Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[Pariah]

Vote Count

Zindaras: (2)

Twomz, Fritzler

Fritzler: (2)

Zindaras, M4yhem

Nai: (2)

Kirbyphreak, help im a bug

Kirbyphreak: (1)

Bogre

Twomz: (1)

Chamber

Shadowlurker: (1)

themanhimself

help im a bug: (1)

Nai

M4yhem: (1)

Bethelmark

7 to lynch.

[Bogre]

FOS: Zindaras

Saying someone is useless because they aren't posting and is an okay lynch is not good. We're trying to lynch scum, not someone who isn't posting. To fix the problem of the non-posting, we need a prod or a replace...thats how we need to solve that problem, not with a lynch.

If he's lurking it might be a different case, anyone know if he's posting actively in other games?

[ShadowLurker]

It's been said multiple times he hasn't been as active in the rest of his games either.

[M4yhem]

Unvote:Fritzler

because he doesn't seem to care...
I thought it was just this game he was failing to participate in but apparantly not.

Help, I think you misinterpreted Nai quite a bit. Nothing in that bit you quote suggests he was in favour of mass claiming.

Bad Nai! Terrible pun, no cookies for you!

Do you think we should prod Fritzler again? It wasn't that long since his last prod...

[Zindaras]

The last prod didn't get him to post more. My vote stays where it is until either a prod makes him post more or until he is replaced.

[help im a bug]

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.

I don't see how this could cause any counterclaims.

Let's say my role isn't the Insane Cop, but I suddenly start getting investigations that I suspect are reversed. No matter which faction I'm fighting for, I'm not going to claim to be the Insane Cop (if I'm ever forced to claim), but my original role, bastardized--if I'm mafia, because I don't want to force the 1-1 trade that would result, and if I'm town, because I don't want to cause random chaos.

[ShadowLurker]

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.

I don't see how this could cause any counterclaims.

Let's say my role isn't the Insane Cop, but I suddenly start getting investigations that I suspect are reversed. No matter which faction I'm fighting for, I'm not going to claim to be the Insane Cop (if I'm ever forced to claim), but my original role, bastardized--if I'm mafia, because I don't want to force the 1-1 trade that would result, and if I'm town, because I don't want to cause random chaos.

Wait, what the heck? How would you "randomly" start getting investigations if you aren't the Insane Cop?
Did anyone else just think this post made no sense at all?

[Fritzler]

unvote, vote: nai

[Bogre]

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.

I don't see how this could cause any counterclaims.

Let's say my role isn't the Insane Cop, but I suddenly start getting investigations that I suspect are reversed. No matter which faction I'm fighting for, I'm not going to claim to be the Insane Cop (if I'm ever forced to claim), but my original role, bastardized--if I'm mafia, because I don't want to force the 1-1 trade that would result, and if I'm town, because I don't want to cause random chaos.

Wait, what the heck? How would you "randomly" start getting investigations if you aren't the Insane Cop?
Did anyone else just think this post made no sense at all?

Bastardization, perhaps?

[Nai]

So I have a random vote, a vote for a reason that has not held up, and another seemingly random vote on me. I'm loving it.

HIAB, even if that did happen (which I find unlikely), I still think that counterclaims will be useful. For instance, what if we have two roles that are supposedly bastardized? One says that he's (for example) a townie bastardized that got doc abilities (we have no idea what bastardization does anyways, so for sake of example). That would imply that bastardization doesn't have any relevancy to role. Another guy comes up and says HE was bastardized, used to be the insane cop, and is now sane. That implies that bastardization messes with your role abilities. I think that would be a very useful counterclaim for the town, counterclaiming the effects of bastardization.

[ShadowLurker]

But the fact is, we don't know they're bastardized.

Like I said, I believe right now it is pointless to speculate about what bastardization does cause it could be anything.

[help im a bug]

Dude, you said "On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles,

if the roles start acting like other roles.

"

It was

your idea

that bastardized roles might mimic others. Don't act like I'm pulling random ideas from thin air.

[Nai]

I meant something like the doc acting like the cop, not just some random role randomly getting an ability. I think that bastardization would do something to the actual abilities of your own role. The only time I think you'd get any abilities when you had none to begin with was, say, a townie becoming a vig, because they are, in my mind, just about polar opposites.

[kirbyphreak]

My opinion on the bastardizing is that maybe, the insane cop would be sane, or paranoid or something. There is no way a vanilla could become a vig. He doesn't send in names for night actions. I would say vanillas could be possibly bastardized as millers, but thats about it. Oh, and

unvote

seeing as how it was random and Nai doesnt really need 3 votes on him.

[Nai]

Hmm. Good point on the Miller bit. I was going to say that Vig could be the opposite of vanilla since a vanilla only tries to live, while a Vig tries to kill. Maybe a vanilla -> SK change?

[kirbyphreak]

in my opinion, that's more completely changing the role than bastardizing it. None of us know if it's happened to us, so the vanilla still wouldnt know to send anything.

