Mini 456: Ultimatum Mafia - Game Over!

[mneme]

Sparks: your last post had some actual content and went halfway toward making sense. congrats. Please stop acting offensive, using homosexual as an insult, etc -- there's no purpose to it and it ticks people off.

If you want to challenge me, come get some. I won't have to read to your drivel for the rest of the game, so even if you beat the odds, it's all good.

Your objectiion to "nominating" is totally a vocabulary question -- I chose "nominate" because of the game's theme and because this game -has- a formal voting process -- you know, the thing after the challenge. Therefore the "voting" process earlier has to be something different. Therefore I decided to call it "nominating" rather than "voting."

Re why have rules: because otherwise, the nominations ("votes") have no teeth -- there's no reason for people to vote honestly, and there's no threshold between "if you challenge, we'll kick your butt because you're ending the day to early and hurting the town" and "yeah, go challenge; it's about bloody time." What the rules are doesn't matter so much as that the nominations have to have teeth. It's worth noting that nearly everyone involved in discussing our town agreement (ie, what we expect that nominating/voting means, and what we'll more or less bind people to by expectation) was also playing mafia -- nominating or whatever while they talked.

I'm not sure who "meme" is. I know who MeMe is. and I know who mneme is. But "meme?" I'm pretty sure that's not a player in this game.

Stoofer's been pretty active. But, yes, disappeared for one day. People do that, though he did make two posts in a Newb game today.

Your lurker list is fairly accurate -- dylan and Spin are both very useless.

Dean: tried to softpeddle "scum". Used major craplogic ("if we can figure out who's scum, we'll win!"). Objected to the actual plan of voting, rather than what you've done which more consists of objecting to everything about the plan except that it's close enough to what you're already planning to do to make no never-you-mind.

He also made that crap post (worse than no post), then dropped into dead silence after people pointed out that it was pure, unadulterated craplogic and started noming him for it. Hasn't posted since dawn Friday. I'm guessing the 4 (was 5) people on his wagon are not his buddies bussing him -- could be all town, more likely some combination of town and opposing scum. He made a very nice target there.

And a primary thing:

It's not Stoofer's plan. It's my plan. The outline of my plan was in post 6 (the first player post of the game). Stoofer's first plan was his horrible "let's not challenge anyone, but just let things devolve to a lurker" post 10. I nom'd him in post 13 for that lousy idea, and he reformulated his idea to be much more like mine. His second plan was post 14, which was my plan with a fallback to his original plan (a much better idea, but still not all that great). Later discussion has left us with something between my first plan and my second (double-bandwagons), with not much in between. So please stop calling this plan Stoofer's -- it's not. He's done a great job in putting it into point by point form and changing it to reflect discussion, but if anyone gets credit/blame for the idea, it's me.

[mneme]

And..naturally I missed another opportunity to get a nom count on the top of the page.

Here it is, then (not much change).

Nomination Count!

dylan: 1 (Yosarian2)
Van Damien: 1 (Stoofer)
Fonz: 1 (Carrotcake)
Stoofer: 1 (Sparks)
Stewie: 1 (Dan Monkey)
DeanWinchester: 4 (Fonz,Stoofer, dylan, mneme)
Sparks: 3 (mneme, stewie, yosarian2)

[pablito]

BTW, if you guys are going to bold your nomination system actions during the challenge phase, then please make sure that the actual challenge is very visible, so we can see the challenge happen.

That report was mandated by the federal elections committee. The FEC. You make my life miserable, by forcing underground radio to certain standards in order to stay on the air. I just wish that you government types allow us to say what ever we want on the radio. Over here, we're going to cover the elections in an exciting fashion. We are going to make voodoo dolls of all the candidates and throw them into a lion pit at the FSOCL zoo to see which one the lions vomit up first. That will be the candidate we refuse to support. If we had enough funding, we'll just throw the actual candidates in the lion's den, like a gladiator fight. We'll return to the airwaves later, but the police are knocking on the station door right now.

Deadline to Challenge: randomized moment between June 11th-12th
Deadline to Lynch: June 16th 23:59 EDT

[Stewie]

Your objectiion to "nominating" is totally a vocabulary question -- I chose "nominate" because of the game's theme and because this game -has- a formal voting process -- you know, the thing after the challenge. Therefore the "voting" process earlier has to be something different. Therefore I decided to call it "nominating" rather than "voting."

Not to mention that in this game, when voting actually occurs it is to save the person you are voting from a lynch, not to lynch them. Therefore, a separate term is helpful.

[SpinWizard]

nominate Sparks

what do u have to say?

[Sparks]

(a)

Nobody make a challenge. Instead we let the Mod enforce this rule:

If no one has volunteered to be the Challenger, then the person with the least recent post at deadline will be named the Challenger.

