NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[MC Maraca]

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

Oh and also VOTE: guyett no more drunkhammers man.


And whoever asked about signings posts... If it sounds like the player writing posts sounds like a total asshole, it's me (cabd) If they sound nice or motherlike, they're marangal.

[MC Maraca]

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

That newbie game where you self-voted as town in LYLO.

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ILL SEND A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT

I MAKES KAT

IM A SK

VOTE: Cabd / MC Makara

Holy fuck you're on to me, I'm shooting you tonight!

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

^^ Not RVS

Oh and also VOTE: guyett no more drunkhammers man.

^^ RVS?

tags fixed

Indeed. I want sakura to justify this, or take it back, because any reasoning for a hermy PL is a reason for a sakura PL as well, pretty much.

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

Betting on at least one to refuse and expect you to know who is talking at all times.

Hi, my name is "not signing posts" nice to meetcha.

Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

You, of course.

-L. J.

Do I know you?

Does that matter?

Your knowledge of ffery clearly predates AMOL and NY165.

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

Pray tell?

~Jekyll

Like I said, she self-voted and gamethrew a newbie game in 5-man lylo as town. I can dig up a link if you want.

It looked like a weird thing to pick up something on.

welcome to feryland

I've been there before but I don't remember the map layout anymore.
I might need a tour guide or two.

-L. J.

Bring snacks, and you might want something to cut through all the tinfoil.

[MC Maraca]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

Betting on at least one to refuse and expect you to know who is talking at all times.

that'll be us!

I mean, if you don't know us enough to not know who is talking in each post, you don't deserve to know who is talking anyway, nor will it matter enough for you to meta-search or whatever

like, I'm totes different from Cabd

[MC Maraca]

no, that was mara!

I think I wanna kill TIP

[MC Maraca]

other than that, the game has been pretty boring so far

someone wake me up when things get going please

Pedit: Both of them are mara posts, silly

[MC Maraca]

How many times have she done it and what was the reason for her to do so?

Once that I remember.
For the reason of being scumread, no one had piled any votes yet and she self-voted then scum quickhammered.

Guyett was there, ask him how it went down. He was "in the moment"

Just to clarify, if we ever come across a debacle whether to lynch or leash claimed SK, I'll be vehemently in favor of breaking its neck.

This shows your relative inexperience with serial killers in larges. Always better to leash for a few days before lylo.

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

Like somebody else said, it's more about denying the other antitown wincon a win at that point out of spite.

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

We think leash in the short run, and kill immediately upon deviation. We also feel like it's probably a moot point.

This is the correct answer for those of you keeping score at home.

Depends if you can make scum waste a bullet on it.

You usually can, but it's still worth leashing even if they're bulletproof.

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

It was under two months ago, so it's fairly recent; but yes, players improve. It's your job to shed that aura you built yourself.

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Framing it as a true PL was pretty fucked up, for the record, because that's the sort of thing I've seen people get PL'd for.

You were pretty known that day on site chat i'm sure.

When Cabd jumped and said "Hey Sakura, I saw someone who self-voted in LyLo!"

^Chances are as soon as a given game finishes, I'm already talking about it on sitechat with people.

1. MC Maraca (hydra of Mara and certainly not Cabd): these guys are so cool, Mara my favourite player on MS and

Cabd the scummy motherfucker

2. Doctor Jekyll is a hydra with Cephrir and Cephrir
3. Sakura Hana is my secret girlfriend (it's so secret, even she doesn't know it yet)
4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob
5. JacobSavage is a lurky scumfuck
6. MVP (hydra) is a hydra... Durr
7. caledfwitch is no one
8. Guyett is an Irish drunk
9. likeabauss is in love with the guy below
10. Rank is in love with the guy above
11. Wake88 is one of those players that annoy the fuck out of you
12. Hermy is a lolnoob
13. PeregrineV is an extremely strong player who got me lynched in Walking Dead
14. RadiantCowbells replaced into a scum slot in the other only large normal I've played
15. Toomai I've played with once
16. yessiree is yessiree
17. TheIrishPope is silky and Town

Wow! Productive day everyone!
Where the scum at?

Damn right I am. Except when I'm town and nail your ass to the wall as scum. Actually have we ever played as the same alignment before? Maestro's newbie, xenologue, NY165, cold stone, hard boiled.... Hopefully this is a first. If not, mara and I will write out your death warrant soon enough.

Mmmmmm Hermy seems ok right now
MVP is weird
Sangres is town
Dunno who to vote

Define weird. I have an idea of at least one head of MVP's ID so this actually fits into their usual shit more... I think.

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Lynched anyways guy at your service! TO be fair I self hammered because it actually gave town a better chance to win the game. Ffery-scum still won though.

^
Cabd post

You suck at this game.

Dont worry guys, I know Cabd likes to pretend to be his hydra partners when talking on hydra.

Wrong actually! I don't recall making a single post to impersonate another head of any of my hydrae ever, actually.

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

I did have a reason for the SK question.

other than that, the game has been pretty boring so far

someone wake me up when things get going please

Pedit: Both of them are mara posts, silly

When you SK kill someone tonight, who will be your first choice based on the 5 pages?

I'm probably gonna kill somebody who can peg me. Maybe that marangal bitch. Or ffery-nacho, given the results of perpetual MYLO. Barring those, maybe that ceph hydra. He's watched me play scum as a mod (AMOL mini theme)

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

Nb4 GM's one non-normal role is a lyncher with a tippy target.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

I'm not. This is pretty null for yessiree, if you've watched his games before.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Unless you show your age you don't get to call us kids, you know.

yessiree, I believe you owe me an answer to my question.

-L. J.

well, do you think the discussion of whether or not to lynch or leash the "SK claim" is meaningful?

if yes, how?

if not, then there's your answer

It is actually! Free sheep* to the person who can tell me the goal of the question.
*It's gonna be a JPG not a vote

Just to clarify, I've been leashed when I was investigated as guilty, but single handedly got a scum lynched so everyone assumed I was SK but was actually third party Arsonist, and everyone kept telling me to NK or they'd lynch me, so I ended up just dousing and igniting day 5 for a win.

It makes me very leery of leashing people.

Given arsonist is a non normal role, you don't have to worry about that!

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

It is? How is that the case? Grasping for straws? You feel fake to me.

~Jekyll

Ceph, sakura. Sakura, ceph.

[MC Maraca]

other than that, the game has been pretty boring so far

someone wake me up when things get going please

Pedit: Both of them are mara posts, silly

When you SK kill someone tonight, who will be your first choice based on the 5 pages?

you, darling

because you are on to us.

Cows is too, but you are much more likely to build a wagon against us and I can't let that happen

[MC Maraca]

though, guys

where is our vote?

[MC Maraca]

WHERE IS OUR VOTE TIP

[MC Maraca]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

so, there's this

and it comes after this

no, that was mara!

I think I wanna kill TIP

Jekyl, what do you think of that post, and why didn't you mention it when you made that post?

We are one of the hydrae that will know "TIP is scum" within the next few pages, yet I have already shown dislike for his play so far.

[MC Maraca]

I am having a very hard time separating serious posts from joke posts right now, and this is my first Large game, so I have to ask: Are third-parties common enough in Large games that discussing them Day 1 without much justification is helpful?

Serial killers and multiball are both fairly popular in large normal games. 165, which just finished, was 5 scum + SK. 166, also finished, was a scumteam plus a SK. Prior large normal have also featured multiball.

The question was asked for a different reason though, still waiting to see if anyone else sees it.

[MC Maraca]

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

[MC Maraca]

{Cabd's quotestripe hell}

Are you avoiding me?

You smell funny.

[MC Maraca]

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

Town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30562 (died night one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30411 (lived to endgame)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28783 (slot lynched in MYLO)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29457 (killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28846 (also killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212 (lynched day one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29687 (slot killed night two)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30255 (lynched day two)

Scum:

None completed

[MC Maraca]

Hey so which head is domanant this game, ceph?

Oh and I'm thinking this is town tippy, will see what mara thinks when she awakes.

P-edit: Man I could policy this thing if it keeps up.

[MC Maraca]

I can only wish.

[MC Maraca]

Hey so which head is domanant this game, ceph?

Oh and I'm thinking this is town tippy, will see what mara thinks when she awakes.

P-edit: Man I could policy this thing if it keeps up.

^^

Tippy is probably town

[MC Maraca]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

so, there's this

and it comes after this

no, that was mara!

I think I wanna kill TIP

Jekyl, what do you think of that post, and why didn't you mention it when you made that post?

We are one of the hydrae that will know "TIP is scum" within the next few pages, yet I have already shown dislike for his play so far.

Good point, I guess we missed that. Why aren't you voting TIP?

Incidentally, I don't know that I think his play here is matching what I expect to see, either.

~Jekyll

Up to this point, there are several things that

are

aligning with I expect to see from townTIP hence, no vote. He's Duped me a couple times since I have proclaimed that I can perfectly read him, but I think I am getting my streak back.

What I bring to the table, isn't always what's going on in my mind. How no one had caught me pushing TIP, while keeping my vote off him was strange. the last time I did that, I was town, and town nearly pushed for my death though I had TIP as town, and was looking for certain reactions.

as of right now, You and Yessiree are on the top of my "kill list"

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Cephrir, I'm going to start calling you Saint K. Mara scumreads you, I townread you. Guess who was right in the end about Saint K in paradox? (Hint it was me bevcause mara's reads suck)

[MC Maraca]

Curiously, the Large Normal is technically allowed up to two non-Normal Roles iirc.

