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[IH]

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“Many things--such as loving, going to sleep, or behaving unaffectedly--are done worst when we try hardest to do them.” - C.S Lewis

Nai - 4 - (Elias_the_thief, Thestatusquo, massive_goonery, Panzerjager)
massive_goonery - 2 - (Ripley, PBug)
Thestatusquo - 1 - (Nai)
CoG888 - 1 - (IH)

Not voting - 4 - (Sailor Jerry, trestain, bird1111, CoG888)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone!
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Err, especially since we've had around a whole page of posts in about 24 hours. That's not to bad...

FoS:Bird, Shea

Dude, thats a crap reason for a claim on page 2.

[Thestatusquo]

It doesn't matter how early it is. Claim = good. FOOL!!

[Nai]

Yeah? Let's look at this for a minute. I claim. Town sees I'm town. They go after someone else, and get ANOTHER claim. That's two claims in one day, which helps the mafia either find a power role (if we don't find one of them first), or, either way, narrow down the list to FINDING a power role.

No, a claim is not always good. Especially if the reason for the claim/bandwagon is complete and utter crap, as is the case here.

[Thestatusquo]

Yeah? Let's look at this for a minute. I claim. Town sees I'm town. They go after someone else, and get ANOTHER claim. That's two claims in one day, which helps the mafia either find a power role (if we don't find one of them first), or, either way, narrow down the list to FINDING a power role.

No, a claim is not always good. Especially if the reason for the claim/bandwagon is complete and utter crap, as is the case here.

That logic holds true for every single day 1 claim....

[Nai]

What, the 'force a claim out of someone with crap for reason'? And how often does that actually snag scum?

[PJ.]

33% of the time.

[Nai]

Where do you get that figure? I'd say that it was the amount of scum in a 12 person game, but I've usually seen it as 3 people.

[PJ.]

Scum normally makes up about a quarter of game on average, plus new scum could increase the effectiveness, along with bastard mod games that have a huge number of scum will increase the effectiveness. So I'm guessing that a third or so of the time it is effective. I have seen it in quite a few of my games and I am a newer player. Shea was in my first game on a different site. I was quickly lynched.

[Nai]

Well, let me ask you about this, out of curiosity: What do you think about the 'case' against me at the moment?

[Thestatusquo]

Nai, that's not even the only reason for a day one wagon

[Thestatusquo]

Like we get information about who was on and off of it..

[Thestatusquo]

When we analyze voting patters later on. You know that

[Thestatusquo]

Plus, there have been several noteworthy reactions.

[Thestatusquo]

That have occured already with/about this wagon. rar

[Nai]

Edit by way of quintuple post, TSQ?

And yes, I know the reasons for a bandwagon. But I think you get a lot less information out of a bandwagon for a stupid reason (since intelligent posters wouldn't want to be part of that) than you would an intelligent reason.

[Thestatusquo]

Edit by way of quintuple post, TSQ?

No. I wish

And yes, I know the reasons for a bandwagon. But I think you get a lot less information out of a bandwagon for a stupid reason (since intelligent posters wouldn't want to be part of that) than you would an intelligent reason.

First this assumes we have intelligent scum[/quote]

[Thestatusquo]

Second it ignores what I say about what HAS occurred..

[Nai]

No, it also assumes intelligent town. No intelligent townie is going to jump on a stupid bandwagon, knowing the scum will turn that against them later on to help them get lynched.

And what do you say about what has occured?

[Thestatusquo]

Read my posts 62 and 63 more carefully. Then youll see.

[Nai]

I thought you might be referring to someone else. I've found a few reactions I'd love to continue on tomorrow, too.

[IH]

unvote, vote:Shea

Dude, bandwagons are NOT for day 1 claims. That's playing like Coolbot, where you go for the most claims out of the day. If you play this way, we essentially mass claim in a drawn out fashion.

[Elias_the_thief]

unvote, vote:Shea

Dude, bandwagons are NOT for day 1 claims. That's playing like Coolbot, where you go for the most claims out of the day. If you play this way, we essentially mass claim in a drawn out fashion.

it would only be a drawn out mass claim if we were dumb enough to cause that many claims. causing one person to claim isnt a great idea, but it's not as bad as you're saying. as I see it, Nai is the only one to present any scummy behavior at all, and that was only overdefensiveness. i guess ill

unvote

[massive_goonery]

Just a warning: He is now 2 from lynch. claim now please

This is incorrect, he was 3 from lynch at the time. Using false information to fish for a claim?

Holy SHIT.

Unvote, Vote: massive_goonery; major FoS: Panzerjager

Are you kidding me? Voting this fast by Page 2? Nai's questions make sense, and I myself wonder about their answers.

I voted goonery over Panzer because Panzer actually has substantial reasoning, whereas goonery just seemed to be like "Tra-la-la-la-la, there's room for me to bandwagon."

PBuG speaks major truthery. I glork many pants......

If he is speaking such "major thruthery", why are you still holding a vote for Nai?

At the moment, Shea is by far the scummiest, with Nai fading some. However, I fear that if he gets run up too quickly we won't learn anything from his lynching. Figuring out whether Nai is town or scum would give massive context to posts #46 and #42. And I do still think he is mafia; I stand by my original post #32 and Elias_the_thief sums up my thoughts to his reaction very well in his post #44.

I'd like to hear what the lurkers think about this before I decide which way to go, so

unvote

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[Thestatusquo]

I'm like 86.3234% sure that goonery is scum. Yeah....

[TBuG]

WHAT THE HELL MAKES NAI SCUMMY.

Oh, and BTW

unvote, vote:

shea

tsq

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