Mini 413 - Famous CATS - Over! Quit pussyfooting around!

[Primate]

Oh please. You and I both know that this is nothing like a mason group. Mason groups normally contain two people. If in a normal game someone started ranting about being a mason with himself, yes, I would be skeptical.

Stop trying to hide under the veneer of respectability provided by the mason claim you're trying to push.

[Zindaras]

I know CC to be town. CC knows me to be town. While we are not confirmed town to the outside world as a Mason pair would be, we are confirmed town to ourselves, and the Mafia can't let us reach endgame.

Hastily lynching one of us today is horribly short-sighted.

[Primate]

That's a

real

stretch though isn't it? The entire strength about mason groups, the one thing that makes them worthwhile is the fact that two people can confirm each other. I could confirm myself to myself now, and it wouldn't have any more weight than what you've tried to do there. The fact that you have two accounts is cute, but it still doesn't go beyond 'I am innocent because I say I am innocent'. Leaving the mafia to deal with you is also a complete avoidance of the issue anytime soon, seeing as you've been scummy enough to last quite a way into this game, and the double account factor will get people twitchy earlier than they probably should be, making you a prime mislynch opportunity.

I do agree there has been relatively little discussion today. Problem is, actually doing any other relevant discussion with an elephant in the room like this. Can't do any harm waiting for non contributors though.

[Zindaras]

Once one dies, the other is confirmed, that's what I was alluding at in my comparison to masons. Same thing here. One of my accounts is bound to die at one given time.

Do you really think that Scumdaras would give up the whole thing like that?

The best way to play the role as scum is to keep hidden, keep low, don't post anything that may compromise you, and only come in to hammah/vote. That's how I played in when I actually got a comparable role with an alt (though I never got to hammah or post anything at all, as I got SKilled).

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: Reference. Bad game, bad players, and my Alt didn't make one post in the entire damn thread, but you get the point.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zippers make sounds that sound like mice. The claim makes sense in the context of this game. Also, the flavor almost certainly precludes Zindie/CC being scum. I don't think Zind is making this up.

[theopor_COD]

It's funny. When I got my PM I sent in choices because I thought it was night.

Hmm . . .

As for Carbon Copy/Zindaras. I reckon it adds up ok role wise. Not sure what I make of the Inventor side of things mind and the fact Zindy has two roles both supposedly good guys.

Mod any chance Blahgo could put in an appearance.

[bertrand]

"Not random-ish" vote count:

Carbon Copy (5, -2): Dragon Phoenix, theopor_COD, DrippingGoofball, Thesp, Primate

Zindaras (1, -6): Carbon Copy, Glork
theopor_COD (1, -6): Wizardcat
DrippingGoofball (1, -6): Thesp
Primate (1, -6): massive
massive (1, -6): ubertimmy

Not voting: everyone else.

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch, and 7 to lynch.

blahgo will be prodded

[Thesp]

Zippers make sounds that sound like mice. The claim makes sense in the context of this game. Also, the flavor almost certainly precludes Zindie/CC being scum. I don't think Zind is making this up.

I can adopt a wait-and-see approach.

[Glork]

Primate, do you believe Zindie's rolename claim? At this point, do you think he is more likely to be pro-town or a scumbag?

Unvote

, as I thought I had done so earlier.

[massive]

Well, the quality of life has certainly improved here. And I think I actually might have learned something from Glork and his "Paragon of Mafia Hunters" label. That was pretty impressive detective work.

I do think it's right that, if town, the Mafia can't let Zindaras get too far with both his players. He becomes like a double-voter at that time, and makes for fuzzy math.

I'd be interested why Primate said this:

[quote=Primate]Sorry zindie, but that's a complete fabrication. [/quote]

(post 71) -- I don't think that's been effectively answered.

[Zindaras]

I thought I was voting Primate...

Vote: Primate

[Dragon Phoenix]

Unvote Carbon Copy

Need a re-read.

[Glork]

Vote: Primate

Hunch+

[DrippingGoofball]

Zorro told me to vote for Primate too, for pressure. Not finding Primate scummy, but hey.

vote: Primate

[Primate]

Is there a reason for and of this? Barring Zindies utter OMGUS, that is.