This is correct but if you use them to make a broken role (*glares at peregrine's white mage*) I will hate you forever and kill your cats.

[MC Maraca]

His tunnel on tippy while looking elsewhere and passing it off as a joke reminds me of the shitfest between metal sonic (tippy here, MS was town) and TD (yessiree here, TD was scum) in xenoblade. Mara has some old meta reasons too, I'll have her elaborate.

[MC Maraca]

@Purple
Is that "kill list" a scumreads or vig lists?
Yessiree might be good for vig target practice but I don't think he's scum.
-L. J.

TAAAAMMMMMMMMMM


HAAIIIIIII

or...

Gen

[MC Maraca]

Meta reasons on someone who apparently don't have a scumgame... ?

Yes. It's a LACK of something present in the towngame, I'll let her explain.

[MC Maraca]

it isn't exactly Meta

the way Ceph defends TIP, while forgetting that I had made something of a stance on him that was a little strange was reminiscent of Cabds position towards TIP in a game where TIP and I were town, and where he was scum.

I think he's taking a neutral stance on TIP because he knows that he can be easy mis-lynch bait, if we don't properly read him (which has happened before)

[MC Maraca]

OH YES

uh..

he's being a little more "helpful" then I remember from the game I have played with him. He is usually a stubborn fuck, and he isn't dumb either

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and, his pushes are fairly opportunistic

[MC Maraca]

For me, it's the lack of conviction his towngame usually shows. Go pull his ISO in some of the games I linked. Then compare his very passive ISO here.

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Cephrir, I'm going to start calling you Saint K. Mara scumreads you, I townread you. Guess who was right in the end about Saint K in paradox? (Hint it was me bevcause mara's reads suck)

I thought I sorted Saint K for you i that game, when all the dead players got to come out and play again.

Our entire back and forth on Skype for a while was me yelling at her for reading saint K as scum, and her yelling at me for reading saint K as town.

[MC Maraca]

Well, ffery, agree to disagree. We gonna do our usual comparing notes dance or you gonna sit there and break my heart? Since nacho is gone you're going to have to take on mean old paranoia-throwing cabd on your lonesome.

Also hi bro/AP. Guilty child sucks to draw, doesn't it?

[MC Maraca]

It's a NY165 joke. Remember us winning it by lynching Jacob savage as an SK?

[MC Maraca]

Your discounting of my yessiree meta/read.

[MC Maraca]

Hi. I'm here and catching up and stuffsies.

[MC Maraca]

The RB claim was obviously from scum the instant BS flipped, so eh. /waffles.

Seriously, wth. You lynched STUBBSKVM over the Mafia Roleblocker. I was even helping throw him under the bud for you

Rub rub rub it innnnnnnnnn~

[MC Maraca]

I don't like MVP. Weird vibes.

AngryFratBoys is scum.

I hate cats.

U just jelly.

Your discounting of my yessiree meta/read.

I thought it was purple's?

She's my partner. And I don't disagree with her read, with my own research. So yeah, it's half my read now too. Is that a problem for you?

Your knowledge of ffery clearly predates AMOL and NY165.

This is officially the NY 167 mafia drinking game.
Rules

1) Take a shot every time Cabd mentions AMOL.
2) Take a shot every time Guyett drunk hammers.
3) Take a shot every time ffery calls me scum but doesnt vote me.

AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
There, now all ya'll are dead or wasted, town wins with me the only surivior. The end.

Your discounting of my yessiree meta/read.

Then explain.

Any time you're ready, I want to walk through this.

You look at things I don't. I look at things you don't. Let's play a game where I laugh at your feeble attempts to figure out what I see that you don't.

Or i'll write it up later

Curiously, the Large Normal is technically allowed up to two non-Normal Roles iirc.

This is correct but if you use them to make a broken role (*glares at peregrine's white mage*) I will hate you forever and kill your cats.

It was not broken, it was beautiful!

No. That role was horribad.

Oh, also, my setup-dar is broken.
How many scums are we expecting in 17 players game?

-L. J.

4 in a 16, the plus cause mod loves town, or he threw in an SK.

Actually, 4 in 17 is more standard than 4 in 16. You can infer single faction here, because starting off on odds means that barring vig shots/missed nightkills/

hidden white mage SK

the game will stay on odds into lylo if it comes to that. Red wedding is a good example of that.

Curiously, the Large Normal is technically allowed up to two non-Normal Roles iirc.

This is correct but if you use them to make a broken role (*glares at peregrine's white mage*) I will hate you forever and kill your cats.

It was not broken, it was beautiful!

That game was balanced around me getting confirmed town White Mages lynched, : P

+1

that game :/

That game will haunt you to the end. On your deathbed your last regret will be that stubbs lynch. Or letting 3k shoot orcinus. Or both.

Ugh can I just townread Cabd so I can ignore his quote strip walls?

You have my permission!

Pretty sure I've never played a game with town-you, so

Having not played with me-town before matters, because?

I wasn't trolling, I was opening a dialogue. You are a strong town player, I want you close regardless. What are your thoughts on Cabd? Also tell Nacho to get his ass in here.

It matters because I have a hell of a scum-AP model, and although not fitting a one-sided model well is nice, and actually works sometimes, it's a shaky starting place.

My thoughts on Cabd are that the meta threads he dumped in the game need some explanation or walk-through because it's not obvious to me how they point to Yesseree's game being way off his town meta. However, I do like that he didn't jump to explicate them before I went through them for myself. But, Cabd knows Nacho's onto him regarding too much collaboration in me developing meta reads.

Nacho's laptop was stolen this weekend. I probably won't hear much from him for a few days, but I'll let him know you're thinking of him.

Please don't make me sad and tell me you think scum-me couldn't move past nacho-town's scum model of me.

Uh, your scumvibe on me in goonies was purely based on me aggressively shoving a slot you knew to be town (yours). So if I ha called you scum and voted you here, that would be scummy on me? And in NY 165 I was just kind of loud scum cause I figured I could get a way with it. Not sure where Im going with this tbh, I'm in this game. You seem less paranoid about me than you should. Like you are TELLING me that you are, but Im not feeling the paranoia. Eh.

Cabd was town in a game I modded offsite. Other than that, no I havent played with him as town.

Also while I have you hear, quick thoughts for me on:

Dr. Jekyll, Sakura, TIP, RC?

Fuck you for that posting restriction. Of yellow fever. Or the black plague. Or gang-greeeeeeeeen.

Cabd was town in a game I modded offsite.

And I remember thinking he was a strong town player. The scumteam did as well and actually killed him on N1 even though it sorta doomed a member of theirs because of Cabd's flip.

My fault for being the only sane man in that day one derptown.

Not seeing scum tip yet btw
Caled could well be scum... I'll have to reread lucid dreamers

Congrats! You've figured out tippy, and it only took you like five more pages than the cool kids to do it!

^Speaking of Mafia aligned Roleblockers. Cabd are you a mafia aligned roleblocker this game?

Also, what is your read on Sangres?

Did I call nacho a raving bisexual this game? Guess not. Must be something lame then.

Ffery is my blind spot, I just treat her as town until near the end of day one and then sort her from there. I'd attempt to read nacho, but fuck laptop thieves.

[MC Maraca]

Hi my name is cabd and I have all sorts of

cool drugs

ffery meta, what were you interested in purchasing today?

[MC Maraca]

Hi my name is cabd and I have all sorts of

cool drugs

ffery meta, what were you interested in purchasing today?

The one labelled "Ffery's hydra dependency and passiveness", please.
I know it costs a lot, but hell, I think I can manage it from all that nickels I robbed from TIP.

-L. J.

The short version is that ffery tends to hide behind her other head in scum hydrae. She'll still post plenty, but she'll let the other head do the heavy lifting and planning. See morph the cat in xenologue mafia and achievement unlocked, where she some posting, but I ran all the strategy and plotting. In her scum hydrae she's less apt to reach out and defend her townreads, as that requires sticking her neck out. In her town hydrae she's not afraid to go it alone, but does try to not mess up anything her other head is attempting to do. If you want more, insert another dime.

What's your point?

His point is obv "please vig me! I have this big red target behind my back!".

-L. J.

What if I ended up being vigged and flipped a confirmable town role, such as Mason or Innocent Child or Beloved, who was trying to bait reactions since looking scummy isn't an object for someone who isn't going to end up being lynched anyway?

Then you would have only yourself to blame. Because right now you are doing your damnedest to make sure this happens. Not to mention getting run up and having to claim Mason would hardly help your cause. Meanwhile you aren't using your scumhunting ability to help the town.

What on earth could you get out of a reaction test in which you are deliberately scummy? You can't possibly tell me it would be scummy if someone suspected you for this stupid garbage. I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

-Hyde

+1 This had not be another "OMG imma selfhammer as town doc day one" game, if you're town.

I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

source

I was actually referring to the time I ran into you on Epicmafia (shortly before I quit). You do know who we are, yes? You were insanely hypertown, though you did fail to scumhunt us

And even your mediocre play in NY165 was way better than this stupidity.

Ewwwwww scumceph used to play on EM.

Hi my name is cabd and I have all sorts of

cool drugs

ffery meta, what were you interested in purchasing today?

