Mafia 39: Back to Gambits - Game over!

[jeep]

Pshew, not sure I have time to post all my thoughts/comments, now, but I'll try. In no particular order, other then the order I saw them when skimming back through the topic...

dybeck

: What do YOU think an OMGUS vote is? I don't think I ever twisted your words, and if I did so, it was an honest misunderstanding of what you said.

HezLucky

: Good job. I would like to know where I seriously claimed to be a pro. Others have thrust the title upon me and I've written up some disputed articles, but that doesn't make me a pro. But good job in trying to belittle me anyway.

Jeep's comment is weird. All though I've seen him joke that "he's never scum, ever" before.

Joke? What joke?

For the record: I'm not voting HezLucky based on an investigation result.

In NYPD, it was necessary for the scum to work together because of the situation. Generally, opposing mafia (or adding a SK) will increase the town's odds of winning. They need to kill each other off. (That's why it's sometimes good to claim SK to avoid a lynch.) And I wasn't scum in that game, it was a mod mistake. Had I been scum and had I thought about it, I would have encouraged my scum buddies to not kill Fuldu, since I think, had I been scum, that I could have communicated to him without the town becoming clued into the communications in a way that would have affected anything. The problem with that game was a mental lock that, if I had been scum, I would have wanted to eliminate the opposing scum first to keep my family intact. Hence, Fuldu's demise.

BabyJesus

, are you seriously comparing yourself to God (not the player, but the diety)?? Wow. Also, the bandwagon on me is not as good as any other.

To all

, please unbold quoted votes. In my games, I have started counting them as votes. They are extra annoying when trying to quickly do vote counts. Let's be nice to the mod.

Too strong of a response? Bollucks. Overreaction? B.S. I admit, I've moved away from the subtle "Try to manipulate the town to do what you want" strategy that I used to use to the "Beat the town with a stick until they do what you want" strategy of Antrax, but it worked for him and it has been working for me. Besides, the closer the scum think I am to getting lynched (without me actually in real danger of getting lynched) the longer I stay alive.

-JEEP

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

1 Puzzle (dybeck)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (EnterYourNameHere)
1 vikingfan (kristocker)
1 EnterYourNameHere (vikingfan)
2 BabyJesus (rolandofthewhite, Assasin)

3 jeep (HezLucky, Puzzle, BabyJesus)

2 HezLucky (jeep, Fuldu)

not voting (11): Astronaut, big_kahunia, Blackberry, Enigma91, Mastermind of Sin, Pariah, PookyTheMagicalBear, Save The Dragons, SpeedyKQ, Thesp, Thoth

12 to lynch

[dybeck]

dybeck

: What do YOU think an OMGUS vote is? I don't think I ever twisted your words, and if I did so, it was an honest misunderstanding of what you said.

I've always understood an OMGUS vote to be voting purely (or mostly) because one is angry, or spiteful, that they have been voted for by another - especially if they see no good reason for it.

Your vote didn't seem to be motivated by anger or spite, but you claimed to have deduced that, logically, a vote for you was a scummy thing to do.

The end result in terms of votes is the same - a vote each. However, it's more malicious than an OMGUS vote. Your claim that it was logically motivated, rather than spiteful, was intended to encourage others to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy.

[Save The Dragons]

Uh is BJ always trigger happy? I've never played with him before

Oh boy, are you in for a treat!

He may be pro but he certainly isn't acting like it at the moment.

That's not because...he's...uh...voting you...is it?

Unvote, Vote: HezLucky

[Thesp]

I've always understood an OMGUS vote to be voting purely (or mostly) because one is angry, or spiteful, that they have been voted for by another - especially if they see no good reason for it.

Your vote didn't seem to be motivated by anger or spite, but you claimed to have deduced that, logically, a vote for you was a scummy thing to do.

The end result in terms of votes is the same - a vote each. However, it's more malicious than an OMGUS vote. Your claim that it was logically motivated, rather than spiteful, was intended to encourage others to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy.

Hmm...I've always understood OMGUS as playful and absurd rather than spiteful and angry. That seems overly agressive, or perhaps mischaracterizing.

Vote: dybeck.

[Puzzle]

Hum, we've got 3 or 4 players who haven't posted yet. Unless they begin contributing, I think I will go after them tomorrow if nothing better comes out.

[dybeck]

I get the impression that whoever we lynch tonight, we're going to be able to tell a lot from voting patterns here.

[BabyJesus]

BabyJesus

, are you seriously comparing yourself to God (not the player, but the diety)?? Wow. Also, the bandwagon on me is not as good as any other.

no...

fos @ jeep

And are you implying the bandwagon on you is BETTER then? good to know...

[SpeedyKQ]

Too strong of a response? Bollucks. Overreaction? B.S. I admit, I've moved away from the subtle "Try to manipulate the town to do what you want" strategy that I used to use to the "Beat the town with a stick until they do what you want" strategy of Antrax, but it worked for him and it has been working for me.

I'm not bothered by jeep's lack of subtlety. I'm bothered that he still thinks it would be a smart move to lynch HezLucky, based only on a single vote which was called temporary, during the lets-throw-some-votes-around-to-stoke-discussion phase of day 1.

