I find myself as scum I have a hard time creating cases on people I want to lynch. But at the same time I have no problem coming up with a natural case on my scumbuddies if I need to bus them. It's hard to as Palmar said himself, to "force yourself to be wrong".
In post 1322, Palmar wrote:Fuck it I've made up my mind.
Beck is probably town, for one he tried to get Johman replaced on day 1, and he has also been a bit clueless townielike throughout the game
Weirdbeard claimed a role that makes no sense for him to claim as scum, it kinda fits, but would also mean RBD didn't shoot anyone n2? That's weird, but assuming bvoigt isn't scum either and thus cleared by wb's claim.
This leaves Scumhunter and Draken
Scumhunter has been pretty useless throughout the game, he's thrown around a few bad reads, and he really pushed the idea johman and 2b1s couldn't be scum together... strange. But he also suggested Johman gets vigged.
Draken is another strange one, very hard to read, but he did on multiple occasions try to get 2b1s lynched. I need to read better over all their posts to figure it out.
This is the closest Palmar has ever come to explaining reads on Beck and me. Now compare that with the deep analytical scumtells he caught on to about 2b1s and Draken in the early game. They are so immensely different. One is a valid case on a scumlord, the other is a shallow appeal to lead town based on previous town cred. He can't come up with a case, because there is none and he knows it. He's having a hard time forcing himself to be wrong.
In post 1342, Palmar wrote:I'm inclined to agree with Scumhunter, mostly because I'm not sure how much of a risk-taker he is, but generally advocating a vigilante shot on a teammate is a bad strategy as mafia. And when it's done, it's usually done in the form of including the fellow mafia in a list of good vigilante targets, instead of calling directly for a vigi shot on the teammate.
I need to re-read Draken at least once more, but I agree that Beck is unlikely to be scum
Yes, this is a good post and good reasoning as to why I'm town. Palmar shows and reinforces good logic, but only when that logic is true and meets his ends. At this point it was fine to call me town as we were lynching Draken yesterday and he was fine with that.
In post 1404, Palmar wrote:ok then.
Vote: Weirdbeard
Reasons:
a) I don't care if I win anymore, I just want to punish people who are bad.
b) Weirdbeard has a guilty claim on Johman on day 2, yet he doesn't do jack shit about it
c) I think RBD shot Johman, not WB.
So, with all the evidence on the table, I have concluded that Weirdbeard is actually terrible at mafia, and thus he must be lynched.
This is post is lol bad. a) Palmar clearly cares about winning so that first part is a lie and an attempt to seem nonchalant about the game to appear like the random voting newb town persona he has been trying to establish. He is a smart cookie. Weird's claim almost had to be real due to the setup.
In post 1409, Palmar wrote: In post 1407, Beck wrote:So you don't beleive his claim?
You think 1 shot vig and bodyguard/watcher only is enough vs 3 mafia?
You sott if have to beleive his claim or you are actually a PR that you kept hidden.
I think scumhunter is scum, not weird.
I think 1shot vigilante and bodyguard/watcher is borderline overpowered in a 13 man game with 3 mafia. But as you can maybe tell, I'm used to playing with better towns.
This post is an absolute joke. Palmar is competent enough 1-shot vigilante and bodyguard/watcher is borderline overpowered? lol k. he doesn't believe that.
In post 1411, Palmar wrote:I still think you're clear. It's sad we wasted 2 days on stupid shit, because we would've had more time before lylo if people just listened to me in the first place.
If you're scum then my hat goes off to you for a game well played.
Which leaves WB and Scumhunter, so it's basically lylo, between the two.
I wanna see what scumhunter has to say. I have no interest in what WB has to say because on him it's all about the claim. It's just a matter of trying to figure out if he's terrible or scum.
The "I still think you are clear is in reference to Beck, although literally every comment he has made about Beck's alignment is previously quoted in this post, aka next to nothing..
In post 1412, Palmar wrote:The thing is.
WB claims an incorrect play.
Scumhunter hasn't actually done anything particularly bad.