The one labelled "Ffery's hydra dependency and passiveness", please.
I know it costs a lot, but hell, I think I can manage it from all that nickels I robbed from TIP.

-L. J.

Or you could make some actual effort to sort me.

But that's no fun. Then they don't get to pay me money.

Kinda hard to sort when you give me this:

-L. J.

I have no idea when Nacho and I will have a chance to discuss this game. I think he wants to see something from JS, and I don't want to telegraph what that something might be.

^town ffery trying to avoid messing up the absent other head's test.

I think AFB have a point that the scum aren't posting. I am feeling pretty okay about everyone who's actually here, except Maraca (because I'm pretty confident Cabd can fool me, and I don't like Mara but then I never do) and sangres (not obvtown yet).

~Jekyll

I dunno i'd say you know my scumgame, and how to find it, best out of almost anyone here thanks to AMOL (you dead yet guyett?) and hard boiled.

He's said before that he likes to pretend to do meta as scum, so not actually explaining and letting you do the dirty work (while trying to inform your conclusion) doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

He does. However, in a recent we played he was

town

and I was scum. And he sent me on a wild goose chase through one of Bert's scum games looking for parallels with the game we were playing. The purpose was dual - mostly to make Bert think he was seriously scumreading him rather than setting up a reaction test, but a significant side benefit was getting me to read an irrelevant 100-plus page game purely for the hell of it. And being scum, I went through the motions and looked for the parallels he claimed existed.

Faking meta isn't as alignment indicative as I'd like.

But more to the point, I assumed that was Cabd dumping a bunch of game links into the thread, but it was Mara. And I don't think she's ever played a fake meta game with me.

Hahahahah 10/10 would make you read walls again. In fact hey ffery, I have a game of scum-guyett's you should read.

Dammit Cabd why must you be good at being unreadable.

Re: Mara- hm, okay.

Don't look at me. If people want to put their "omg godly scumplay" blinders on, that's one thing, but I'm really not that hard to figure out.

[MC Maraca]

ITT Ceph fails at quote tags and tries to cover up his evil deeds.

[MC Maraca]

Whatever happened to "I change my scum game every time"? I suppose I do feel like I have something of a handle on it from AMOl (hehe) and NY165. I think I was mostly catching onto Nacho in Hard Boiled though, not you. Were you even really posting?

I change the outside, but the surface below remains the same if you know what to fish for. Ffery has figured it out, and nacho is getting there. One of the reasons I'm debating making morph the cat my main in the near future. In hard boiled I was posting only a tiny amount, but that was during the HOLYFUCKIHATETHEWORLD phase of mafia I went though, due to IRL shit and the clusterfuck replace out that I had to do in NY165 happened around the same time. It really kinda drained my motivation in general.

[MC Maraca]

because it is reckless and it pushes the person into the spotlight. I can't see scum willingly want to do that.

AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL
AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL AMOL

60 shots. Go die~

[MC Maraca]

Any hard liquor will do. How about midori, for that melon-y death taste.

[MC Maraca]

@MC Maraca - Just out of interest, what does AMOL mean? I Googled it but I don't think I got the right definition.

A memory of light. The game that defined this head's (cabd's) scumgame. It's on my wiki page. Doctor Jeckyl was the mod of it (as cephrir) and sangres was in it as town (the ffery head)

[MC Maraca]

if it's shots it has to be tequila, sambuca or slivka....
If I can sip and enjoy it I'll have some Islay Whisky please.... (I like Laphroaig) you can buy it

Eh I'm pretty broke. But I get a "I tip well" discount at the local bar. You fly here, and I'll take you out drinking until you get hammered beyond belief. Deal?

[MC Maraca]

Oh yeah I keep forgetting mara was/is there.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28438
Player list:
GoodCop_BadCop (hydra of cabd and prohawk)
milkshake,
MattP,
Ghostlin,
ThAdmiral,
Amrun,
Ms Marangal, (my other head here in MC Maraca)
Nero Cain,
Iecerint,
Selkies, (ffery was in this one)
Empking,
sword_of_omens
Belisarius

[MC Maraca]

Scum: Guyett.
Town: RC, AFB.

Pretty small ammount of reads but you know me and my thing with getting decent reads early on during large games.

JacobSavage [L-7] - sangres,

Sakura Hana

Guyett [L-7] - PeregrineV, RadiantCowbells

[MC Maraca]

That's GM's error. Sakura voted Guyett

Oh okay just shoddy modding. Gotcha. Post withdrawn, then.

[MC Maraca]

You haven't formed an opinion on MC Maraca?

Nope because Cabd. I'll probably do some sort of gambit somewhere midgame and try to figure it out.

IIRC you

townread him sometime day 1

in newbie 1436.

News to me.

[MC Maraca]

Yes but she also later clarified that it was a gambit and the townreasd didn't come until I acted like confirmed town on day two.

[MC Maraca]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 2&sr=posts

Just sayin

[MC Maraca]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

This always pings me. Are you really planning on meta'ing hydra heads? And if you cant tell which head is posting anyways, your analysis specific to each head will probably suck.

Spoiler:

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ILL SEND A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

THIS IS MY EGOPOST GM ITS OKAY I LOVE YOU AND IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL A PICTURE OF MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT INTO HERE

I LOVE YOU IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT FOR YOU TO EDIT

I MAKES YOU FEEL MY KAT

I MAKES KAT

IM A SK

VOTE: Cabd / MC Makara

RC could you explain this SK read to me? Why is he an SK and not group scum?

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Interesting use of the word intelligent :S - why was MVP's post noteworthy?

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

Cabd, is this you? Why are you flooding P2 with shitty questions and dumb RC quotes? Leave the shitposting to BRO and I thanks.

Because I am group scum and know for a fact that he isnt one of us, and something in the way our scumteam is set up suggests that there are no other full scumteams, but we have reason to believe that there is a SK because one of us has bulletproof.

Duh.

where did this come from?

and what are you doing?

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

[MC Maraca]

Especially from TIP

[MC Maraca]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

why do you think this, when I even tend to struggle to wrap my head around the town-plays of those I play with almost constantly?

Scum-games don't affect how I read people, usually as it is more, how to trick people and who to get mislynched over figuring out who is and isn't town which makes a world of a difference.

[MC Maraca]

If this was somehow a Cabd post then sorry and I'm very confused

It was her. No confusion for you.

[MC Maraca]

for some reason I really hate the term "agree to disagree"

like are you actually fucking agreeing or disagreeing on something?

Let's agree to disagree on that term, then!

[MC Maraca]

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

that's null stop handing out towncred like toilet paper

But maybe we think tippy is town but full of shit?

[MC Maraca]

It's time for reads lists.

Town:

17. TheIrishPope

(Meta from both of us. You can take this read to the bank and cash it)

4. sangres

(I'll probably flip flop this at least twice this game minimum, but this seems like townffery from what data I do have on her (and from being inside her head b/c morph))

6. MVP

(town, I'm avoiding applying the notsci town or scum test because the other heads may skew that, if it was notscience alone it'd be down to null at the moment)

2. Doctor Jekyll

(His paranoia about me rings like it comes from an unsure mindset aka not fabricated. I'm working on brining mara around)

15. Toomai

(Every post toonami has posted seems town to me, but admittedly I have no actual meta here besides the Harry Potter game, this is on my homework list)

Null:

16. yessiree

(His response to our vote was town as fuck IMO, but mara has reservations)

11. Angry Frat BROs

(I will likely waffle on this forever, i've been wrong about bro 2/2 times so far)

3. Sakura Hana

(It's rare for me to not have an opinion of sakura, but this is that time. She's very... distant form the game so far.)

8. Guyett

(Guyett has yet to drop his hidden signature town tell, but he hasnt done anything overly scummy either. Mara has him down as gut-scum. )

9. likeabauss

(his hatred of the buddy-style sorting is null to me, i've gotten complaints about it from both alignments in the past. Nothing else much of note in the ISO)

Scum:

5. JacobSavage

(he's posting elsewhere and lurking the fuck out of this game. Just like 165.)

12. Hermy

(I had a super early light town lean, but that's gone seriously stale and 482 was piss poor for promsiing serious content, given it's three really fucking obvious questions)

7. caledfwitch

(That was a piss poor reason/excuse to not be giving content)

Holy fuck, this player is in this game?!? Since when?!?:

13. PeregrineV

(He was VLA, i expect insight soon)

10. Rank

(What's his excuse?)

I don't care what your role card says, your ass dies if you keep doing stupid shit:

14. RadiantCowbells

(see title of this section)


UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacobSavage

[MC Maraca]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

I can't find the thread at the moment, and I can go find it if you insist, but there's a statistical study done here on mafiascum that shows the rate of replace-outs done by each alignment and each day of a game. It was a year-long study IIRC. It found no connection between alignment and replacement rate until the later days, around day 5 or so, where town replaces out more often than scum. So your entire train of thought here is based upon a false foundation.

Furthermore, what makes yessiree a better vote than Bros, in your mind? Seeing as how you're not voting for them at all.

[MC Maraca]

Sup. I'm around. I see some quesitons for me, hang on.

[MC Maraca]

Hi, orcinus. You should read the thread and post some thoughts so I can see if you're obvtown or scum. 'Cause my thoughts on you in NY165 were about as real as scumthoughts can be.