This will encourage everyone to post regularly. And it also avoids a jumpy Townie challenging another jumpy Townie (which is what will happen with any other strategy).

(b)

The Challenger challenges the person who has made the fewest

substantive

contributions.

(c)

If the Nominee does not make a Challenge, then we let the Mod enforce the rule below; and everyone will vote to evict the Nominee.

If no one has volunteered to be the Challenger, then the person with the least recent post at deadline will be named the Challenger.

we let the Mod enforce the same rule.

(e)

Unless

(c)

applies, the Challenger will challenge the person who has made the fewest

substantive

contributions.

etc. etc.


notice how Yosarian takes ONE part of my post, and responds to it incorrectly, and then immediately labels the rset of it as unhelpful. yosarian clearly lied about wnating to find people who didnt contribute, as i lableled two, and stewie clearly didnt even read my post. im pretty sure "strong mafia playres" actaulyl read posts :rolleyes:

[Sparks]

oh and you guys just proved u are lyncing me based on semantics. that is such a good reason to lynch someone.

just ilke you all bandwagoned deanwinchester for saying hes town. because mafia are clearly more likely to say theyre town than town.

[Sparks]

nominate Sparks

what do u have to say?

more than you cosnidering your two posts in this game ahve been asking about the mechanic.



seriously if one scum group is like dylan-dan-spinwizard you guys are seriously idiots for lettin them make NO POSTS AT ALL.

[Sparks]

and i love how were STILL DISCUSSING the semantics of stoofers plan rather than finding lurkers and scum which is what i pointed out in my pst lareayd. but of course everyone ignores the convinient part.

what about my acse agaisnt stewie? stewie ignores that
i ask for reasons for my vote, stewie AND yos AND meme ignore that

if yos seriously thinks ive been less helpfil than danmonkey, spinwizard, and dylan combined, he is a huge idiot ecuase thats as plain aslike a two year old.

[Sparks]

serously ive givven like three avenues of discussion, the plans have given one, evreyone else has given 0

-the speed of deanwinchesters bandwagon and the lack of reaosning around it seeing as while deanwinchesters post wasnt hlepful, it wasnt really all that more likely to come from scum than town

-how by appointin yourself to catch people who arent really contributing you are doing an easily done task and can skate by not really contributing becuz youre just voting people less active than you

-how we have three lurkers and how two of them have only been on the bigest bandwagon

yet every1 ignores these, im bein much more helpful than yosarian who ahs only voted people randomly in the game and go OMG UR SPELLIN IS NOT THAT GOOD, well sry if english isnt my first language but i dont even have a spell checker and my internet access is limited to short periods around the day.

[Yosarian2]

Sparks, that hasn't been stoofer's plan since way back on page one, he's been supporting the nominations and stuff. And that's what you were clearly talkign about, since you were talking about nominations being a bad move.

And while I obveously agree with going after inactives, at the moment I actually think that your posting is much more harmful to the town then they're lack of posting. And it has very little to do with your spelling. It has more to do with the way that your lack of logic, your insults, your total lack of logic, your unwillingness you explain yourself, and your lack of manners is making it very hard for anyone else to accomplish anything else here.

This kind of random and innane insult, for example, just hurts your case:

if yos seriously thinks ive been less helpfil than danmonkey, spinwizard, and dylan combined, he is a huge idiot ecuase thats as plain aslike a two year old.

And the only reason we're still discussing the plan at this point is because you flipped out about it and kept going on about how it was hurting the town, without ever giving a good logical reason why. You keep changing your story, and now you're trying to say that it's "just a matter of semantics". IF so, then why did you flip out and insult and attack everyone in favor of some kind of plan and voting system?

At this point, I want to lynch you just because I don't see us accomplishing anything else or making any progess in finding scum so long as you continue to rant and scream and insult people in long incomprehensible posts that ramble on about nothing. Your lurkerhunting was a reasonable move, but it was buried by the garbage you keep spewing here. I just can't really see the way you're acting as helping the town in any way, and the way you reacted to mneme's comments does make me think you might be scum with insider information.

By the way, everyone, we're going to want someone to challange before the end of the day today, I believe, just to be on the safe side.

[Stewie]

OMG UR SPELLIN IS NOT THAT GOOD, well sry if english isnt my first language but i dont even have a spell checker and my internet access is limited to short periods around the day.

Don't play the "English is not my first language" card. I already implied that verbs in the present tense have an

ing

ending, not an

in

ending. Then there's places when it seems as if you switched letter around, and can easily be fixed by proofreading yourself (post before this one you said "acse" instead of "case." Then there's the MSN abbreviations (you used "omg" and "sry" on the same post). Don't play the "limited access" card either, because the mod said that you'd need to be active to play this game, and that includes putting time into your posts rather than spewing something out in 5 minutes.


