafia Goon
Odd Night Mafia Goon
Even Night SK
how bout this. It is kinda boring for most town-
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BBmolla Open Book
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day 1
9 players alive
eliminate 1 town
8 players alive
2 players die, both town
day 2: 6 alive, 2 of them town
not a super fun game for anyone except the scum@thesupertriomusical on Instagram, come see it if you’re in LA area, I wrote it!-
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Sometimes a struggle is goodIn post 1292, BBmolla wrote: day 1
9 players alive
eliminate 1 town
8 players alive
2 players die, both town
day 2: 6 alive, 2 of them town
not a super fun game for anyone except the scum-
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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I think bb is referring to the fact that it’s almost guaranteed town loss there.
If I were to take a crack at it in what I think is your desired play style:
1 game ending jester
1 Vig
4 vt
2 Novice goons
1 1 shot bp novice SK
Town has two days to be relevant, jester can’t be too scummy or they get shot, neither mafia nor SK can lose without being elimmed on n1.
It’s a very swingy game, but there’s less chance of a faction being forced to play an unwinnable game and there’s still massive potential for cross kills. Probably a 2-3 day meme game regardless of actions.This is a Parachute.-
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probably needs tweaks for balance and stuff but i like this concept, and was wondering how fun/unfun others would find this mechanic
tweaks i'm considering and would like some input on:
- guns and bombs could be disabled in elo maybe?
- maybe make the present a two-shot thing? idk
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i'm not entirely sure on this one!
i think it might end up being to town's advantage to play saint nick as deep as possible, no lim by default, and then force the gifted kid to open presents or be eliminated
scum generally shouldn't want to open presents since they don't have the numbers in case it's a bomb, town wants to open presents except in ELO and will probably get more accurate at vig shots as the game continues
seeing as you can guarantee vig shots to town leaders their shot accuracyshouldbe better than a hypothetical rolled 1-shot dayvig?
so it's likely that town just wins if they can vend a bomb to or dayvig a scumYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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Fundamentally no difference in the amount of kills that'll happen going all Gun vs all Bomb other than you can accidentally give a Gun to scum so what's probably gonna happen is everyone gets bombs and if you don't open your present it's a scumclaim which is basically no different than just having Nick be a Publishing Loyal VigilantePlural | Nameless (They/He) and Alice (She/Her) and C (They/Them) and more-
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Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
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There is additional utility in dayvig in that a dayvig on scum functionally conftown the shooter.This is a Parachute.-
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Skygazer anyFor My Next Guestany
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what if i removed the announcement of the recipient? so only the recipient and OSN (ole saint nick) know? would open up more interesting claiming situations and make the game slightly harder for town
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