Open 9 - Basic Twelve Player (Game Over!) - before 400

[Twito]

Ok BM so you lied? Are you really scum?

[Lowell]

Ok I still don't think BM is scum. Here's why:

As I mentioned, I do think he's more newbie than scum. And, more importnant, his REACTION to being called foolish for claiming is telling:

If he were scum, he'd say something like "oh, oops, sorry about that" and most people would consider him naive, though innocent.

The fact that he's trying hard to RETRACT his remarks, however, suggests that he (a) realizes/realized why claiming vanilla is dangerous for the town, and (b) is willing to INTENTIONALLY cast doubt on himself in order to overcome that mistake. This very much spells town to me.

unvote, vote SV

Either you think he's foolish for claiming vanilla or you think he's scum. If it's the first, you should complain at him but not vote. If it's the second, you should vote but not complain. You can't reasonably be both upset that he claimed vanilla AND suspect him of being scum.

[Ripley]

I'm happy with my vote on Battle Mage at present. I think he's playing the newbie card a bit too vigorously and not entirely convincingly. This, for example:

wow i gotta say im quite surprised that everyone seems to think i-in my first Mafia Game here, is actually a baddie. Unfortunately i am not a Mafia, nor do i have any interesting role. I am a townie.

SV pops in now because she forgot to add this game on watch list.

Why the heck did you claim on page 2?

You guys are like the pro's, so ur gonna have to teach me as i go along. i mean, what do u mean by 'claiming'?

I just don't buy this not understanding what claim means. It's not as if an impersonal discussion on claiming theory had just started, spectrumvoid is quite clearly referring to something Battle Mage himself has just done, and as if that weren't clear enough she

actually quotes the claim

.

There's also the whole "I know absolutely nothing" tone of the post quoted above, which sounds completely false when contrasted with this:

Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth.
...
Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid
Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

.. where he's telling a much more experienced player they don't know the basics of the game and he does. The whole switch in tone is like he's forgotten to stick to an act he was putting on.

Then there's this:

u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

You seem to be conceding here that you lie even when protown, in which case why should we believe anything at all that you say?

[ShadowLurker]

BM: Shut up for a bit, it'll help the town.

[IH]

The fact that he's trying hard to RETRACT his remarks, however, suggests that he (a) realizes/realized why claiming vanilla is dangerous for the town, and (b) is willing to INTENTIONALLY cast doubt on himself in order to overcome that mistake. This very much spells town to me.

Are you even reading the same game? BM still doesn't consider it wrong, and is saying SV has the bad logic and is not seeing it? I see no retraction from him at all.

unvote, Vote:lowell

There was something else that I saw in that post also that I may hit upon later.

[Battle Mage]

I'll clarify for you. In my opinion, i am a FAIRLY experienced player of Mafia Game, having played them and run them numerous times over the internet. However, you dont seem to recognise that playing it as a side-order to another game, is entirely different to playing it on a specialised website with Pro's. You guys evidently take this VERY seriously, and have turned this into a sort of culture. I am new to this site, and whilst i know the basic mechanics of the game, i am not used to being criticised for every innocent post i make. That is, i suppose, what comes with being good at the game. I have not heard of many of these abbreviations, which i expect are unique to this game, and possibly this website, however that does not make me scum.
Anyway, it seems that most of you are quite willing to scapegoat me, making me very suspicious that you are Mafia. It looks like im going for the chop, but when i do, and you realise i am innocent, i want an apology from each and every person who voted for me.
Failure to deliver this, will incriminate you to the extent of being the next to go.
All this unvoting is very confusing, and im not sure who i am currently voting for, but i will

Unvote, Vote Ripley

He seems to be trying WAY too hard to incriminate me. Anyone who thinks that much about this game is either a complete addict, or a Member of the Mafia.

I'm happy with my vote on Battle Mage at present. I think he's playing the newbie card a bit too vigorously and not entirely convincingly. This, for example:

wow i gotta say im quite surprised that everyone seems to think i-in my first Mafia Game here, is actually a baddie. Unfortunately i am not a Mafia, nor do i have any interesting role. I am a townie.

SV pops in now because she forgot to add this game on watch list.

Why the heck did you claim on page 2?

You guys are like the pro's, so ur gonna have to teach me as i go along. i mean, what do u mean by 'claiming'?

I just don't buy this not understanding what claim means. It's not as if an impersonal discussion on claiming theory had just started, spectrumvoid is quite clearly referring to something Battle Mage himself has just done, and as if that weren't clear enough she

actually quotes the claim

.

There's also the whole "I know absolutely nothing" tone of the post quoted above, which sounds completely false when contrasted with this:

Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth.
...
Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid
Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

.. where he's telling a much more experienced player they don't know the basics of the game and he does. The whole switch in tone is like he's forgotten to stick to an act he was putting on.

Then there's this:

u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

You seem to be conceding here that you lie even when protown, in which case why should we believe anything at all that you say?

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[ShadowLurker]

You guys evidently take this VERY seriously, and have turned this into a sort of culture. I am new to this site, and whilst i know the basic mechanics of the game, i am not used to being criticised for every innocent post i make. That is, i suppose, what comes with being good at the game. I have not heard of many of these abbreviations, which i expect are unique to this game, and possibly this website, however that does not make me scum.
Anyway, it seems that most of you are quite willing to scapegoat me, making me very suspicious that you are Mafia. It looks like im going for the chop, but when i do, and you realise i am innocent, i want an apology from each and every person who voted for me.
Failure to deliver this, will incriminate you to the extent of being the next to go.

You seem to be the one taking this VERY seriously.

[Lowell]

Yeah, still convinced BM is town. Just seems to obvious to be scum.

