10. pitoli/Infinity 324 - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched Day 1
8. NicCage - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1
9. mvmafia/N64Lord - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1
6. mnemonicdevice - Town Doctor - Lynched Day 2
7. Monkeyman576 - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 2
me = Zhero freshmaniscoolman
HC 39 wrote:I always find it strange when somebody answers a question that was intended for another player? Don't you think mnemonicdevice is a big boy capable of answering his own questions? Why does he need you to answer for him?
Good posting. I already see how pitoli was caught. Things were about to get pretty
hairy
for her.
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Feel 64 wrote:Honestly, I can't even remember who the previous vote was, I might have actually got it confused with a vote I lost in another game. *gulp*
This kind of reads as town to me. The reason I say that is that scum would be more inclined to remember where their vote was, I think. This is a very honest post.
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HC 74 wrote:Your claimed reason for voting Zhero is fake, and so are you.
MD was pretty scummy sounding, and I am only 3 pages in.
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pitoli 84 wrote:I'm reading Haschel as town or anal retentive scum.
pitoli probably wouldn't single her partner out with a comment like this so early in the game.
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CC/Smudger 93 wrote:At the moment I'm leaning towards a Pitoli + MD scum team. Pitoli moreso. In 41 Pitoli dismisses Monkey's vote fairly quickly and seems to take it far too seriously, especially considering it was on page 2. The whole answering for MD isn't a scumtell as such, but Pitoli's response just doesn't work. In #49 she quickly agrees with Monkey on the fact it was only an observation, then dismisses it as a null tell. Also the latter part of #50 half condemns anyone who calls her out on the fact she answers another question for someone. Answering the question isn't scummy, but fact she felt the need to add the last part of #50 in starts to ping the scumdar.
Good points against pitoli early in the game.
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Feel 109 wrote:But, you just did what you accused me of...
Good point.
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Toonami 111 wrote:I also don't like pitoli's recent posts, but
74 tells me to vote over here. I don't really get how the given quotes add up.
In retrospect (post-pitoli flip), this doesn't look good. I'm always weary of scum doing something like that.
"My partner is scummy, sure, but look at this townie instead" is a possibility.
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I like Feel's
post 120. Good list of reads. I agree with the reads. It just looks like someone trying to figure the game out. I like his anger with MD as well.
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Daemon 131 wrote:Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.
I don't like it when people come across as apologetic for playing the game. If someone honestly makes a mistake, then that's different. But this is wishy washy. "I suspect you but don't worry about it because I am not voting..." Sounds like a weird level of hand wringing.
Daemon 147 wrote:Vote: mnemonic
Made up my mind =D
Influencial vote at this time that's going to wrong way. Could've been tailor made to change the direction of the game.
Daemon 149 wrote:It doesn't help him either way no matter if he is scum or town.
I really hate this comment. I get a read a real lack of interest in MD's alignment here.
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CC/Smudger 152 wrote:Apart from the fact that MD wasn't even actually on L-1, or even L-2, this makes it more and more likely that there's a MD + Pitoli scumteam. As I said earlier, I'm fairly set on MD + Pitoli, so I'm happy to vote either, and I think my vote would be better served on MD.
(Despite the fact that I've been mostly attacking Pitoli)
I like this comment and I think CC is arriving at his thoughts reasonably. That said, I'm reluctant to give him too much love for this given the fact that he jumped from scum to town here.
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Toonami 158 wrote:Non sequitur post, apparently in response to something I said but not making apparent effort to explain.
I get the same notion. It was somewhat out of place. I think your push on Monkey is warranted here.
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2b1s 178 wrote:Unvote
Vote: Pitoli
That's a tough vote to make if pitoli is your partner.
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pitoli 191 wrote:People to look at on my wagon are N64 and Toomai as their votes are rather opportunistic, blending into the rest of the pack. Feelit is still scummy to me and I regret I couldn't pressure him more. Haschel also needs a second look as he has steered clear of my lynch.
I think I believe the MD claim. 2birds and Captain are townish.
Here's the good stuff. Let's see what our lovely vixen threw out there before making a mad dash for the exit.
She's essentially saying the following:
Scum = N64, Toonami, Feel, HC
Town = MD, 2b1s, CC/Smudger
Mmm, she mixed them up good, didn't she? Ugh, this throws Daemon out of the mix if I think she mixed her partner in here somewhere. I'm going to discount it for now. I may come back to it, but she did a pretty good job of sprinkling the names in a confusing manner.
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2b1s 225 wrote:You can argue that he's not necessarily scum from this (well, I disagree, I think you're underweighting the daytalk, and yes, I will hammer that point for a long time), but not scumtelling isn't a towntell. It's a nulltell. The jump from "I can't see why he'd be scum" to "he's town" is a really bad jump, and really reinforces the scumbuddies possibility.
Good point. I like this. I hadn't really considered it, and it's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone reading the game here. This post keeps the pressure on Infinity. Infinity is so scatterbrained that I would've probably been dissuaded from commenting on him had I been here, I think.
