Mini320: Urban Legends Mafia is over!

[Drummer]

As it's getting close, here's the update.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

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audacesiuvat--4(help im a bug, Yosarian2, BrizzyBoi, Der Hammer)

broomhead--1(VisMaior)

Not voting--5(audacesiuvat, broomhead, Osloboditelj, bluesoul, Sentinel99)
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Ten alive, six to lynch.

[Der Hammer]

Unvote

Im very confused right now. Does your PM have a guarantee from the Mod that your innocent or something like that? Or did Brizzyboi just have your word?

[broomhead]

Im very confused right now. Does your PM have a guarantee from the Mod that your innocent or something like that? Or did Brizzyboi just have your word?

can we have a conformation from brizzyboi?

okay i'd like to bring back something thats been said on page 3. i would like some interpretation form someone who isn't the person in question.

why? the way i see it, the mafia already know whose protown and whose not. that information can only help the town.

Its called confirmed innocent. Bad thing if you are scum.

the way i see it, the more innocents we get the better. then we can just kill off the non-proven people and win the game

This is exactly why.

there will only be a slightly greater chance that they will kill the confirmed innocent

No, since the doc will protect the cop, they kill off the confirmed innocent. If they kill someone else, that would be worse for them, because we would increase the confirmed innocents number.

huh. those seem like all pro-town points of mine. i don't understand. my points=good. am i missing something? why did this desverre a vote from VisMajor?


the way i see it:

Vote:VisMajor

this stays unless something is cleared up.

P.S. does it seem that he was defending mafia? maybe i am just confused.

[audacesiuvat]

Unvote

Im very confused right now. Does your PM have a guarantee from the Mod that your innocent or something like that? Or did Brizzyboi just have your word?

I doubt it, my impression of my role is that my message is just forwarded to the player through the mod with no editorializing. Anybody who is receiving my phone calls would have to take my word that I am innocent. But how often do scum get to send messages to non-scum players during night?

[Yosarian2]

I doubt it, my impression of my role is that my message is just forwarded to the player through the mod with no editorializing. Anybody who is receiving my phone calls would have to take my word that I am innocent. But how often do scum get to send messages to non-scum players during night?

Actually, I've seen that "postman" ability, or variants of it, on both scum and pro-town roles.

[help im a bug]

unvote

Hm.

I think I'm wrong.

And anyway, his role is testable.

[Der Hammer]

unvote

Hm.

I think I'm wrong.

And anyway, his role is testable.

I dont doubt that he has that role but like Yosarian said it could easily be a Scum power designed to mislead

[Yosarian2]

On the other hand, if Help I'm a Bug thinks his role-based hint was wrong, then

unvote

. He's not confirmed, but HIAB's hunch was the only reason I was voting for him, so...

[Sentinel99]

You get the noob excuse for one (1) game.

Thank you Captain Rules.

[BrizzyBoi]

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Vote: audacesiuvat

OK, now I'm

really

confused.

I'm better claim now before this gets any more out of hand, and see if we can't get some answers. I'm Cell Phone Guy. I'm a 3-shot mason to whomever I want to send a message to, one call per night. Last night I sent a message to BrizzyBoi to confirm my innocence and tell him not to waste an investigation on me in the future. Or at least I thought I did.

So, I don't know what led help i'm a bug to think that I'm scum, and I'm very confused as to why you're voting for me, BrizzyBoi.

I recieved no such message. The only thing I can think of (if you are who you say you are) is that

maybe

help im a bug has a redirection action and redirected your message to himself.

Maybe

he assumed that because you were communicating at night, that you were mafia.

For now

Unvote: audacesiuvat

but that is a lot of maybes.

[Sentinel99]

Okay, I'm getting a little lost. Somebody who is good at explaining: tell me who we assume innocent, why, and who we assume scummy and why, please.

[bluesoul]

I recieved no such message. The only thing I can think of (if you are who you say you are) is that

maybe

help im a bug has a redirection action and redirected your message to himself.

Maybe

he assumed that because you were communicating at night, that you were mafia.