Also, IH, don't pull that ominous "there was something else I saw" crap. Say what you mean.

[spectrumvoid]

Lowell: You do realise that your point about how scum would react is completely wifomish right? Scum could have guessed you'd think that way and react that way on purpose. Wifomish.

BM: I can sympathise with BM to a certain extent. I'm from IRC mafia, where games end in 30 min, with a different way of playing. But it's your reaction that I find alarming. Since you're willing to try this site, shouldn't you start learning how people play around here, instead of being close-minded and sticking to your old playstyle?

I don't like that demanding an attitude apology from everyone who voted you. Sorry to be mean here, but that sounds extremely childish. If you act scummy, expect yourself to get voted. And stop whining about it.

Anyone who thinks that much about a game = anyone who is trying to win. Are you saying you aren't going to try hard to find scum? You'll find yourself lynched very easily that way in a larger game with more players with that attitude.

unvote

I think BM's problem here is his attitude. I don't think he's scum, more like a player who needs time to learn. Pending his reaction to my rather inflaming post.

[Battle Mage]

i dont mind being voted for when i 'act scummy', however it is rather frustrating that every post i make is referred to as a 'scum post...
I dont so much take these games seriously in a competitive way, but i find that i enjoy them immensely. I have yet to complete a game on this site, so i do not claim to be an expert, and am quite willing to learn, however it is not completely impossible for someone on this site to make a mistake. Even you pro's dont know EVERYTHING. and to an extent it is about opinion. In my opinion i feel that the reasons for lynching me are weak, then i will say so. I will also defend myself if remarks get personal.

Lowell: You do realise that your point about how scum would react is completely wifomish right? Scum could have guessed you'd think that way and react that way on purpose. Wifomish.

BM: I can sympathise with BM to a certain extent. I'm from IRC mafia, where games end in 30 min, with a different way of playing. But it's your reaction that I find alarming. Since you're willing to try this site, shouldn't you start learning how people play around here, instead of being close-minded and sticking to your old playstyle?

I don't like that demanding an attitude apology from everyone who voted you. Sorry to be mean here, but that sounds extremely childish. If you act scummy, expect yourself to get voted. And stop whining about it.

Anyone who thinks that much about a game = anyone who is trying to win. Are you saying you aren't going to try hard to find scum? You'll find yourself lynched very easily that way in a larger game with more players with that attitude.

unvote

I think BM's problem here is his attitude. I don't think he's scum, more like a player who needs time to learn. Pending his reaction to my rather inflaming post.

[IH]

Seriously guys, am I the only one who thinks the things I pointed out in post 79 scummy?

[Ripley]

Seriously guys, am I the only one who thinks the things I pointed out in post 79 scummy?

If you mean this:

I see no retraction from him at all.

I took Lowell's reference to retraction to mean that BM backpedaled on his claim. Which he did, saying he might have been lying.

What other things did you think you pointed out in that post? I only see this:

There was something else that I saw in that post also that I may hit upon later.

You seem to want people to comment - maybe they'd be more inclined to respond if you said what it was that you saw, rather than dropping hints like this?

[IH]

OK, I'll cave, but that should be a EBWOP of 70 and 79.

Either you think he's foolish for claiming vanilla or you think he's scum. If it's the first, you should complain at him but not vote. If it's the second, you should vote but not complain. You can't reasonably be both upset that he claimed vanilla AND suspect him of being scum.

SV had already explained her actions, not to mention lack of response about your vote on fircoal.

I still don't like your defense of BM. especially by giving him an essential out about the retracting and and such. = /

[ShadowLurker]

FoS: IH

[spectrumvoid]

SL: Why?

I didn't ignore that. It was in my first para where I said it was wifomish.

[Battle Mage]

half the time i think ur making this words up...

[Patrick]

Votecount

Twito (1) -- Masterchief
Lowell (2) -- AndrewS, IH
Battle Mage (2) -- Ripley, The Central Scrutiniser
Fircoal (2) -- Twito, Shadowlurker
Ripley (1) -- Battle Mage
Spectrumvoid (1) -- Lowell

Not Voting: Fircoal, Spectrumvoid
11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[spectrumvoid]

BM: https://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki. ... reviations

This page a list of more commonly used abbreviations.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm also curious why SL FoS'd IH.

Other than that, I'm still pretty happy with my Battle Mage vote.

[ShadowLurker]

TCS: What is your opinion on this meta statement: "One Day 1 lynch is as good as any other."

[The Central Scrutinizer]

TCS: What is your opinion on this meta statement: "One Day 1 lynch is as good as any other."

That as far as I can tell, day one lynches are completely random anyway, unless a scum is completely stupid?

[spectrumvoid]

Can't be true. Any idea why? Or should I just reveal all? And why did SL post without answering my question? Psssh.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm not sure he knows how to answer your question.

unvote, vote: ShadowLurker

[IH]

What is your opinion on this meta statement: "One Day 1 lynch is as good as any other."

....Why did you ask that question? I'm curious.

I also Echo Spectrumvoids questions.

[AndrewS]

Unvote

After rereading, I really can't see BattleMage as scum. He's far too scummy to be scum. Stupid town, yes. Townie who needs to play in a newbie game first, yes. Internet user who needs better grammar, yes. Scum? No. However, I am looking at SpectrumVoid. His only posts have been attacking Battle Mage, who I think is a relatively low target. He wants to lynch now, and quite frankly, I'm strongly getting scum vibes from him. My suspicion is that his strategy is to push for BMs lynch early on so that we start day 2 two townies down and with little new information. Therefore, I'm going to

Vote: SpectrumVoid