Our vote will probably remain on RadiantCowbells until he cuts the bullshit. But JS is also an acceptable vote. Cabd's list is okay, but I don't completely agree on all fronts, particularly sangres/Hana/Hermy.

~Jekyll

NEVER MENTION THAT GAME

Hey orcinus remember in 165 where we got the vig to shoot your ass dead?

[MC Maraca]

Basically, i'd rather let Cabd sort this kind of thing out considering he has more experience in being with ffery on hydra as scum.

If ffery has suddenly chosen to cast off every single fucking lesson I've taught her about being scum over our multiple morph scumgames AND our nightly google talk chats, then sure, she can be scum. Not to mention I specifically mentioned her hiding behidn the other head as a scumtell in the thread earlier. You think ffery scum sees that and goes "Well i'll be damned, better do exactly what cabd just said is a scumtell for me" ?

[MC Maraca]

Oh wait LOL LET ME DO THIS

VOTE: mc maraca

Ily <3

Pedit: Strike above

Did it hurt, when the bullet hit your skull? We had 3K do it out of love.

[MC Maraca]

shiney

Marangal/notscience/??? for the record

[MC Maraca]

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

This is the towniest thing I have ever seen, ever.

that's null stop handing out towncred like toilet paper

Do you know who TIP is, and our mafia Relationship?

Do you even

know

what he's like when he play's mafia?

STFU and let me do, what I do and I am hardly "handing out towncred like toilet paper"


Pedit: OMG Orci, haaaiiiiii

[MC Maraca]

Hey ceph let's fakeclaim masons and start a savage counterwagon of justice. Oh wait, I'm already here. Get with the program man.

[MC Maraca]

oh, you're voting us

I take back that excited greeting

Pedit: jesus christ

[MC Maraca]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

why do you think this, when I even tend to struggle to wrap my head around the town-plays of those I play with almost constantly?

Scum-games don't affect how I read people, usually as it is more, how to trick people and who to get mislynched over figuring out who is and isn't town which makes a world of a difference.

You have to look at people's town games to figure out how to mislynch them. *shrug*

And if you were, say, scumreading me here for the same reasons you were fake scumreading me in Hardboiled, you would hopefully realize those don't make sense?

If this was somehow a Cabd post then sorry and I'm very confused

~Jekyll

I don't usually use meta on people I don't know, hence, I usually don't play that way. If someone pointed out that they play that way as town I "might" back off

but, Hm. I'll keep this in mind. Generally speaking though, reasons I give to scum-read people as town compared to the reasons I give as scum to push a mislych aren't all that different as the motives behind them are.


Bauss, you went from RANKTOWN to RANKSCUM because he replaced out? why?

not to mention, that the read changed within a page?

Pedit: :/ I'm going until this stops for a bit

[MC Maraca]

Apparently I have some tell that Nat, Cabd and GM know :/

S> Guyett's secret towntell
Price> ONE BILLION DOLLLLLLARS

[MC Maraca]

5. JacobSavage - null with a scum lean. he lurks regardless of alignment. lots of fluff here. Speculation rather than content here.

This read?

[MC Maraca]

Apparently I have some tell that Nat, Cabd and GM know :/

S> Guyett's secret towntell
Price> ONE BILLION DOLLLLLLARS

I hope its not something stupid like I get drunk as town as I'm sure I do that as scum too

Bitch please, as if my tells would be something that stupid.

[MC Maraca]

You seriously calling Guyett scum because of AtE?

I would like to take you back to Mother bangers, Pigey.

[MC Maraca]

Go check his ISO from new york 165 (I was in this one with him) and from Coug's Theme game (death island iirc), and then come back and tell me it's not similar.

[MC Maraca]

now get fucked AP

Did last night, thanks.

good for you.. hope you caught something

He's gay lol. They use more protection than us normals.

[MC Maraca]

I think the AtE is from town.

[MC Maraca]

He's gay lol. They use more protection than us normals.

They use more protection than us normals.

than us normals.

us normals.

p-edit: You aren't that dense Cabd.

That wasn't cabd.

[MC Maraca]

He's gay lol. They use more protection than us normals.

They use more protection than us normals.

than us normals.

us normals.

Read the sig.

[MC Maraca]

He's gay lol. They use more protection than us normals.

They use more protection than us normals.

than us normals.

us normals.

p-edit: You aren't that dense Cabd.

That wasn't cabd.

Oh lol. Hi Mara. What is your Guyett and Jekyll reaqds, stat.

Cabd's a bully, and he's bullied me out of my Jekyll scum read. Guyett is still unsure, maybe a town-lean. don't know why he's getting a wagon

[MC Maraca]

Okay so at first I thought you were just floating the theory to see who bites. But obviously you're serious about this.
Let me grab my checklist.

[MC Maraca]

Your theory about this slot advocates a(n)

( ) insightful

(X) interesting

( ) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to reading it. Your method will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from player to player)

( ) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.

(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It does not account for other potential reasons to replace out
(X) Your solution speculates as to motives not apparent to everyone
(X) Your theory requires us to treat you as confirmed town
(X) My read disagrees with the slot being "obvscum"
(X) WIFOM says the player would have known you'd do this if it was scum
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want since it's only your word

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) The claim from that slot
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
( ) Nobody trusts you
( ) Unpopularity of new gambits

(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics

( ) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
( ) Willingness of players to give you a chance
( ) People who hate your play
( ) Scum safeclaims given by mod

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown reliable

( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) Flavor Gambits suck

(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?

( ) Incompatibility with the current player base
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it's a viable tell.

( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

[MC Maraca]

Hey Cabd can i steal that checklist?

http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

[MC Maraca]

Thanks

Since you're here, updated reads from the past few pages?

[MC Maraca]

It's one of the signature posts I make when I think somebody is spouting a theory that is shit/baseless/unconfirmable. I can link you past instances of its use if you wish. I've stalked you and rank playing together, I've read your TV hydrae games.

[MC Maraca]

I've stalked you and rank playing together, I've read your TV hydrae games.

This is you subtly suggesting that you understand and know me. And it positions you as informed about my play and style. What is the real purpose of this statement? I know that you have read me.

This statement was made entirely to convince other players that they should trust your opinion on me. You slid it in at the end of a completely unrelated point (your checklist usage.) You're actively setting up to discredit me rather than explore my lines of thinking. This is highly anti-town and likely scum.

I can't see another scenario.

Especially from you

.

WRT the bolded I thought you'd never played with the cabd-head. Now all of a sudden you can tell me what you'd expect from it?

You actively ignored me when I brought up that your statistical basis for your read was flawed, and you proceeded to ignore me. Generally posting a checklist calling a plan dumb tends to grab more attention.

Your "rank must be scum because he replaced out" theory has several holes in it, and you're telling us that we should just sheep you onto it. I don't sheep flawed logic.

And I DO want people to understand that I feel your logic is flawed. Because it is. So yes, consider this an attempt to discredit your logic because I feel it's not correct.

[MC Maraca]

Do I fucking look like mara to you?

[MC Maraca]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

[MC Maraca]

Hi notscience.

[MC Maraca]

And oi, i'm the prettier girl.

[MC Maraca]

You've asked me to follow your lead on Rank, but before I could even post you decide that my partner is me and call us scum based on what I am supposedly doing?

[MC Maraca]

I realize that you and Rank are like two peas in a pod and that you are AHMAYZING at reading him, but even then there is still the possibility that you could be wrong and the fact that you are basing it off something so basic as "him replacing out means he is scum" isn't enough for me to drop Rank/APro down to scum.

I am well versed with TIP, but I have been wrong on him before and my mistake has gotten him mislynched before. Nacho would also attest to being able to read me superbly well, yet he's mislynched me more times than I could count on my hands, as well as wrongfully defended.

I'm all for psychobabble, though I don't think Rank replacing out is alignment indicative. I don't really believe that at all, and it took three people asking you for a case on him to actually make it.

You fail to bring up possible IRL issues that could lead to him replacing out. it isn't always game related things, and yeah he enjoy's playing town, but that doesn't mean he can't have a slow start nor does it mean he will be superbly awesome by the time D2 comes around.

[MC Maraca]

you also know that, I'm not afraid to bus and would probably do it in this situation as well so

considering that I havn't posted in the last 24some hours, why are we scum?

[MC Maraca]

that was Cabd

not me.

[MC Maraca]

No we havn't

and I didn't post since you've "asked" that

[MC Maraca]

like, we've literally have only played one game together, and that was the newbie game we were both scum in.

[MC Maraca]

We've cleaned house together previously, and when you asked me for my vote or some time in other games, I gave it.

so where the hell is this coming from?

[MC Maraca]

Mara, just because I don't mention his RL stuff doesn't mean I'm not aware of it. Dude read the 100 page D1 game on his honeymoon and we lynched scum D1.

P-edit: So, where's the vote I asked for? You're here now. Back me up. Rally some other people too (I think there are some people here that will back you if you ask.) Help me lynch scum. Or at the very least help me scum hunt.

He's like a million votes from hanging and you won't even heat him up with a vote. What. The. Literal. fuck. You are scum.

I'm not asking for a hammer for Gods sake. I'm asking townies to pile some votes on a guy who is L-7 or L-8 which might as well be L-1 million.

I still don't know where I have backed you up before, and I'm still preeeetttyyyy certain that I have had only one game with you.

our vote is on someone we both think is scum, I would have tried to hang ceph forever ago, but Cabd doesn't want that. I'm not hanging rank/Orci because Orci looks town

and, you aren't even on orci. You are on APro, who you think is scum because...?