If we don't lynch WB we're at best rewarding terrible play, and at worst losing because we're too stubborn to punish people for playing badly.
Yup I haven't done anything bad as in I'm not scum.
Brilliant. weird + beck, please tell me you can see the contrast between this subset of posts and Palmar's early game posts. "Fuck it" "Vote scumhunter". Really? And you still think I'm scum??
In post 1423, Palmar wrote:Because beck's play, despite however bad it may have been at times, he has voted for countless townies, back on day 1 he said something like "I'm gonna vote this townie, but 2b1s is not off the hook", which I found really weird at the time, and now that we know 2b1s is scum, is actually bad.
And yet, given that, he has done the least retarded things of you all.
What are these retarded things I have done? I thought I hadn't done anything all that bad. He JUST SAID I hadn't done anything all taht bad. And now Beck is town because he's done the least retarded things? Weird, you have his number with the arrogant scum insulting town to try and get their way. This is the closest thing in the ENTIRE thread that resembles anything close to an attempt at a justification for his town read on Beck.
I ask Palmar why is Beck town and why am I scum since he hasn't mentioned any logic in regards to either. Contrast this attitude with his attitude day 1 providing copious valid cases on the scumlords. Now this attitude would make sense if he truly didn't care about the game and really had said "fuck it" but do to his continued activity, his posts every now and then with the sole purpose of getting me lynched, its apparent that he does in fact still very much case about the game. For someone who cares about the game it wouldn't be hard at all to make a couple of posts explaining specifically why Beck is town or specifically why I'm scum.
In post 1464, Palmar wrote:Do you even care which one of you convince scumhunter?
When you're the suspect in lylo, the worst possible play as scum or town, is to attempt to keep both options open. You sit down, and decide on one of the other possibilities and build a case. Now you're just coming across as desperately trying to convince one of us, which is incorrect play no matter your alignment. I don't care if you're scum, but I hate you if you're town.
In post 1469, Palmar wrote:I'm glad scumhunter took my advice and settled on one of us to convince.
I'm also glad you decided I was gonna be your target of choice, means I don't have to deal with the headache.
I have popcorn, let's see what happens.
In post 1471, Palmar wrote:No, as I said, if we lynch you I'm perfectly happy with the result, no matter what it is.
If Beck is the scum, I will not care as I consider his post on day 1 about asking for a replacement cheating.
If WB is the scum, I don't care, because he should have been autolynched for making the wrong play, as I have stated numerous times.
So, that leaves you!
In post 1477, Palmar wrote:Scumhunter, you made an incorrect play by attempting to keep both your options open. Additionally, you're making an incorrect play by somehow deducing that I am scum despite being probably the most pro-town player in the game.
So, I'm fine with lynching you regardless of your alignment, I already explained that because more than 1 townie have made incorrect plays in lylo, the game is very hard to play. But you've just made two additional incorrect plays on the last day. So I don't actually care.
In post 1483, Palmar wrote:I don't need any arguments. The fact you're incorrectly accusing me of being scum is enough.
In post 1485, Palmar wrote:It should be painfully obivous, pro-tip: The people who try to kill mafia tend to not be mafia.
In post 1489, Palmar wrote:
Didn't you just say I'm scum?
If so, that's actually incompatible with your me "thinking logically" and "make some really good posts". Because none of the posts I've made are worth anything if I already knew their alignment, and none of the posts I've made can be good if I'm scum. So either I have been thinking logically and made some really good posts, or I've been bussing my ass off the entire game. It can't be both.
I lump these posts together because they are his response to me asking him to post reasons for his reads. Keep in mind. I'm a townie. I don't magically know everyone's alignment. Going into today I had thought both Palmar and Beck were town. I was trying to figure it out. I was asking for his reads, his logic, that he had clearly shown he was able to produce as evidenced by his early game play. Analyze his intent behind these posts. They are all to keep me down. Keep the pressure on me. Hope for a hammer soon, etc. He's not presenting any evidence just using that arrogant attitude to keep you and Beck from looking back and realizing there is no case on me...