[Glork]

I realized that if Zindie is legit (which I am starting to lean towards), it would be the perfect time for scum to push the lynch against him. You claimed that Zindie's Rainbow/CC was a complete "fabrication," but when he asked you what you meant with that statement, you really never elaborated. You seemed also to be fishing a little too hard when you wanted role/ability info from both Zindaras and CarbonCopy; it's highly likely that we can only lynch one of them today, and lynching one should be a litmus test for the alignment of the other (unless Bertrand's bastard-modding is

really

bad and he gave Zindie two roles with

different

alignments and win conditions).

Zindie's OMGUSy reaction really has nothing to do with it, in my eyes. When I skimmed back over your attacks on him, I found something that I didn't like in them. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but if there's a scum who pushed for a Zindaras/CC claim or lynch, I definitely think that it's much more likely to be primate than either Thesp or myself. We are pretty freaking sweet, afterall, and I see little reason to believe that either of us lack a third dimension to our catness. I suppose it's

possible

that we were all misguided townies, but I do not find that terribly likely to be the case.

[Zindaras]

I wanted to use one of my accounts to vote Primate over his 4th vote on Wizardcat, but I see I never did. I thought I had.

My vote on him isn't pure OMGUS, though I didn't really like the way he attacked me either. I don't like the way he wagoned onto Wizardcat early on, unvoting an earlier vote to cast a new one.

[Primate]

I should have just done this from the beginning.

I am Little Nicky, future clone.

I represent two cloned, identical, cats. Because of this, I have two lives. Lynch me and I won't die etc.

My role and Zindies Role are near

identical

. Do you really think that this town has two sets of multiple life townies?

@Zindie: Way to stretch like hell.

[Primate]

I'm not entirely sure what it is, but if there's a scum who pushed for a Zindaras/CC claim or lynch, I definitely think that it's much more likely to be primate than either Thesp or myself.

Thesp is a spanner >=(

[Zindaras]

My role and Zindies Role are near

identical

. Do you really think that this town has two sets of multiple life townies?

Yes. Also, if I remember correctly, one-shot unkillability is an often-used godfather ability.

There are very few famous cats, you know. It's funny because I did a bit of research about famous cats for Kitten Mafia, a game I'm hosting elsewhere.

@Zindie: Way to stretch like hell.

I prefer to use what little behaviour I have to go on to place my vote rather than not do anything at all.

[Primate]

often used? I assume you're embellishing the truth there, again. When you say 'often used', you mean, 'is not completely unknown'.

There are very few famous cats, you know. It's funny because I did a bit of research about famous cats for Kitten Mafia, a game I'm hosting elsewhere.

There's what? 9, maybe 8 townies in this game? I'm sure you managed to come up with 9 famous cats. And even if he did, he wouldn't use such similar abilities on such similar roles.

And your idealistic defence of your omgus is noted.

[Zindaras]

often used? I assume you're embellishing the truth there, again. When you say 'often used', you mean, 'is not completely unknown'.

Oh, I was under the impression that it was, in fact, pretty known, as I think someone actually used it against me once.

There's what? 9, maybe 8 townies in this game? I'm sure you managed to come up with 9 famous cats. And even if he did, he wouldn't use such similar abilities on such similar roles.

No, not really. I didn't do an in depth search, to be honest, but a quick search only delivered a couple of kittens/cats. Most famous cats are fictional.

And your idealistic defence of your omgus is noted.

It's not an OMGUS-vote. That you're accusing me of that is bullcrap.

[theopor_COD]

[quote="Primate"]Do you really think that this town has two sets of multiple life townies?
[quote]

Cat's have nine lives so anything's possible!

However, if Carbon Copy is town then Zindy is. I cannot believe the mod would let him have one town, one scum role. They're either both town or both scum. I'd probably lean towards townie but as we don't know I'm pretty content keeping my vote on the Copy at the mo.

As for Primate's two lives well I guess even if we lynch him, we won't learn much from it because you could still just as easily be scum or town.

[massive]

Primate's role claim is ridiculous in the face of a proven similar role, and his role doesn't match his role. Claiming to be a "future clone" (Nicky has already been cloned) and purporting lynch immunity doesn't make sense.

PS: Primate's role isn't actually like Zindaras's role, which offers him a second vote as well.

I'm very happy with my vote.