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Feel 263 wrote:I actually forgot about that possibility, never played in a game with a serial killer, good point.
I'm still wary of lynching mnem with his doc claim, I don't think the case of him and Infinity/pitoli is very strong either.
Maybe it's just me, but I get such a wholesome vibe from Feel when he posts. I don't know what it is, but he really appears innocent and fresh-eyed.
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Mod 278 wrote:Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone
Something worth noting here is that Daemon tried to get on this wagon at the end as well. I don't think he realized MD had been lynched.
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Daemon 282 wrote:Oh I wonder I wonder who in this group is a baddy Zhero, Haschel Cedricson, MonkeyMan576, Feel It, 2birds1stone
Normally I am a big believer in VCA, but this just strikes me as really scummy. There's a good chance there is scum in that group, but Daemon immediately tries to spin it in such a way that he carries no culpability. In fact, Daemon tried to be the sixth vote on this wagon.
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2b1s 286 wrote:Not convinced that scum were necessarily on the wagon, beyond the fact scum normally are on lynching wagons (translation: nothing about the wagon struck me as particularly bad. Mnemonic really did look like Pitoli's buddy, and had a truly shitty claim, then I derphammered).
Yeah, I understand this. On the one hand, your blind aggression reads town because scum would've likely been more cautious than to hammer so quickly. On the other, it's hard to say with any authority that scum would or would not have been on that wagon due to the speed of it. It just went so quick that some people didn't get a chance to post, let alone consider their vote.
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Daemon 290 wrote:And I am not saying I am off that list either since I did vote just the same.
Uh, yeah you are. Otherwise you would've acknowledged it somehow. Now you are trying to act like you should be included in that list only because 2b1s called you on it.
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Smudger 291 wrote:Through the run of events he names 2B1S, Zhero, Toomai, Daemon as possible scum, interchanging freely but stays away from Nic, Feel It and HC. The question is why? And based on MDs list and tunneling statement then my FoS is pointed at HC and to a lesser extent Toomai as I think the whole thing in relation to Toomai smells of distancing.
I see your point, but what about the early things pitoli had to say about HC? The things she said to HC didn't strike me as two scumbuddies talking together.
I will file this under "usually there's scum in my town group", but I think just throwing some light suspicion in the direction of HC and Toonami is a bit weak. I'm getting very clear reads in this game so far.
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HC 299 wrote:You know, I don't mind if people think I was tunneling on mnemonicdevice*, but it seems to me like you're placing an undue amount of weight on MD's list.
This. I figured you were obligated to call out Smudger for that, but I agree anyway. Speaking from a replacing point of view, how Smudger thought that was arguably what carried the most weight in this game is subjectively wrong and objectively highly questionable.
Of course, I'm not expecting Smudger to invest his day into going over this game with a fine tooth comb, but I just don't see where he's coming from. He's really forcing the HC scumread, I think. I don't like it.
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2b1s 303 wrote:This strikes me as a generally fluffy post (specifically; lists aren't useful).
Strongly disagree with this, but it's political so *shrug*.
I'm actually a bit impressed that Toonami has the game almost exactly how I have it (swap Smudger and 2b1s; replace Zhero's name with Toonami). I think this should give him some townpoints.
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Feel 305 wrote:Zhero seemed scummy but he was also away and was probably busy and has a replacement now. I wanna give him a chance at least.
First post from Feel that I actively don't like, but willing to throw it aside as the outlier. I just don't think this is a good enough reason to unvote and not vote someone else.
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2b1s 310 wrote:There are aspects of Toomai's play which just bug me. For the most part, he has answered for himself relatively calmly and consistently, but certain things he has done very much ring scum to me; the other part of me is pointing out that most of it can be put down fairly simply to bad/suboptimal/unusual play.
I'm not sure if I'm overthinking this, or underthinking this, or something else altogether.
This could be fake, but I'm inclined to say no. This is a good way to interpret Toonami, I think. I really like you too, 2b1s.
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Daemon 314 wrote:Or who ever his replacement is I forgot the name who ever you are sorry about that.
Again, this apologetic crap. I know, some of you are thinking this is just null... but this mentality of being so passive strikes me as lacking of character. It's a bit slimy and flowery (no pun intended).
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2b1s 327 wrote:No, because you care too much about my read on you.
Why shouldn't he? You're voting him, so it's in his best (and the town's, if he is town) interest to engage you and attempt to get you to read him as town.
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Smudger 338 wrote:While reading Toomai's ISO something in it made me read through Infinity's ISO again
This is the second time you've ignored pitoli. Why? I absolutely support your decision to read over Infinity. It's a good idea and could lead to potential partnerships, but you're ignoring over half the game when you don't consider pitoli. I know for a fact pitoli has posts that reference her reads on other players.
It just seems like you're doing this half-assed.
+3 T - HC
+4 T - Feel
+1 T/+2 S - CC/Smudger
+4 T - 2b1s
+2 T/+1 S - Toonami
+3 S - Daemon