Vote jeep.

[rolandofthewhite]

I think that a lot of people are attacking jeep for the wrong reasons here, but I do agree that it was suspicious how he's so set on HezLucky. I'm going to keep my vote for the moment, however.

[Fuldu]

Hmm...I've always understood OMGUS as playful and absurd rather than spiteful and angry. That seems overly agressive, or perhaps mischaracterizing. Vote: dybeck.

I've seen both, repeatedly. As a general rule of thumb, if someone posts "OMGUS vote: HezLucky," they're probably doing it in a spirit of playfulness. But many times someone who is spiteful or angry will simply post "vote: HezLucky" without including the modifier and it's pretty obvious to everyone but the player casting the vote that this was an OMGUS vote.

[Blackberry]

Vote: SpeedKQ

for jumping on Jeep's bandwagon.

[HezLucky]

What's the difference between SpeedKQ jumping on Jeep's bandwagon and STD jumping on my bandwagon?

FOS: Blackberry

.

[BabyJesus]

Vote: SpeedKQ

for jumping on Jeep's bandwagon.

your not so subtle attempt to deflect the jeep bandwagon has been noted

[Puzzle]

Can we get prods on MastermindOfSin and Pooky ?

[Cadmium]

Mastermind of Sin won't be back until tuesday.

PookyTheMagicalBear has been prodded.

[jeep]

I've always understood an OMGUS vote to be voting purely (or mostly) because one is angry, or spiteful, that they have been voted for by another - especially if they see no good reason for it.

In my experience, that hasn't been the case. OMGUS is often playful. The emotion is not really relevant. OMGUS is voting for someone solely because they voted for you.

Your claim that it was logically motivated, rather than spiteful, was intended to encourage others to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy.

OK, so you don't want the town to be motivated by logic? Hmm. Interesting. Now, had you said here: "Your logic was faulty and you used that faulty logic to encourage the other to follow your bandwagon. And that struck me as scummy" then I'd have no comment, but to claim that using logic and encouraging people to follow is scummy... that seems a bit off.

And are you implying the bandwagon on you is BETTER then?

Nope. You might be inferring that, but I'm not implying that.

I'm bothered that he still thinks it would be a smart move to lynch HezLucky, based only on a single vote which was called temporary, during the lets-throw-some-votes-around-to-stoke-discussion phase of day 1.

Really? Hmm... You should really read previous games I've been in. Heh. And again, I'm not voting because of the vote, I'm voting him because of the stated reason.

What's the difference between SpeedKQ jumping on Jeep's bandwagon and STD jumping on my bandwagon?

SpeedyKQ is on the wrong bandwagon, STD isn't.

-JEEP

[HezLucky]

SpeedyKQ is on the wrong bandwagon, STD isn't.

I'm going to use one of your articles against you here.

It is most often mafia that seem confident of their vote.

Frankly, I think you should look harder. If you believe I'm mafia, you are sorely mistaken.

[Blackberry]

Wouldn't a detective be confident of which vote is wrong/right? Or even a mason group?

[Fuldu]

Wouldn't a detective be confident of which vote is wrong/right? Or even a mason group?

No Blackberry, because generally a detective or a mason might know that

certain

bandwagons are good or bad, but mafia know whether the bandwagon is good or bad

for all bandwagons

. If it's on one of their fellow scum, it's bad, but if it's on anybody else, it's good.

But that points up the reason that that logic is faulty in this particular game. Scum have roles out there that are working with them, but that they don't know the identity of. As such, they aren't going to be as confident in their bandwagoning decisions as would be the case in a regular game.

[HezLucky]

You raise a good point.

Nevertheless, Jeep's strange reaction combined with lack of any sort of reasoning (other than "it was his reason" ...) should've gotten him lynched by now.

But it's Jeep, you're all too afraid to admit he might be mafia.

Bookie can resurrect him anyway IF he's good (see that Jeep? I used the word IF ... something which seems to have disappeared from your vocabulary Mr. Mafia)

And to Blackberry, a mason group might know someone is innocent but they have no way of proving someone else is guilty. As for an inspector, he JUST said he's not voting me on the basis of an inspection. I think you need to pay some attention.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've been prodded, I apologize for being somewhat inattentive in this game, work has been kinda timeconsuming and I'll get a better read over the weekend, right now I needsa to take long long sleep

[Save The Dragons]

But it's Jeep, you're all too afraid to admit he might be mafia.

Once we kill you and if you are innocent, I'm going to try and figure out why jeep was so adament about killing you, and if I can't find a reason, I'll vote him.

[Thesp]

I haven't seen any reason to change my vote from dybeck. In fact, I think I find it more intriguing that he claims we'll find out a lot from today's voting patterns while he offers up no vote himself. Quite happy with my vote.

I'm sort of meh on the whole jeep vs. HezLucky thing. I'd vote HezLucky over jeep at the moment (in part for reasons mentioned by StD in the post previous), but I'm more inclined to look elsewhere right now.

[Thesp]

Clarification: dybeck hasn't offered up a significant vote.