Deadline for me is 10pm and it's 12pm (minimum deadline, at least) so I'll challenge this guy if nobody else made a challenge by then, unless someone objects to that.

[pablito]

According to our prod schedule, several have been sent prods.

[The Fonz]

and i love how were STILL DISCUSSING the semantics of stoofers plan rather than finding lurkers and scum which is what i pointed out in my pst lareayd. but of course everyone ignores the convinient part.

This is mildly amusing, considering the thing you're complaining about is ENTIRELY YOUR FAULT.

oh and you guys just proved u are lyncing me based on semantics. that is such a good reason to lynch someone.

just ilke you all bandwagoned deanwinchester for saying hes town. because mafia are clearly more likely to say theyre town than town.

I don't know about anyone else, but I voted him for craplogic, and trying to appear to be contributing without actually saying anything more than truisms.

if yos seriously thinks ive been less helpfil than danmonkey, spinwizard, and dylan combined, he is a huge idiot ecuase thats as plain aslike a two year old.

Their contribution has been essentially minimal. This is bad, but yours has been actively detrimental to the town, which is worse. Plus, you said this:

ow by appointin yourself to catch people who arent really contributing you are doing an easily done task and can skate by not really contributing becuz youre just voting people less active than you

Accusing others of going after inactives/non-contributors, which of course is exactly what you just did.

Frankly, Sparks, I'm quite glad you look scummy. It gets me off the hook of a moral dilemma- you see, your homophobic and personally abusive comments are making this game much less enjoyable for me, but of course if they were combined with a general appearance of townishness, I'd have to weigh the desire to get rid of you with my duty to my town-mates to search out scum. Fortunately, I don't have to.

Now, a note here: Right now I'm not going to remove my Dean nomination, since he made one craptastic post, and has disappeared since, and I don't want to allow this to become an acceptable tactic to avoid getting nommed. I've already expressed my opposition to double-nominations.

However, with the deadline approaching, I'd be entirely comfortable with seeing sparks forced to challenge too. Consider it a second preference, if we're thinking in a single transferrable vote kinda way.

[dylan41985]

Everytime Sparks gives a long, complex analysis of the game, I get more suspicious.

P.S. I am here, but want to be very cautious before accusing others at this point in the game.

[The Fonz]

Don't be. This is speed mafia, and we have to put someone up to challenge, and SOON. What you're doing looks like trying to avoid having to contribute.

[Sparks]

And while I obveously agree with going after inactives, at the moment I actually think that your posting is much more harmful to the town then they're lack of posting. And it has very little to do with your spelling. It has more to do with the way that your lack of logic, your insults, your total lack of logic, your unwillingness you explain yourself, and your lack of manners is making it very hard for anyone else to accomplish anything else here.

dis is ilogical for abut 5 reasons.

1. if u believ my postin in detrimantal but im not scum then IGNORE IT. at least im givin u guys somethin to go on

2. you have not pointed out ANY LACK OF LOGIC. you keep sayin that over and over, i ask for one example, you have NOT PROVIDED IT. also, lack of lgic != scum, if you thikn a part of my post is ilogical then IGNORE IT or POINT IT OUT

3. "unwillingness you explain yourself" nopw this is just plain bs

It did. The point was that you were not answering my questions, and saying they were stupid to get out of doing so.

point to a singel helpful relevant question that i have not answered and i will answer it

if no one ahs chosen to take me up on this offer how dio i know i missed sumthin?

4. "making it very hard for anyone else to accomplish anything else here." yes i am sured that i am makin it impossible for you to cacomplish anything. this is so untrue that its not evne funny that u guys are lettin him get away with this

5. insults + manner != scum

And the only reason we're still discussing the plan at this point is because you flipped out about it and kept going on about how it was hurting the town, without ever giving a good logical reason why. You keep changing your story, and now you're trying to say that it's "just a matter of semantics". IF so, then why did you flip out and insult and attack everyone in favor of some kind of plan and voting system?

I SAID IT WAS DISTRACTING ABOUT 6 TIMEZ, HOW IS THAT NO REASONS AND HOW IS THAT CHANGIN MY STORY??? STEWIE WAS ON MY CASE FOR SUMTHING ABOUT NOMINATING/VOTING, THAT IS SEMANTICS.