I don't even understand the case, nor how it can't apply to town who think they are being wrongly accused

You've mentioned the Guyett town Counterwagon, but completely ignore the fact that Jacob has gotten a wagon just as fast. why?

[MC Maraca]

and you are calling me scum and asking me for help within the same post, while ignoring my question :/

[MC Maraca]

Fuck knows, I've been skimming just trying to keep up. What I've gathered though

Likeabuss's claim to be able to read Rank seems town as fuck, however I'm not sure how valid his read is.

I like yessire's thoughts on wake. From what I've seen of him this replace out does seem totally not himself.

sangres seems to have a hard on for me, not sure why, must be so pretty.

Orc appears to be flailing a little with Buss push on him and try's to defend far to hard against something he can't.

Guyett seems town because of his relaxed attitute, he's actively calling people out and to me he's either motivated town or Serial Killer (tend to be more motivated anyway). TIP doesn't seem to be taking as much of a lead as one would expect, this could be the sheer volume of posts thats been happening or it could be the fact that there are bigger names that him, but either way he's one to watch out for.

anyone that could tell me why this has a high chance of being a scumpost will get... Candy... or something

maybe marameta points

[MC Maraca]

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

That one terrible misrep from Cabd is enough for me. And Purple defending it with "I didn't do it. Cabd did."

what terrible misrep?

AND OHMAIGOD

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE

[MC Maraca]

He's avoided taking a stance on FratBros and MC Maraca.

you're kidding me. he was one of the first people we pushed

and no, Sakura

[MC Maraca]

*we were one of the first people he pushed

[MC Maraca]

Uhmm...

I'll come back at a later date if it's alright with you guys

[MC Maraca]

Frat Bros
Guyett

Town BTW. Would like for this fight to diffuse now, and for this conversation to not be taken any further.

[MC Maraca]

Bauss

if you want my support, you're going to have to find someone who isn't

Guyett/Orci/Fratbros/possiblyYes

because, I really cannot scum-read all this genuine as fuck emotion that's going around

[MC Maraca]

Dear Cephrir,

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

Look. I'm not lynching orcinus on this shaky a basis. I thought there might be something to that but it's not sufficient. If TIP wants to stop pussyfooting around and come out and claim daycop, he can come out and fucking claim daycop. It's not like there was anything subtle going on there and I refuse to believe anyone can have possibly not noticed it.

In conclusion, no.

Love,
Ceph

If tippy claimed daycop that would be quite nice given the whole "normal game illegal role" thing so there's that. I'm in full support of the mentality that the case is based upon faulty grounds, though.

Don't replace out. I'm also really angry right now.

I'm taking a step back and not posting here for a bit.

^In case anyone thought they were scum, I've yet to see scum-bro get this heated ever. He's calm and cool and collected, flows with the town. Blowing several pages up with pissed off fevor is not something he'd do.

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

That I haven't been around? Sorry to disappoint you, my love, but lynx came over and she's a tad more real than mafiascum.net is.

V/LA done.

I'll vote for whichever of o_to or AFB is necessary to lynch, since I believe fairly solidy at this point that likeabauss is town. If either target happens to be town we can just lynch him Day 2 since I see no way there's a bus here.

...Lol. You lining up lynches?

Uhmm...

I'll come back at a later date if it's alright with you guys

That was mara but I can't blame her. She can't stand town on town ATE, and that's exactly what that AFB-Guy fight looked like.

Frat Bros
Guyett

Town BTW. Would like for this fight to diffuse now, and for this conversation to not be taken any further.

Oh hey she beat me to it!

Do I need to get proactive here? I am starting to think I need to get proactive here. This day is going to hell in a handbasket.

You do. I'll make you a map:
Start----->Realize your scumread on maracabd is wrong------->lynch Jacob-scum----->party

VOTE: Angry Frat Br0s

I think Orcinus is town and I follow his reasoning.

This guy is way too defensive in his own right, so my vote goes here.

You do not get to just start posting. You are going to explain what in the sweet, everloving fuck you have been doing for three quarters of this game.

I don't know about the flu thing, but I didn't like the lack of followup to a supposed "reaction test" set of posts.

Pretty much that.

Y'know what likeabauss? Fine. You'll get what you want. If Orci flips scum then... well done. If he flips town then you get lynched. Alright?

VOTE: Orci

This makes me physically ill.

VOTE: Angry Frat Br0s

I think Orcinus is town and I follow his reasoning.

This guy is way too defensive in his own right, so my vote goes here.

You do not get to just start posting. You are going to explain what in the sweet, everloving fuck you have been doing for three quarters of this game.

HEY RC

HEY

LISTEN

TALK WORDS NOW

THANKS

I laughed.

Ok so I'm going to keep playing. Not sure I like some of the people on the AFB wagon but I still think he's scum :/

^Tell me scum guyett would have made that post. Go on, I'll wait.

It's scummy for him to ignore me when I push on him, although slow Jacob reactions wouldn't exactly be a surprise.

What was this even supposed to mean?

Man I love the deep personal and unique insight you bring to this game.

Summary of JacobSavage's iso:

__________________________

Dammit ceph you owe me a new can of soda and possibly a new set of monitor wipes.

I don't like the above post.

you know what? your opinion doesn't matter

if i were a vig i'd vig ur ass so we dont have the breathe the same air

^Okay so yes is town then.


p-edit: you impatient lout, if you want answers here I am.

[MC Maraca]

It's time for reads lists.

Town:

17. TheIrishPope

(Meta from both of us. You can take this read to the bank and cash it)

4. sangres

(Read is solidifying into steady town, subject to change but like it here right now.)

8. Guyett

(See TIP read, formerly null)

2. Cephrir

(His paranoia about me while justified, is wrong this time around. Still town.)

11. Angry Frat BROs

(That posting by BRO was town as fuck, formerly null)

16. yessiree

(His response to our vote was town as fuck IMO, same with the ATE things; formerly null)

Bauss

(Wrong does not a scum make.)

Null:

15. Toomai

(This has slid down from town for the terrible posting recently)

Orcinus

(I'll have ffery sort this one, mostly, if I satisfy myself of fferytown. He's fooled me once (xenoblade) and I've fooled him once (NY165) but I don't know for sure yet which is which. His utter righteousness did ring kinda legit.)

6. MVP

(Now that I know your other two heads (i think) I'm not able to give you the same blank town-check as I would have thinking it was notsci and players like him. Interesting group, though, I must say, if my guess is right.)

7. caledfwitch

(A meta check shows this lurkfuckery is not alignment indicative. Formerly scum.)

14. RadiantCowbells

(ceph has questions. Answer the evil looking man with the claws. What did your reaction test ACTUALLY do for you?)

Scum:

3. Sakura Hana

(Her lack of engagement except to pop in and get a free post or two is not something I expect from sakura as town, formerly null.)

5. JacobSavage

(he's posting elsewhere and lurking the fuck out of this game. Just like 165. His ISO is shit.)

12. Hermy

(So where's that fucking "serious content" you promised pages ago?)

Holy fuck, this player is in this game?!? Since when?!?:

13. PeregrineV

(Still nothing holy shit come on and play, pere)

Updated

[MC Maraca]

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

That I haven't been around? Sorry to disappoint you, my love, but lynx came over and she's a tad more real than mafiascum.net is.

p-edit: you impatient lout, if you want answers here I am.

That's not it. That's not even close.

Let's deal with them one by one. y u no reaction test?

You try making a day's work of reaction testing in this noise. Not to mention, it's day one in a normal game. I can't go claiming something amazing when we're restricted to normal roles. Fakehammers require a L-1 wagon that I'm on it near the start. Most other gambits don't work util several days in. I'm sure I'll manage something for you soon enough, so you'll just have to wait and see (and probably play along when you see it).

[MC Maraca]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

[MC Maraca]

Do I fucking look like mara to you?

Is Mara not a head in that Hydra? Cabd and Mara? Correct me if I'm wrong. My apologies if I am.

That was not why I posted that and you know it. If you're going to only engage one head of this hydra, fine, whatever, but you've got to accept that we're not always online at the same time, and asking an "in the moment" question when that head isn't there is gonna make me think you're having head confusion whiplash.

You reframed the logic instead of answering my questions. If I'm the most knowledgeable guy in the room about Rank, why was your first reaction to discredit?

Does most knowledgable on somebody make you a god at reading them? I'm trying to boil down the logical steps that made you go from a townread on rank to "omg rank slot is scum" when I've yet to see any evidence even sugguesting that notion. I could say "oh well ffery and I play a ton together, my read of her is perfect everyone sheep me or claim scum" but it's not. We've gotten each other wrong several times.

If you were town, why wouldn't you push on Orcinus instead of discredit my argument?

I can make silly questions too. Watch. "If you were town, wouldn't you explain your thought process about this read, instead of just asking for sheep?" I discredit moronic plans/arguments/shit all the time. I did it to varsoon in blade, I'm doing it to you here.

Do you have such a strong town read on that slot that you instantly thought "No way, Bauss is scum and/or retarded."

Do I have to have a strong townread on a slot to think that an argument about their alignment is shit? I do not.

I mean, its D1 and us townies need to find scum. All you did in this instance is discredit a potentially valuable read (or piece of info about player/slot) instead of exploring it.

