TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia - Game over!

[mith]

I don't care what your recollection of events is. You are willing to lynch me over a memory that is incorrect

I really need to start a mafiascum class in reading comprehension. "The play style you are advocating" is present tense. It has nothing to do with my recollection (which you don't care about, but are absolutely certain is incorrect, despite me not saying what game I'm talking about; I could point you to it if you like, but we're getting off topic here); my point in bringing it up is simply: hasty play on day 1 breeds hasty play in general, and it's bad for the town.

but I'm not allowed to have an oppinion on day-one tactics.

I certainly said no such thing. You are allowed to have whatever opinion you like. And (this is the key, listen carefully), I am allowed to disagree with it.

I offered a reason why you might hold that opinion (admittedly a bit ad hominem, but I couldn't help myself after the rubish you posted at MoS). Rather than defend your opinion, you add:

Well, I'm using it even if you get me lynched over and over again.

This is not the statement of someone who has really considered all sides of the argument.

Now, if you would like to discuss the question "Is there something better to do on day 1 than jump on every bandwagon that comes along?", I'm sure I can come up with a few examples that answer "Yes". At the moment though, I must continue to believe that your "tactic" is the product of lazy play.

Merry Christmas

Happy Boxing Day.

[mith]

No posts at all today? I expected this on Christmas, not two days after. Where is everyone?

I'll go ahead and

Vote: VisMaior

, since discussion has stalled.

[LyingBrian]

hi

[mith]

You don't post for a week, and that's all you have to say?

FOS: LyingBrian

[PeaceBringer]

checking in, been busy with brother in town and such. Not checked much of anything. I will read more tomorrow AM and catch up.

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

2 mith (LyingBrian, Mastermind of Sin)
1 Mastermind of Sin (inHimshallibe)
2 Flying Dutchman (Commodore Amazing, PeaceBringer)
1 Coron (PookyTheMagicalBear)

5 VisMaior (Kerplunk, VitaminR, RoadBird, Fritzler, mith)

1 RoadBird (Coron)

1 no lynch (EnderX)

not voting (6): armlx, Fuldu, Iammars, Tyfo, VisMaior, Flying Dutchman

10 to lynch.

[PeaceBringer]

okay, I think the flying dutchman matter needs examination but no one going that way.

Mith, nice play with the "coron" wagon. I am sure you are keeping thoughts to self.

Vote VisMaior

[inHimshallibe]

Aww, controversial players! How sweet.

Anyway, checking in from my holiday festivities. I've skimmed up, and the little spitting match might have worth to me later, on a more coherent read-through. But now it's late, and I like my bed a lot.

[Fuldu]

Although there are a number of interesting things in the discussion mith has created, the following was the post that stood out for me the most in my post-holiday reread.

Unvote

for now. I'm not sure who is worse: Roadbird or Vis.

Too much of what Vismaior is being accused of seems just like bad play, to me, whereas armlx's comment seems like an attempt to prep to jump to either bandwagon as it forms. The fact that he hasn't actually done so with the existing Vismaior bandwagon is a point in his favor, but the framing of the above seems scummy to me nonetheless.

vote: armlx

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't know if I've posted this here yet, but I'm going to be inactive for the next week and a half more due to being home on vacation.

[VisMaior]

Why are we voting for me again?

[Commodore Amazing]

Why are we voting for me again?

We're not. We're lynching Flying Dutchman.

[inHimshallibe]

But

we're

lynching MoS. Or, at least until he answers my question.

To MoS: Yes, I know you're away at the moment. I still expect an answer at some point, though.

[Flying Dutchman]

Why are we voting for me again?

We're not. We're lynching Flying Dutchman.

'we' being you and ....? You're the only one voting me, you know....

Pushing MoS won't help, and both RoadBird and Vis bandwagons are crap. I think I'm the most happy with voting armlx.....

Vote: armlx

[mith]

Hm, PB with the "nice play" tell and CA being stubborn about FD? Interesting.

Unvote: VisMaior

for the moment. I need to think. And a lot of people need to post.

[Coron]

fos: flying dutchman

[Flying Dutchman]

fos: coron

[Kerplunk]

Why are we voting for me again?

You're not making much sense this game. See my earlier posts for a detailed argument.

I'm seeing nothing wrong with Roadbird or Coron. Coron is maybe acting a bit too 'touchy'.

Although Vis is "acting scummy". I like the bandwagon on armlx maybe even better.

unvote: VisMaior

,

vote: armlx

[VitaminR]

Back from my holidays. I'll try to post something with coherency later. I don't have the time for a re-read at this point.