I just can't really see the way you're acting as helping the town in any way, and the way you reacted to mneme's comments does make me think you might be scum with insider information.

and i wuld just obviously give it away to the town. meme is the one actin like she had insider information and she made a dumb assertion that i am doin it because my scumbuddies are whinin at me. so i replied in the same tone

Don't play the "English is not my first language" card. I already implied that verbs in the present tense have an

ing

ending, not an

in

ending. Then there's places when it seems as if you switched letter around, and can easily be fixed by proofreading yourself (post before this one you said "acse" instead of "case." Then there's the MSN abbreviations (you used "omg" and "sry" on the same post). Don't play the "limited access" card either, because the mod said that you'd need to be active to play this game, and that includes putting time into your posts rather than spewing something out in 5 minutes.

i like how stewie ignores my case again and goes to post about irrelevant stuff. how does sum spellin errors make what i said any less valid? and i am active, just not as active as you might be, i am ceraintly more active than at least six other ppl in this game.

However, with the deadline approaching, I'd be entirely comfortable with seeing sparks forced to challenge too. Consider it a second preference, if we're thinking in a single transferrable vote kinda way.

ok i wil review everyone

Everytime Sparks gives a long, complex analysis of the game, I get more suspicious.

P.S. I am here, but want to be very cautious before accusing others at this point in the game.

challenge: dylan

dis is the biggest newbie scumpost i have ever seen

[Yosarian2]

So, now we all vote for which one of the two we want to live, correct?

[pablito]

Sparks has challenged dylan41985.

The other ten of you must vote on who

you want to survive the debate

. Please choose for you want to win and remain in the game.

Deadline for all votes is: 23:59 EDT 16th of June.

Everyone must vote and you cannot unvote.

Please do not "confirm" your vote. You get one chance to vote, and that is it. Failure to vote will result in modkill. There will be no replacements until someone is lynched.

Whoever receives fewer votes will be lynched. Tie votes will result in the last vote being subtracted. A simple plurality of votes will lead to one person being saved.

[Guardian]

This is an NGR News Report!

Welcome, Citizens, to the second broadcast of the season here at National Government Radio! We know you all will be happy to know that we have quashed that competing station we told you about; we found their underground (literally) broadcasting station, and now have them on trial for seven counts of breaking up the government monopoly, including one count of plagiarism; they used the exact same deadline notice we did! With them out of the way, we should be able to bring you even better news coverage, less cluttered by trivial issues such as their insignificant little station.

True to form, we bring you up to the minute news that

Sparks

has challenged

dylan41985

to the first primary! We will bring you continued updates on this primary election, and continue to lead the radio waves with great industry standards such as always highlighting the challenger's name in red and the challengee's name in blue in primaries! Now that a challenge has occurred, you all must vote for whomever you believe to be the more worthy candidate of the two - the candidate you want to keep in the FSOCL! And remember, citizens, once you vote your vote is

final

- there is no place for unvoting in the FSOCL. All of you have a duty to vote by the end of June 16th!

Deadline to Vote: June 16th 23:59 EDT

NGR, proudly signing out!

[dylan41985]

wow sparks! Good thing you have your fellow political party members to help you out here.

I'm NOT going out without a fight.

[The Fonz]

I think a good start might be for each 'candidate' to make as in-depth a post as possible, beginning 'I believe [my opponent] is scum because...'

[Sparks]

i believ dylan is scum because of a theme running through all his posts. i will look at all of them:

The first one:

i also agree

this is comments on stoofer's plan. he just says i also agree, after a couple people alrdy have, lying low, nothing useful, no random vote or aynthing

his next post:

nominate DeanWinchester

[/b]

he is the third person on deanwinchester. onc eagain, it is directly after stoofer. now i have already said umltiple times how i did not like deanwinchesters bandwagon at all. he got 4 nominations in a relatively short period of time for a post that did not contribute anything, but just summed up what mafia is in a very generic way under the assumption deanwinchester is town. while dis is not helpful, i fail to see how it is more likely to come from scum than from town. there had bene many other unhelpful people already including spinwizard, danmonkey, etc. just to name a few.

next is this post:

Everytime Sparks gives a long, complex analysis of the game, I get more suspicious.

P.S. I am here, but want to be very cautious before accusing others at this point in the game.

he once again is following people, only doin what many people have said already. he provides no specifics and adds that he is active but wants to be "cautious." his quick third vote on deanwinchester wasnt exactly cautious was it? thoruhg all the discussion, he has had nothing to add

and finally htis latest post:

wow sparks! Good thing you have your fellow political party members to help you out here.

I'm NOT going out without a fight.

i could simply reply with NO U.

so in summary, dylan is scummy because of
-his lack of contribution
-his onyl following other people
-his weird distribution of attention, he singles out deanwinchester for no reason (im assuming ti was becasue of that one helpful post) but many other people had made unhelpful posts


i eagerly await for dylan's psot on me

[Sparks]

oh and i proofreaded that post twice stewie, i hope youre happy.

[The Fonz]

Proofread.