This it filler so I'm ignoring it, by the way.

[MC Maraca]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

Except for when you fakehammer multiple times in one game? Then again, you were scum.

Thirdkoopa and...??? I only recall fakehammering once. Am I forgetting one? I remember the fakehammer+"oh hey shadi bulba is vengeful and shot you" as my major gambits of that game, the "roleblocker who lets cop and vig use their roles" thing aside.

[MC Maraca]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

Maybe so, but you know that I at least will play along if I recognize what's up. I didn't realize there are so many players who know your little ways in this playerlist.

My braging mouth constantly talking about them everywhere doesn't help much either with flying under the radar. Eventually, me NOT gambiting will be a gambit in and of itself.

It seems a little premature to be handing us a townread.

Too bad. Deal with it.

[MC Maraca]

I already explained part of it. As for the rest, wouldn't you like to know?

[MC Maraca]

Also that town list isn't tiered.

[MC Maraca]

Cephrir double posting like a boss.

[MC Maraca]

Basically, i'd rather let Cabd sort this kind of thing out considering he has more experience in being with ffery on hydra as scum.

If ffery has suddenly chosen to cast off every single fucking lesson I've taught her about being scum over our multiple morph scumgames AND our nightly google talk chats, then sure, she can be scum. Not to mention I specifically mentioned her hiding behidn the other head as a scumtell in the thread earlier. You think ffery scum sees that and goes "Well i'll be damned, better do exactly what cabd just said is a scumtell for me" ?

This was the start of the read getting serious, yes.

[MC Maraca]

Mara, that feels like a cop out and that makes me a sad panda.

I'm not asking for your support just to get a lynch

or lead a charge! (I'm actually insulted at the insinuation.)

I'm only asking for your support to lynch FratBoys, because of my confidence in my read

. I could play 10 more games and not have a read I feel so strongly about. This sort of vote whoring is not something I do often or take lightly.

How about you just help me lynch FratBros so we can end this day and start fresh tomorrow? I'll take any vote, it doesn't have to be principled or committed to the cause. Frivolous or frustrated is fine. He's a tough one to lynch, I know. But I'm going to give it all I've got and your vote would help speed things along.

FratBros, don't call me retarded ever again. K thx bai.

those two are one in the same

and I really, cannot read all of this genuine emotion as scum.
I can't support a FratBoys lynch

I can support an Orci-lynch though

[MC Maraca]

Why don't you tell me what you think of Jacob?

[MC Maraca]

Why don't you tell me what you think of Jacob?

Hello.

[MC Maraca]

Y'know what likeabauss? Fine. You'll get what you want. If Orci flips scum then... well done. If he flips town then you get lynched. Alright?

VOTE: Orci

This makes me physically ill.

VOTE: Angry Frat Br0s

I think Orcinus is town and I follow his reasoning.

This guy is way too defensive in his own right, so my vote goes here.

You do not get to just start posting. You are going to explain what in the sweet, everloving fuck you have been doing for three quarters of this game.

HEY RC

HEY

LISTEN

TALK WORDS NOW

THANKS

Annie is way cuter than Teemo.

VOTE: RC

[MC Maraca]

I, like my avatar, suck early and scale well into late game.

Doesn't she actually do the opposite of that v.v

I was gonna say, level one jungle annie is a thing for teamfights. 'Dat W.

[MC Maraca]

Um..

I'm back

Bauss, we have a week left.

I've spent the entire game trying to work with you, but you really aren't working with anyone who isn't going to do what you wanna do. Game doesn't work like that, You've asked me to sheep but I've expressed reservations on your chosen wagon.

You said you don't do this vote hogging thing often, but I talked with cabd a bit and I think he's mentioned something about you tunneling town somewhere.

Our vote is apparently moved to some herpaderp that I don't really agree with

and I've asked you what you think of Jacob, and who outside you're tunneling atm, is scum.

I've stated that I think AFB and Guyett are town because of the AtE back and forth but you pay no attention to that while STILL asking me to vote AFB. Not going to vote someone I think is scum, but I am willing to compromise

not entirely set on Orci, but he isn't as strong a townie I know he can be so I would be willing to compromise there

what do You think of Nacho/ffery?

what about those that aren't invested in this game?

UNVOTE:

[MC Maraca]

You're:
A) implying that I'm not qualified to have expectations of your play because I haven't played a game with you
B) in an argument where you're discrediting my read of somebody I've played a ton of games with
C) after positioning yourself as knowledgeable about Me and Rank because you've READ a few of our games

A: You're welcome to have expectations of me if you can tell me what games of mine you've read; and what your model of towncabd and scumcabd look like.

B: I am because you're being a tunnel shitlord that makes the lovechild of notscience and pre-reform wisdom look like an old friendly granny

C: See my answer to (A)

[MC Maraca]

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

[MC Maraca]

If Orc flips scum, I'm thinking TIP partner. His "claim now bro" looks like coaching a

scumbuddy

*not* to get derphammered, and then blowing Guyett's reaction-test looks like trying to make sure Orc doesn't have a shit reaction.

Orc's last few pages have been meh; I was expecting a lot more after he got back from V/LA.

Intent to hammer here.

...
Yessiree and Bauss coming out immediately to try to strongarm town into pushing the

mislynch

is scummy, ftr. Bauss's insistence on posting high-level conjecture about Rank's play, while not addressing Orc's play with substance, is scummy.

...

TIP's vote jump is awkward as fuck, and looks scummy, but it wouldn't work with yessiree/bauss's push for the lynch.

Sakura Hana looking super-town these past few pages.

A blunt transition from Intention to hammer a

scumread

to defending a perceived

mislynch

my townread on you is diminishing

I never called Orc a scumread, did I? I kept my read on Orc ambiguous intentionally to prevent a derphammer.

Also, I don't lynch un-CC'd PRs.

ambiguity does not come from town

did you not just play a game with nacho/mara hydra where we were ambiguous with our claim when we were ran up?

[MC Maraca]

what question did cabd not answer?

I've been trying to work with you all game bud, and I explained why I think AFB are town

and, you are trying to lynch an Un-cc'd PR like, the hell?

[MC Maraca]

I'm done with this game.

someone call me when town is ready to start working together, because it obviously isn't going to happen today no matter how hard I try and make that happen

[MC Maraca]

I would support Jacob, he is still fairly strong though, Caled is just policy at this point

[MC Maraca]

and Jacob doesn't even have a wagon anymore :/

will not support Bauss, and not going to support Orci

[MC Maraca]

Notsci. You around? I have an idea I want to talk over with you.

[MC Maraca]

Remember that thing prohawk did in skype mafia with you and Sven? I'm thinking it might work here.

[MC Maraca]

I'll discuss it with everyone then. Gimmie an hour or two to shower and stuff. I think it optimizes the play for today.

[MC Maraca]

why do you gotta take hours to shower

I use the shower to fill the tub and then soak in it. I find it quite relaxing. Anyways, onto business.

[MC Maraca]

This is a method of dealing with cop claims that come early in games that works really well. It's adapted mostly from a player's notes on my homesite (Her name is gaia) but several other players use it; most recently, prohawk used it to great success to deal with the cop claim and counterclaims from Notscience and Sven in Skype mafia.

1. When two players claim the role of Cop, they are lynch immune for at least one Day, No Vote (Vote: Nobody) should be made that Day. (Cabd note: I prefer a PL on day one)


2. When more than two players claim the role of Cop, lynch any one of them immediately. You are more likely to lynch scum than town. Then, play out the previous dot point. If you lynch the Cop, the other two are scum.


3. When more than two players claim the role of Cop, and then players retract their claims, players who retracted are null reads.


4. When multiple results give a Guilty result, the named player is considered Guilty beyond all doubt.

5. When multiple results give a Clear result, the named player is Clear beyond all doubt and should be considered so for the rest of the game except when a Godfather may exist, Clear results must be considered null or tentative.

6. When two Cops claim Roleblocked at any time, a Roleblocker is said to exist.


Fact of the matter is, a counterclaim would shift this into a prisoner's dilemma for the scumteam, no matter which of the claim or the counterclaim is not legitimate. (I personally substitute policy lynches for a no lynch but eh) If anyone wants me to explain why this works I can but I think it is kind of self explanatory when we go at it. Fact of the matter is, I'm not lynching a cop claim on day one when it'll work itself out at night by itself, and if he is a cop we've denied ourselves the chance at results.

The point of leaving the cops alive is that someone gets killed and the cops get more results. So when you do eventually flip one, more results are available, more analysis can be done etc. Plus it can force the mafia to confirm a Townie. And it means that one mafia vote is basically forced to vote with Town which can help and also be analysed. There are more setup-specific reasons why it's best to keep Cops alive for a while and in particular in closed setups, Cops should always be alive.

I'm looking this over and I think it works even if orcinus does end up being a fake cop and a real one is hiding somewhere. (For the record, I think he's legit and you guys are letting scum push a cop lynch)

[MC Maraca]

Protip: It's better for the real cop to be NKed than MLed.

And yet you're totally still voting the cop claim.

[MC Maraca]

..You didn't even fucking read the logic wall, did you?

[MC Maraca]

From your point of view: Orcinus is scum, there's a real cop hiding out there somewhere, right? The note the bolded.

The point of leaving the cops alive is that someone gets killed and the cops get more results. So when you do eventually flip one, more results are available, more analysis can be done etc.

