Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[Zindaras]

Anyway, I think we should be lynching Fritzler. His only words in this game so far have been Vote and Zindaras, and while I find it touching, that's pretty useless to us game-wise.

[M4yhem]

I agree with Zindaras.

vote:Fritzler

He's pretty clearly scum.

Also,

Fos:help I'm a bug

for still not giving his reasons for the Nai vote. Reasons help the town y'know.

The Lurker/Bogre thing seems like a misunderstanding to me.

The bastardasion thing is interesting, but we won't know what it does until we see it in action. I'm fairly sure it will be bad for whoever gets bastardised. Obviously.

[bethelmark]

Maybe "bastardization" means that the player has things he doesn't know about his role. For example, say the insane cop becomes bastardized. What if he thinks he's insane, but he's really paranoid and doesn't know it?

Just a thought...

[Twomz]

FOS ZIND

I'm sure you've played w/ Fritz before and know that that's the way he plays. But, i'm not voting you because it is odd that Fritz isn't talking as much as normal (but he's doing it in all his games so i'm assuming he's busy or something).

[help im a bug]

I thought the post I quoted with my vote spoke for itself.

Nai was seriously advocating mass claiming in this situation. I found this unwise at best, scummy at worst.

[bethelmark]

I agree with Zindaras.

vote:Fritzler

He's pretty clearly scum.

What is this? Fritzler is "clearly scum" for only voting Zindaras? Logic much?

Unvote; Vote: M4yhem

[M4yhem]

Bethelmark, you jump on me for that but you ignored Help I'm a bug when he did it earlier? What gives?

[help im a bug]

What did I do, mayhem?

[bethelmark]

Bethelmark, you jump on me for that but you ignored Help I'm a bug when he did it earlier? What gives?

Maybe because help I'm a bug provided reasoning for his vote?

[ShadowLurker]

Just because "that's how he always plays" doesn't mean he isn't scum. I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying that's not a legit defense. Of course if that really is how he always plays then you can't say he must be scum becasue he's playing like that.

[Twomz]

This is going to be one of those really confusing day 1s where everyone points fingers and we take forever to get anthing important done isn't it?

[help im a bug]

Hmm, I don't get a good feeling from that post, Twomz.

[kirbyphreak]

Hey Twomz, you're looking scummy on Day 1! Again! just kidding, i don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe Fritz is on vacation or something, he is being unusally quiet. But, his post seems like the regular Fritzler, so I'll wait and see.

[Nai]

OH yes, there's a LOT of advocating for a mass claim in that post. I*t's all saying "Wow, let's mass claim and then work off of counterclaims!"

Now, seriously, read the post. It was actually disagreeing with Twomz when he said counterclaims wouldn't be useful in this game. I was saying that counterclaims are just as useful in a game where we know the roles as in a game where we don't. See the newbie games with the C9 setup, where docs and cops can claim and be counterclaimed. It helps.

Also, I think we should allow Fritz to post and/or be replaced before we lynch him. Lynching on a lack of information is a bad idea.

[themanhimself]

Yeah, I don't see anything scummy about Fritzler's posts, and as a matter of fact,

FOS: Zindaras

, for not being able to back up his vote.

[help im a bug]

Nai, why would there be any counterclaims in this game?

[M4yhem]

Help I'm a bug provided reasoning for his vote? Where? As far as I can see he just quoted something Nai said without explaining what was suspisious about it. Nai's voting him for that reason, isn't he?

As for my reasoning; Fritzler started a bandwagon agaist Zindaras and then disappeared. I think that's slightly odd. He's still being pretty quiet.

Twomz-Well you're right so far.

[Twomz]

Started a bandwagon?

Let's review Fritz's post... "Vote: Zindaras" Wow... that really starts up bandwagons right there... . I think you're blowing things out of proportion.

[Zindaras]

FOS ZIND

I'm sure you've played w/ Fritz before and know that that's the way he plays. But, i'm not voting you because it is odd that Fritz isn't talking as much as normal (but he's doing it in all his games so i'm assuming he's busy or something).

As far as I remember, I have not played with Fritzler before, only over AIM, and, if my memory serves me well, in Goats Mafia, where he was very active. Though I may be mistaken there.

Yeah, I don't see anything scummy about Fritzler's posts, and as a matter of fact,

FOS: Zindaras

, for not being able to back up his vote.

What do you want me to do? A PBPA? Here is one:

Post 32:

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

Vote: Zindaras

That. Is. It. You cannot analyze posting behaviour if there was no behaviour. You cannot rebuff arguments if there are none.

Regardless of whether or not he was trying to bandwagon me, he's being completely useless.

Also, help im a bug: I doubt there will be counterclaim issues this game, as claiming something you are not (barring vanilla) is suicidal, but they are hypothetically possible, and if such a situation would arise (which it probably won't), it'd be useful.

*shrugs*

Not very likely though.

[Zindaras]

As an aside, I don't like how M4yhem voted with me on Fritzler, saying nothing but "I agree". To explain my vote: it's a pressure vote, not a real actual lynch vote.

[M4yhem]

Meh. I wasn't really voting to lynch Fritzler either, I just want him to wake up and smell the open role bastard mafia.

Twomz: Fritzler doesn't really

need

to say anything to get people to bandwagon his votes, as you probably know.

Help, I don't think Nai said anything about mass claims in the bit you quoted. And I totally need to pay more attention since I missed your reasons on the first read through.

[help im a bug]

Help I'm a bug provided reasoning for his vote? Where? As far as I can see he just quoted something Nai said without explaining what was suspisious about it. Nai's voting him for that reason, isn't he?

I thought the post I quoted with my vote spoke for itself.

Nai was seriously advocating mass claiming in this situation. I found this unwise at best, scummy at worst.

Reading is FUN-damental!

[ShadowLurker]

I don't really see how Zindaras is guilty for that post. I do see however, a bit how M4yhem could be guilty. Both reasons are not strong at all and any votes at this stage of the game and are only going to pressure someone, they aren't serious lynch votes.

[Twomz]

unvote, vote: zindaras

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Btw, i'm going to an orientation camp for college tomorrow, so i'll see y'all Monday/Tuesday.

[Nai]

Well, HIAB, you didn't put that explanation WITH your vote. You put it many posts later, after you were *snicker* bugged about it. And, after I explained my post, you're still voting for me, when no one else is because THEY all saw, from the get-go, what I was going for.

On another point, counterclaims are definately going to be a part of this game, especially with bastardized roles, if the roles start acting like other roles.