[Zindaras]

*sighs*

Fritzler annoys me, but I guess he did post.

Unvote

. I still want actual content from him.

I also think that bastardized roles are not based on what they once were. For example, you can be a vanilla townie with an uncle who was Miller, or an uncle who was a Paranoid Cop. You can work anything in it. PK probably numbered the vanillas and they'll all have different bastardizations.

I wonder what would happen if the Genealogist targeted himself.

[M4yhem]

Vote:Help I'm a bug

who seems to be stirring things up against Nai.

Zindaras, we'll be lucky if we get a sentence out of Fritzler. If he does speak, I predict he will say "Why isn't Nai dead yet?" or something similar to that.

The more we talk about bastardisation the more confused I get. I didn't realize we wouldn't know we were bastards, although it does make sense.

If the Genealogist targets himself...then he might become unable to bastardize people; or unable to cure them...or nothing would happen. Who knows.

[help im a bug]

Vote:Help I'm a bug

who seems to be stirring things up against Nai.

That's one of the scummiest reasons to vote I've seen. Just saying.

[Nai]

Wait, that's scummy, but you voting for me for "advocating for mass claim" when the quoted post had absolutely nothing of the sort in it wasn't scummy?

To quote what BabyJesus might say: Why isn't HIAB dead yet?

[help im a bug]

Wait, that's scummy, but you voting for me for "advocating for mass claim" when the quoted post had absolutely nothing of the sort in it wasn't scummy?

To quote what BabyJesus might say: Why isn't HIAB dead yet?

*yawn* Arguing that what I said was scummy doesn't mean that what your buddy did wasn't scummy. Quit trying to distract the town.

Reread what he said. I'm scummy because I'm "stirring up things against Nai". Now, this could only scummy if he has any information about your alignment. Otherwise, accusing anyone ever would be scummy.

There are many possibilities here, but the most likely ones are:

1) Nai is town, Mayhem is scum. In this situation, Mayhem

knows

that Nai is town, and is trying to get on Nai's good side by defending him.

2) Nai is scum, Mayhem is scum. In this situation, Mayhem doesn't want Nai to die because they are scum together. I find this one slightly less likely than the first, simply because he's being so blunt about it.

The other possibilities for your alignments are:

3) Nai is town, Mayhem is town. In this situation, Mayhem, for reasons based on the posts (as we haven't had a night yet), would have to have come to the unshakable conclusion that Nai is town. I find this very unlikely for him to do day 1, no matter his role.

4) Nai is scum, Mayhem is town. In this situation, Mayhem is an idiot.

Therefore, from the statement

Vote:Help I'm a bug

who seems to be stirring things up against Nai.

I am forced to conclude that Mayhem is most likely scum.

The fact that you're defending him through distraction instead of realizing this makes me quite suspicious that possibility 2 is the correct one.

[ShadowLurker]

3) Nai is town, Mayhem is town. In this situation, Mayhem, for reasons based on the posts (as we haven't had a night yet), would have to have come to the unshakable conclusion that Nai is town. I find this very unlikely for him to do day 1, no matter his role.

You don't have to be absolutely sure someone is to defend them. If you think they aren't the play, you will defend them. I don't see how you drew the conclusion M4yhem is 100% sure Nai is town from those few sentences defending Nai. What did you want him to do instead? Make a half assed defense that would cover his tracks if Nai was town and if Nai was scum? That would get him lynched for sure.

And yeah, you're going to think I'm scum for this post because I'm attacking you and "defending" scum.

[M4yhem]

Help- It’s not that fact that you accused Nai that bothers me. It’s the fact the you accused him using fabricated evidence. He never said a thing about mass claiming.
And then you act like bringing up the possibility of counterclaims is scummy, when it’s not.

You’re seriously coming to conclusions regarding me and Nai way too early.

A possibility you missed:
5)M4yhem is town. M4yhem has no idea what Nai’s role is but M4yhem doesn’t like accusations to be based on fabricated evidence. Thus, M4yhem defends Nai to avoid a possible miss-lynch.

Number 5 is the correct one, fyi.

[help im a bug]

You don't have to be absolutely sure someone is to defend them. If you think they aren't the play, you will defend them. I don't see how you drew the conclusion M4yhem is 100% sure Nai is town from those few sentences defending Nai. What did you want him to do instead? Make a half assed defense that would cover his tracks if Nai was town and if Nai was scum? That would get him lynched for sure.

And yeah, you're going to think I'm scum for this post because I'm attacking you and "defending" scum.

No, it's not that he defended Nai. It's that he

voted me

for attacking Nai that was scummy.

[themanhimself]

Vote:Help I'm a bug

who seems to be stirring things up against Nai.

That's one of the scummiest reasons to vote I've seen. Just saying.

Definitley, I'd say possibilty of scum-buddies.

Vote: M4yhem