Plus it can force the mafia to confirm a Townie. And it means that one mafia vote is basically forced to vote with Town which can help and also be analysed.

There are more setup-specific reasons why it's best to keep Cops alive for a while and in particular in closed setups, Cops should always be alive.

TIP hit on this earlier.

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE: orc
Guys, guys! Don't you see how beneficial this is to us? If he's real town cop, good! Results, Mafia, all that shit!
If he's Mafia, his fake reports still have to be truthful! He gives us innocent people! Come on guys!
Was anyone here in a Walking Dead? Did you see my fake cop claim? Exactly!
This is the bee's knees for us!

^Tip gets the idea.

[MC Maraca]

There isn't necessarily a real cop hiding out there somewhere.

Why do you even think there's a cop in the setup?

Substitute "cop" for "investigative role" if you wish. 17 player game is gonna have some sort of strong investigative role in it. It would be really weird if it didn't. Compare prior 17P games here if you want. Red wedding had town JOAT (with a cop shot), commuter, cop (flavored), lovers, for one example.

[MC Maraca]

Unvote orcinus please

Finally a sane fucker. Hi tippy.

[MC Maraca]

Then we're at an impasse.

Do you only have those two scumreads?

[MC Maraca]

I'll admit, varsoon, you made me smile.

Phoneposting, GM, will quote these as maraca later I promise.

I do want to know how me pointing out called can't keep her shit straight is a misrep though!

If it was a complete policy lynch, my vote would be on cowbells.

Quoted for ISO

[MC Maraca]

So I expect every single one of you fuckers to proxy your vote to me tomorrow, once he flips cop.

[MC Maraca]

Also no fucking shit I don't want to lynch my townreads. Big fucking surprise.

This game has essentially become the bauss personality hour and it's so frustrating.

[MC Maraca]

that's a deal if you hammer

I'm not having any part in this lynch. Convince some idiot to do it.

[MC Maraca]

Like we're throwing fucking mafia theory AND COMMON FUCKING SENSE out the window because of some meta reason bauss can't even cite for shit?!?

I refuse to touch this shit with a twenty foot pole.

[MC Maraca]

And even if orcinus is scum (which I highly highly doubt). You fucking leash the cop claim. It's just like leashing a SK. Force them to clear people. To survive the long run, theoretical orcinus-scum has to get town results on town players; or fuck himself over and get lynched instantly when he declares a scum result in a 1v1 with the target.

[MC Maraca]

Ceph, who do you like for scum, since you're kinda iffy on caled?

[MC Maraca]

My money is on the actual scum avoiding taking sides in this debate and letting the noise cover them, while splitting the push on the cop with the counterwagon(s).

[MC Maraca]

JS, Toomai, outside chance of Sakura/bauss/caled. Feeling better about you than I was before.

Not sakura, her slot has gotten better over time methinks. I can't read bauss for shit, mostly because I see his avatar and skip the post lest I raise my blood pressure. He could be doing what you did in 165, or he could be misguided town that has his head up his arse due to "omg meta on rank that's like almost a trust tell guyz" JS is more a PL than anything? I still think caled is scum but apparently MVP's townread means I'm automatically wrong.

[MC Maraca]

He clears 3 greens, one of which is god father. Town proceeds to fuck over itself.

Yeah but then when he eventually dies and flips scum, you re-evaluate from there. Also, mod meta, iirc, says GM dislikes roles that lie to other roles like miller and godfather. Let me go check.

[MC Maraca]

You do realize orc can just go and clear his partners if he's scum right?

Unvote
Vote: orc

Sorry for my previous posts but didnt have anything interesting to say since every1 had already covered what I was going to say anyway =/

That's L-1 btw.

I'm well aware, sakura. You're totally ignoring the case of he's town. The whole point of leashing like that. Is to let the night kills deal with him. Not fucking lynching the potential cop day one.

[MC Maraca]

Cabd, it doesn't have to be a genuine godfather. For example, he can clear 2 towns and 1 goon.

See above. You're ignoring the case of "he's town and you're about to fucking lynch the cop"

[MC Maraca]

Cops dont act scummy.

Bullshit. Cops get mislynched. Their role doesn't magically make them immune to being mislynched. Especially on day one where they're effectively vanilla since, you know, no results.

[MC Maraca]

Not sakura, her slot has gotten better over time methinks.

I'd like to revoke this sentence.

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE

We've got more to post.

Don't fucking hammer before we're finish.

You. You of all people should fucking get why leashing is ideal regardless of orcinus's alignment. The fact that you don't is making my prior town as fuck read cry. This isn't the same ffery I faked a cop innocent on in paradox.

[MC Maraca]

Cops dont act scummy.

This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen

Cool that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sakura

[MC Maraca]

Cops dont act scummy.

Town-Sakura is many things. This dumb, she is not.

And that little ATE about lynching her is one of the worst emulations of her town ATE I've seen in a long time.

[MC Maraca]

How do you determine whether you're playing follow the cop with a scum "cop"? Your scenarios were all predicated on counter-claims.

I have a pretty good theory of what happens if orcinus-scum, minus the more obvious thought of mine that this is town orcinus getting railroaded from all sides.

[MC Maraca]

Surely you must realize that's pretty much a list of who is and who is not sheeping you

CEPH, I'VE NEVER LOVED YOU MORE IN MY LIFE

SORRY FOR SUSPECTING YOU EARLIER

[MC Maraca]

I swear to arceus this "lynch the claimed cop" vs. "let scum nightkills sort it the fuck out" debate parallels my RQS about leashing a SK. But several players flipped their answers... Which is interesting. Let me go grab the responses.

[MC Maraca]

UNVOTE

We've got more to post.

Don't fucking hammer before we're finish.

You. You of all people should fucking get why leashing is ideal regardless of orcinus's alignment. The fact that you don't is making my prior town as fuck read cry. This isn't the same ffery I faked a cop innocent on in paradox.

I keep coming back to this post because I feel like I'm missing something. What does your fake cop inno gambit in that game have to do with this one?

It was merely an indicator of my townread on you being less strong than it was at its peak in this game.

[MC Maraca]

Surely you must realize that's pretty much a list of who is and who is not sheeping you

CEPH, I'VE NEVER LOVED YOU MORE IN MY LIFE

SORRY FOR SUSPECTING YOU EARLIER

Oh hai mara.

[MC Maraca]

So, I'm back...

and catching up, but I still don't really understand why we are lynching a claimed cop without a counter-claim. Yeah, Orci could be scum but he could be the real cop and can clear players. If Orci does, so happen end up being scum, it isn't beneficial for him to clear members because it'll paint a target on them should they survive for more than a few days after his death

[MC Maraca]

Lynch or leash?

RQS!!! U MUSTZ BE SCUM

It depends. But I think SK should be leashed most of the time. (The exception being the situation where it is pointless to leave SK alive, e.g. almost-town-autowin)

-L. J.

Just to clarify, if we ever come across a debacle whether to lynch or leash claimed SK, I'll be vehemently in favor of breaking its neck.

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

We think leash in the short run, and kill immediately upon deviation. We also feel like it's probably a moot point.

Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

What was the reasoning behind this? I've seen respectable players do it because they know the game is winnable if they do so.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

Honor, most third parties would rather see town win the mafia win plus there is always the chance that the town massively cock ups and they can win.

@GM: Can you PM everyone with a day start PM?

Fiiiine.

Depends if you can make scum waste a bullet on it.

Just to clarify, I've been leashed when I was investigated as guilty, but single handedly got a scum lynched so everyone assumed I was SK but was actually third party Arsonist, and everyone kept telling me to NK or they'd lynch me, so I ended up just dousing and igniting day 5 for a win.

It makes me very leery of leashing people.

It sounds like the problem was that you got to day 5 without delivering a night kill. That's poor town management of a leashed claimed SK.

^ responses to the "leash or lynch SK" question

[MC Maraca]

Assume that I'm right and he's scum. How does leaving him alive work out as a net positive? I'm really not seeing it.

Giving him multiple days means he at most clears like one buddy, which will be evident when said town clears don't start popping up dead. I think somebody else said this already, let me see if I can find it.

[MC Maraca]

I swear to arceus this "lynch the claimed cop" vs. "let scum nightkills sort it the fuck out" debate parallels my RQS about leashing a SK. But several players flipped their answers... Which is interesting. Let me go grab the responses.

The point of leashing an SK is that they have a confirmable killing people power that sorts people out with 100% reliability, and the night actions used during the night aren't completely useless when they flip anti-town. The cop question is something else entirely.

Please refer to 1975, TIA.

[MC Maraca]

Assume that I'm right and he's scum. How does leaving him alive work out as a net positive? I'm really not seeing it.

Giving him multiple days means he at most clears like one buddy, which will be evident when said town clears don't start popping up dead. I think somebody else said this already, let me see if I can find it.

How many game days does town have to fuck around?

I'll make up my mind tonight, and if we're lynching him, we can lynch him tomorrow.

[MC Maraca]

I'll be pretty sure of his legitamacy or not then.

[MC Maraca]

I'm done with this game.

someone call me when town is ready to start working together, because it obviously isn't going to happen today no matter how hard I try and make that happen

try harder

also, why are you passing off the possibility that scums are muddying the waters, but going straight to pure internal conflicts

because, at this point, the one I'm most fustrated with was Bauss and He's been town as fuck. there is nothing in this game hat reminds me of how he played when he was my buddy, AND he has the righteous-town attitude even if he isn't listening to anyone else and is calling everyone who argues with him scum

Bauss: BP can, and usually is, scum (IME) and, as a safe-claim is more likely than a cop claim anyway. also, as a PR you want to stop your lynch from going through, claiming Vanilla or BP isn't going to make that happen.