[VitaminR]

Right, found some time.

Armlx's comment doesn't strike me as particularly scummy to be honest. I'd rather judge his intentions by his actions than by an off-hand comment on his suspicions.
RoadBird doesn't stick out in his bandwagon jumping and I'm a bit weary of voting people based on issue posts at this point. There are too many people who have hardly contributed.
I don't see what the Coron wagon was based on.

VisMaior is still the only one who seems to have done something remotely scummy. His inconsistency indicates an ulterior motive. I'll stick with my vote on him for now.

Some other things that struck me on the re-read:
I was surprised by how fast the Coron wagon took off and how many people blindly followed mith. It also makes me slightly suspicious of mith, because he almost seemed to be directing the chaotic bandwagon voting.

Commodore Amazing, this is all you've posted in-game:

vote: Flying Dutchman

Flying Dutchman dead yet?

We're not. We're lynching Flying Dutchman.

Why?

[EnderX]

Sorry about the delay in posting this. Things have been a bit hectic for me lately, and I needed time to go back and reread the thread in one shot. That said;

Unvote: No Lynch. Vote: RoadBird.

Part of this is due to RoadBird's apparent sidetracking. (I think that was what mith meant when talking about 'incoherence'.) Not a very strong point to make, I know, but still something to consider. Even if it is (was?) RoadBird's style, it's also a useful tactic for confusing the town, or sending it off on tangents. Who gains from those actions?

Another part is the nature of RoadBird's reaction to mith's comments. That may simply be another portion of mith's 'incoherence', but it looks suspicious to me. Especially since it appears that RoadBird is trying to set up a good reason for us to see him as the victim.

I don't care what your recollection of events is. You are willing to lynch me over a memory that is incorrect, but I'm not allowed to have an oppinion on day-one tactics. Well, I'm using it even if you get me lynched over and over again.

I might be incorrect in this, but that sounds like a strawman argument to me, and as I understand it, such an argument is usually only made because the facts won't support the idea being presented.

On another note, I'd like to point something out. While I know that there are myriad references to the practice of stoning in the scriptures, TSS wasn't necessarily killed in this manner-the death description says "struck to death with

a

stone" (italics mine). As a result, I'd like to submit that the following be considered as potential scum verses:

Judges 9:53 and 2 Samuel 11:21.

The Judges reference reads "a woman dropped an upper millstone on his head and cracked his skull." (KJV Reads as "And a certain woman cast a piece of a millstone upon Abimelech's head, and all to brake his skull.")

The 2 Samuel reference makes reference to the events recorded in the Judges reference.

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

2 mith (LyingBrian, Mastermind of Sin)
1 Mastermind of Sin (inHimshallibe)
1 Flying Dutchman (Commodore Amazing)
1 Coron (PookyTheMagicalBear)

4 VisMaior (VitaminR, RoadBird, Fritzler, PeaceBringer)

2 RoadBird (Coron, EnderX)
3 armlx (Fuldu, Flying Dutchman, Kerplunk)

not voting (5): armlx, Iammars, mith, Tyfo, VisMaior

10 to lynch.

[armlx]

Vote Roadbird

Despite Vis's blantant wagonnery, Roadbird's trying to keep lowish key IMO is the deciding factor here.

[mith]

Right, after further review:

The case against armlx is weak at best. At the time he posted the "Roadbird or Vis" post, there was already a rather strong bandwagon on VisMaior (4 votes and an FOS) and only a single vote on Roadbird; while I was calling Roadbird incoherent, there was no real sign that a bandwagon might go that direction at the time. Besides that, I'd rather *encourage* players to post who they are "deciding" between; it often makes connections easier to find.

I'm not willing to vote for Roadbird until I hear from him, and at the moment all I have on him is an annoyance at his play style rather than anything particularly scummy. He hasn't posted anywhere in a week, and I assume that as with others this has more to do with the time of the year than with deliberate lurking.

VisMaior remains at the top of my list, for reasons already stated, so I will

Vote: VisMaior

again.

FOS: Flying Dutchman

; he seemed a tad sycophantic earlier in my direction and the CA thing is bothering me. No one seems interested in going that direction today though (which is fine, I think I'd rather wait and see if anything new happens there anyway).

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote: MoS
Vote: VisMaior

- for the sake of bandwagonry.

FOS: MoS

IGMEOY: EnderX

- I liked a majority of what you said in your most recent post, but I find something scummy in the listing of verses and such.