Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[ShadowLurker]

Why switch? Bethelmark and Fritzler have both posted the same: nothing.

[bethelmark]

YAUS RANDOM VOTE!

Vote: Bogre

[M4yhem]

Shadowlurker, I just wanted to vote for Fritzler.

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

[M4yhem]

BANDWAGON!
So what do we do now?Should we wait for the others to arrive?
Or maybe the scum would like to step forward?

[help im a bug]

I think we should talk about butterflies. And maybe prod latecomers? This is weird.

[Pariah]

I think we should talk about butterflies. And maybe prod latecomers? This is weird.

Fritzler has been prodded, as the only poster not to post.

[Fritzler]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

Vote: Zindaras

[Twomz]

Hey Fritz. What's been going on, you haven't been posting as much as normal in most the games we're both in?

[Nai]

He might be on vacation.

Hmm.

[ShadowLurker]

Or he could just be busy, it seems really early for prods.

[Twomz]

Fritz posted right before my last post. He probably just thought we were starting w/ night or something.

Speaking of which... we're starting w/ day, w/ and even number of players. I almost hate to bring it up this early... but No Lynch might be an acceptable option for the first day of this game. Of course since we have a known vig and the mafia kill... it might be 10 instead of 11 tomorrow, so lynching a random player may be the best choice (remember, ability claims won't help the town determine who is scum and who isn't, only investigations (which in this game, probably can't be trusted) and behaviour can determine scum.)

So, if the vig isn't scum, then we can expect probably just 1 kill tonight... but the vig might be scum, and the vig might fire blindly (or on a hunch). Does anyone else have an opinion on the way to start off day 1?

[ShadowLurker]

Well, bandwagoning someone usually gets a suitable reaction which will give us something to go on. I'd only want to NL if it seems that bandwagoning people hasn't helped at all. If we randomly lynched, the play would be NL but we don't random lynch.

[Twomz]

Random bandwagoning will be far less effective because everyone can claim freely w/o worry of being condemned on their claim. Bandwagonning on weak points could turn up some info... but like most games, the bandwagon will either fall about after the claim, or push to a lynch, where the actual claim won't matter anyway. We have to rethink the way we play in this game, because the normal system of claim/role guilties and counterclaims isn't going to be helpful in this game.

[ShadowLurker]

Well obviously the claim won't help, but we can look at the reaction of the player before he claims. Also, the claim still matters because we would probably want an important role to act more scummy than an unimportant role before a lynch. However, I'm not saying No Lynch is an option but what do we do tommorow even if we have an odd number? While our probability if we random lynch is slightly better, we still have nothing really to go on because as you say, people can claim freely. And if the cop claims Day 2 to actually give us information, it'd be dumb because it's an easy target for mafia in the night.

[Nai]

Well, claims will help. I don't understand what Twomz means by saying that counterclaims aren't going to help. Just because we know WHAT roles are in this game doesn't mean that a counterclaim does nothing. You treat a counterclaim in this game like a counterclaim in any other game: Lynch the first claimer then, if they're not scum, lynch the other one.

[M4yhem]

I love butterflies; they are so shiny and beautiful and
Oh right, game related disscusion.
I think we should seriously consider no lynch as an option; but only after we have tried a few bandwagons.
Claims might work differently in this games but scummy behaviour is going to be the same as in other games so I think we should play like we normally do; by voting for the people who act the scummiest. Nai has a point about counterclaimimg; I think the scum are still slightly more likely to claim helpful role today, since if they claim a vanilla role, we would probably lynch them anyway.
Also, bandwagons give us information about all the people who vote, not just the guy being voted for. So it will still be useful to bandwagon, even if the claims are calculated to confuse us.
If we stall after a few bandwagons, we can always go back to the no lynch idea.

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

Vote: Zindaras

Yes, that's the kind of post that makes me want to unvote.

Also, this whole claim thing is pretty silly.

The Mafia is determined randomly. They are just as likely to be a helpful role as a townie. The only thing mass claiming would do is help the Mafia pick their targets. Making random people claim does exactly the same thing.

[ShadowLurker]

Zind: We didn't suggest a mass claim, we were talking about the no lynch option. Once again, what we're looking for is the reaction of the player this time. He can still drop scumtells before he claims his role and we're not going to be everyone claim, that's pointless.

[Zindaras]

Zind: We didn't suggest a mass claim, we were talking about the no lynch option.

There was also a lot of claiming discussion, and I wanted to share my opinions on claiming in this game.

Once again, what we're looking for is the reaction of the player this time. He can still drop scumtells before he claims his role and we're not going to be everyone claim, that's pointless.

No lynching has a point. We have 12 players, and an odd amount of players is better for us.

So if the vig doesn't kill anyone, no lynch is good for us.

If he does, we should be lynching someone.

[themanhimself]

Speaking of which... we're starting w/ day, w/ and even number of players. I almost hate to bring it up this early... but No Lynch might be an acceptable option for the first day of this game.

Wow... When I tried this in lost mafia I totally got my ass lynched. Kudos for not being dead already.

[ShadowLurker]

I almost wanted to minor FoS Twomz for thata but since it is Open Role and we are being Bastardized, I thought he may have a point.

I still don't want to NL immediately though as once again, lynches definitely shouldn't be random.

[Twomz]

I will usually bring up Mass claiming early in the game too, mainly as a discussion point. But, in this game it's pretty useless to massclaim, and i suggest that until we get to the point where it's a couple of mafia and a really bad vig left, we don't massclaim.

Also, I didn't say "hey i think we should no lynch" I said "hey it might be a good idea if we discuss the pros and cons of a no lynch, here's my opinion". If I get lynched for that, then there's definately scum pushing that wagon .

Could we get more posting in general? Like, from people that have just posted once? That'd be great.

[ShadowLurker]

Could we get more posting in general? Like, from people that have just posted once? That'd be great.

Seconded.

[M4yhem]

Obviously we don't just bandwagon people randomly. We need to use some kind of logic. For the record, I hate mass claiming; it seems like such a shoddy way to win.

Unvote:Fritzler

Vote:Bogre

Another quiet one. Post Bogre, post!