[MC Maraca]

Sweet, fucking jesus

AFB has gotten even TOWNIER since I have left. like, holy crap

[MC Maraca]

HEY BAUSS

link me to where you've explained you're read on us and Ceph because, I can't find either

[MC Maraca]

LIKE, I ISO'D YOU AND I STILL CAN'T FIND IT

BUT OMGGG

I saw a post, where you were griping on how everyone just suddenly accepted my read on TIP

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I BACK UP MY REASONS

AND, I HAVE HAD GAMES WHERE I HAVE HAD TO FIGHT FOR HIM ANYWAY

so, you aren't alone in that "why won't anyone listen to me when I'm right" department

[MC Maraca]

and, you still havn't told me about all those things I was wondering about earlier.

still havn't taken into consideration that, I am town-reading BRO's and that I have said that I was willing to move our vote on Orci (though I needed to talk about him with Cabd first) and it should be pretty damn clear on why that is no longer an option

and there is the little thing where, you say I'm not showing you my love this game but, I am. I'm also just really, really fustrated with you, and I said I loved you in our scum game not because you bussed me, but how you handled the game after I died. it had nothing to do with our relationship

AND ON THE SUBJECT OF MY SCUM GAME, you already know that I don't ignore buddies and I do bus when it is optimal to do so (which would have been now if Orci and I were buddies) and you know that I'm not scared to do so. You know that I'm not scared to attack people who have a fair amount of experience with me and that I would treat everyone just about the same. I don't have a tendency to hard-defend, unless I have a good reason to but you aren't taking any of those into consideration, why?

Pedit: uummmm... IDK, I'm talking to him about it but, if it matters I still you think have a good chance of being town

[MC Maraca]

I SAID SUM CASE ON US AND CEPH

Whelp

No stupid achievement for me.

I am on my phone but I will come back later today. I get your meta read on rank but that isn't what I asked for

[MC Maraca]

Attention people voting orcinus:

If shit is faked ill know tomorrow.

Thank you.

If I soft any harder I think i'll dissolve in the rain holy fuck.

A: you're dumb
B: not quite

^For ISO

Cabdy, you know you're in a hydra right...

Also VOTE: Sakura I'm not voting Orc, like ever.

I do, but my phone doesn't!

[MC Maraca]

Cabd seems to be claiming role cop.

Also if this thing is town it's antitown as fuck so I would SO be down to flash policy.

[MC Maraca]

Orcinus made an action of the killing type. At dinner with family but yeah.

[MC Maraca]

Not saying who, but we have a protective role out there. More when I don't have a fever.

[MC Maraca]

Wow

WTF happened

lol

[MC Maraca]

I just remembered this game exists hi!

Catching up.

[MC Maraca]

Tippy, is your vote policy; a scumread; or both?

[MC Maraca]

VOTE: orc

VOTE: sak
Site was down so we should get a short extension.
Dont want to lynch an un cc'd cop today

Why the 180 when orcinus was a very viable lynch day one?

[MC Maraca]

Holy shit I even claimed i'd be following him night one during day one. Like five fucking times.

[MC Maraca]

Sure, we can jump down the wifom rabit hole if you'd like. It's not like i'd ever over-state the strength of something I have to gambit up some slipping. I definately didn't actually have a no action result on orcinus night one.

[MC Maraca]

what the actual FUCK is post 2257.

Magical unicorns.

[MC Maraca]

Would you like the list?

[MC Maraca]

That has nothing to do. AFB is Town.

Don't worry tippy I undermean what you stand. I don't think those two would get it short of you beating it into them.

[MC Maraca]

Holy shit I even claimed i'd be following him night one during day one. Like five fucking times.

There is one inconsistency with your claim on day 1, when you said

Attention people voting orcinus:

If shit is faked ill know tomorrow.

Thank you.

because

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's alignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

Ummmmm....

I think I get where you're going with this pere, and if it is what I think it is, you're following a false conclusion.

[MC Maraca]

The protective role should claim.
1. If no protective role claims, we lynch Maraca.
2. If a protective role claims, we have two confirmed Town and scum have to decide who to kill.
a. If they try to kill Maraca, protective role has a chance to protect them, which WIFOMs the shit out of Mafia.
b. If they try to kill the protective role, Maraca gets another night.

Plus Maraca already knows who it is, so he can call out whoever fakeclaims.

That, however, is a bad idea and can wait until later. No fucking way I'm outing the protective today. You realize my role is incredibly weak, right? Like it's weaker than tracker. Even if I live, I've got at best a {playersalive-1} chance of hitting the killer should I survive the night.

[MC Maraca]

Remember what mattp did in walking dead, tippy? We need to do that I think.

[MC Maraca]

I've already kinda crumbed at my target form last night and they've waved back. I won't explain it more than that but I'm pretty comfy with them.

[MC Maraca]

Townblock (mostly in order):

Angry Frat BROs
Cephrir
TheIrishPope
sangres
Toomai

Sort Pile:

yessiree
Hermy
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
RadiantCowbells
Guyett


This is kinda where I'm at right now, in light of recent events.

[MC Maraca]

Angry Frat BROs

- Town play, tippy's read is a factor here too. I've been scum with both heads of this hydra (New York 165) and lost to scum-Bro before (touhou mini theme), and this is totally not their scumplay at all. Additionally, AP (aka Arcanine/Arbok Master <3 ) was one of my mafia teachers of sorts; and he's gone back to the OLD town playbook from pokegym. Brings back memories.

Cephrir

- In light of some... "recent events", I think my ability to find cephrir as scum has improved, so I'm preeeeety confadent in my townread here.

TheIrishPope

- Take this one to the bank and cash it, folks.

sangres

- Taking back my promise to waffle. Her total lack of trying to shape my initial reads (like she did as scum in chef mafia) isn't there. Neither is the feigned paranoia angle.

Toomai

- Meta read. MOstly from simimlarity of his play here to the Harry Potter mini theme. I'd like him to elaborate on his tippy scumread, though, because I heavily disagree with it.

[MC Maraca]

yessiree

- If I was putting another player into my town block, this would be it. He's showing some pretty good thought processes and logical openings.

Hermy

- I don't know what to make of her anymore. Part of me says she's lynchbait; but then I go back and look at her scumgames where she pulls and sometimes gets away with the same shit. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=31923 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31754

JacobSavage

- even for a known lurker the utter lack of ~anything~ here is giving me PTSD from his SK play in 165.

PeregrineV

- I expect more from this slot. I will admit I'm bad at finding peregrine-scum (I meta-towned him incorrectly in paradox prime) I also want to know where he was going with the fake bulletproof thing.

RadiantCowbells

- I'm leaving this to my other townreads to sort because every time I read the stupid dripping from this slot, I want to just go fly to flordia and bribe GM for a vig shot.

Guyett

- Sangres has a major scumread here; I still have some questions asked here that went unanswered.

[MC Maraca]

Why is yessirree in your sort pile?

The rest of my townreads are stronger, and I put the divider there. As I noted, he's the one I'd bump up the quickest. I'd love some outside input, if you have something to add?

[MC Maraca]

Ceph, where are your reads at? You indicated several townreads today, do you have anything to add or subtract from my list?

[MC Maraca]

I think that's part of my problem, and probably the main reason I'm not townbinning him. No scum meta to baseline him off of.

[MC Maraca]

HAY BITCHES

I agree with the town-list of my other half and would put Hermy and Yessiree there as well.

VOTE: Guyett

don't mind this, at all. I like this I think

[MC Maraca]

and RC is being RC

but then, it'll mean Pere/Guyett/Jacob left as the scum team and well...

[MC Maraca]

Ceph, where are your reads at? You indicated several townreads today, do you have anything to add or subtract from my list?

Yeah, yessiree is town.

Other than that, I basically agree.

Sorry if I'm being a little useless today.

Where would you personally like to go today?

[MC Maraca]

Toomai

- Meta read. MOstly from simimlarity of his play here to the Harry Potter mini theme. I'd like him to elaborate on his tippy scumread, though, because I heavily disagree with it.

The simple explanation for the disconnect is that you have him as town based on meta alone, whereas I have no meta knowledge and no real time to acquire some, so I see all his short posts and relative lack of intelligent insights and decide he's scum.

• 82: Junk list.
• 97: Needless buddying.
• 244: Way to filler.
• 1135: "Claim [at L-8]"
• 1365: Helps get the RC crazywagon going
• 1458: "Hammer without a claim"
• 1508 and so on: "Oh hey he claimed something large, better backtrack"
• 2298: "Hey let's out our protective role with 12 players to go"
• His avatar's Yoshi colour has changed from green to red. Q.E.D.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30103

In that thread, mara and I nail scum-tip on page one within his first five posts. Entire game is done three pages later.

[MC Maraca]

AFB is so town I'd lynch a cop claiming a guilty on them before voting them.

[MC Maraca]

I realize you failed Havingafuckingclue101; but think about what I'm saying for a second, in context.

[MC Maraca]

Sometimes saying things like that isn't worth it.

Actually always.

No idea what you're talking about.