For now

Unvote: audacesiuvat

but that is a lot of maybes.

Reread what you just wrote. Speculation on that level is almost useless.

Vote audacesiuvat

. The fact that BrizzyBoi can't corroborate his mason claim is more than enough for me.

[BrizzyBoi]

My only question is that if his role-claim is a cover, then why come up with something we can so easily test right now. Why not give a cover story that would take a night action to verify?

Okay, I'm getting a little lost. Somebody who is good at explaining: tell me who we assume innocent, why, and who we assume scummy and why, please.

I am a claimed Cop and innocent, I have investigated "ziliu" and found him guilty and investigated "help im a bug" and found him to be innocent. I think this proves me as a sane cop (any other possibilities).

Anyone else is untested.

[bluesoul]

Maybe he needs to get to this night? I don't know, but the only logical thing would be a redirect and I don't think we want HIAB to roleclaim. Audacesiuvat should probably be the lynch today.

[BrizzyBoi]

Maybe he needs to get to this night?

Then why give us a roleclaim that we can dismiss right now?

I don't know, but the only logical thing would be a redirect and I don't think we want HIAB to roleclaim. Audacesiuvat should probably be the lynch today.

Also Post 109 - I mention possible redirect.
Post 111 - You declare "Speculation on that level is almost useless."
Post 113 - You declare "I don't know, but the only logical thing would be a redirect and I don't think we want HIAB to roleclaim."

Care to make your mind up? As incentive

Vote: bluesoul

Also I don't know about anyone else, but I would really like to know if HIAB (or anyone else) does have a redirection ability so we can resolve this audacesiuvat issue.

[bluesoul]

You're misunderstanding. A redirector is possible, but even you said the circumstances would have to be just exactly right. When I say speculating is almost useless, I mean we shouldn't use speculation without corroboration to decide the course of the game. Speculating that audacesiuvat really

is

a three-shot mason and he really

did

get redirected is fine. Do I think we should let him off the hook? Not at all.

I'm really torn regarding HIAB. Since he's essentially confirmed I don't know how much in the way of a life expectancy he has. It's probably best to leave it up to him to decide what he wants to do.

[Yosarian2]

(shrug) Well, if the only reason you want to lynch audacesiuvat is because you don't believe his "three-shot mason claim" considering it didn't seem to work last night for whatever reason, I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not.

[Sentinel99]

Vote: bluesoul

I really think we need to pressure him a bit, get some info. He is seeming really... wishy-washy just now.

[VisMaior]

My only question is that if his role-claim is a cover, then why come up with something we can so easily test right now.

What was the test result again?

Why not give a cover story that would take a night action to verify?

I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not.

So now it does take a nightaction to verify, no?

[BrizzyBoi]

My only question is that if his role-claim is a cover, then why come up with something we can so easily test right now.

What was the test result again?

The result is that he said he sent me a message, and I say I didn't recieve one.

Why not give a cover story that would take a night action to verify?

I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not.

So now it does take a nightaction to verify, no?

His cover story doesn't really need a night action to verify, the only problem I have with voting audacesiuvat is the silent HIAB issue, speaking of which...

From the information I have, I'd say there's about a 20% chance he belongs to an antitown killing group.

My evidence says 20% chance of you being scum.

I am really starting to get curious about how HIAB comes by his evidence.

[BrizzyBoi]

As I was saying above before I prematurely hit the send button

Audacesiuvat doesn't require anyone to spend a night action to verify his claim, we don't need to take any action at all we just need to see if anything happens when he "attempts" to send a message to someone (preferably not me in case my high tech police issue radar gun is interfering with his signal)

[VisMaior]

I can see this develop into a WIFOM easily. Nevertheless, one more night wont hurt. HIAB want to shed some light?

[help im a bug]

Fine. I roleblocked him night 0. No kill, so I did it again. Then the most scummy person died, so I thought it likely that a vig did him in.

[bluesoul]

Unvote

If he was RBd, we should give him another night to prove himself.

[BrizzyBoi]

That's good enough for me.

Unvote: bluesoul

Vote: audacesiuvat