Mini 485: Formula One (Game Over)


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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:32 am

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Zindaras, you're up. Teammate or no?
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:08 am

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I already answered the bloody question:
Zindaras wrote:I don't have a teammate.
Now I just need Shanba's and Scope's answers and we're set.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:30 am

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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:45 am

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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:14 am

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We know who the dead guys' potential teammates were since this game is based on the real-world sport (something which you should definitely have noticed in a reread).

Jenson Button's teammate is Rubens Barrichello.
Takuma Sato's teammate is Anthony Davidson.
Alexander Wurz's teammate is Nico Rosberg.

If you look at Shanba's and Scope's claims, we can see the issue there. Shanba's teammate is Heiki Kovalainen and Scope's teammate is Ralf Schumacher.

Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld are teammates, yes, but here's one that's even more interesting: Lewis Hamilton is Fernando Alonso's teammate.

I think this is pretty interesting. Wario could be lying about being Fernando Alonso in the first place, which would mean that he doesn't know that IH was his teammate. But pulse could also be lying about being Nick Heidfeld. Since Paradox died before anyone even m entioned the word teammate, we have no way of knowing if he had one in his PM. If pulse figured that all pure townies had teammates, then this could be an indicator of pulsescum. I'm also not sure I think pulse's behaviour regarding Dissy when she claimed to have a teammate is indicative of someone who has a teammate himself.
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:57 pm

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Sorry I missed your answer

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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:58 pm

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EBWOP: everyone else fits the pattern but Zindaras. Now I'd be looking at pulse or wario as a scumbuddy.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:05 pm

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Goddammit, what kind of retard are you? Have you, perhaps, considered reading
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about the theme?
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:06 pm

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Actually, did you even read the post I made earlier about the dead people's teammates?
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:01 am

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Since I can't really ignore this rampant idiocy, as we're in LyLo, here's a rebuttal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formu ... nd_drivers

*GASP*

I expect everyone that posts after this to have read this. Anyone who pushes any kind of theory which is flat-out impossible with the theme information this article gives us is getting my vote, period.


I'm absolutely flabbergasted by the failure of some of the other players in this thread to even find out the simplest, most basic bits of information about the theme, instead favouring the use of retarded theories that would be easily disproven by any knowledge of earlier referred to theme.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:37 am

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Zindaras wrote:We know who the dead guys' potential teammates were since this game is based on the real-world sport (something which you should definitely have noticed in a reread).

Jenson Button's teammate is Rubens Barrichello.
Takuma Sato's teammate is Anthony Davidson.
Alexander Wurz's teammate is Nico Rosberg.

If you look at Shanba's and Scope's claims, we can see the issue there. Shanba's teammate is Heiki Kovalainen and Scope's teammate is Ralf Schumacher.

Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld are teammates, yes, but here's one that's even more interesting: Lewis Hamilton is Fernando Alonso's teammate.

I think this is pretty interesting. Wario could be lying about being Fernando Alonso in the first place, which would mean that he doesn't know that IH was his teammate. But pulse could also be lying about being Nick Heidfeld. Since Paradox died before anyone even m entioned the word teammate, we have no way of knowing if he had one in his PM. If pulse figured that all pure townies had teammates, then this could be an indicator of pulsescum. I'm also not sure I think pulse's behaviour regarding Dissy when she claimed to have a teammate is indicative of someone who has a teammate himself.
I'm a little confused as to what your final conclusion is. Do you recon players who should have teammates but don't are scum, or players who got their teammates wrong are scum, or something else entirely? I think I understand the point about SirWario (claiming a drvier who was teammates with the SK correct?) and I agree that makes him look scummy. I think I also understand your point about pulse, but I see it as weaker. Also, I'm hesitant to base my vote in lylo on a flavour issue, when Sope still looks much scummier.

Oman, your vote is idiotic.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:38 am

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Zindy, perhaps you could explain why Oman's theory is bupkus? I am a little confused here. If only vanilla townies received their teammate's name in their role PM, then theoretically you would have received one also. What IS your current theory regarding the teammates?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:42 am

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Shanba wrote:I'm a little confused as to what your final conclusion is. Do you recon players who should have teammates but don't are scum, or players who got their teammates wrong are scum, or something else entirely? I think I understand the point about SirWario (claiming a drvier who was teammates with the SK correct?) and I agree that makes him look scummy. I think I also understand your point about pulse, but I see it as weaker. Also, I'm hesitant to base my vote in lylo on a flavour issue, when Sope still looks much scummier.
There is no real final conclusion. It's speculation. I'm raising the following possibilities:

-SirWario is faking a Fernando Alonso claim. After all, Fernando Alonso's teammate, Lewis Hamilton, is in the game. If we assume that all teammates know their counterpart is in the game, then SirWario should be aware of that.

-pulsewidth is faking a Nick Heidfeld claim. Pulsewidth thinks that all vanilla townies have teammates (like Oman), and so he's claiming to have one, even though he doesn't really have one.
pulsewidth wrote:Zindy, perhaps you could explain why Oman's theory is bupkus? I am a little confused here. If only vanilla townies received their teammate's name in their role PM, then theoretically you would have received one also. What IS your current theory regarding the teammates?
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:45 am

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I'm inclined to agree with Oman though. It would make sense. Problem is, I wasn't trusting Oman's predecesors at all. Currently only trusting SirWario and Shanba.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:23 am

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That post was unfinished, I'll correct it later (I thought I was posting it in my notes. >.<)

Also, Scope, what the hell?
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:38 am

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I really don't care about the teamate thing(since I know I don't have one). I don't see why I would fake a name claim. Wouldn't I just change my role instead of changing my driver's name as well? Right now I'm looking at a Pulse and Zindaras pairing. Little less sure about Zindy though.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:43 am

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It's speculation. Nowhere do I suggest that I find it likely. But since Lewis Hamilton is Fernando Alonso's teammate (which is a fact, check the article I linked to), I find it somewhat odd that you wouldn't know it.

I think it's odd that we have the following teams in the game:

BMW-Robert Kubica (Doc)/Nick Heidfeld (Townie): Aware of being team.
Ferrari-Kimi Raikkonen (Townie)/Felipe Massa (Townie): Aware of being team.
McLaren-Lewis Hamilton (SK)/Fernando Alonso (Roleblocker): Not aware of being team.

You have to admit that there's something wrong here.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:10 pm

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I don't doubt that they are partners in real life. The game doesn't have to be 100% accurate to the theme though.

Did Pulse claim to have a partner earlier in the game and I missed it? If he did, did he say that Para was his partner?
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:45 pm

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My vote stands, perhaps it is rather idiodic, but we massclaimed and Zindaras' stinks of scum.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:49 pm

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Oman, before the massclaim you stated that SW and KScope were scummiest. Are you voting Zindy based solely off this theory of yours or are there other reasons?
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:05 pm

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Zindaras hasn't been a white sheet the whole time, there is some scummy actions (I think I'v e referenced them earlier), basically a massclaim gives the town (and scum) a lot of information, and if I'm the only one working off it, well that sucks.

I think SirWario and Kscope are mutually exclusive scum due to their claims countering eachother.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:50 pm

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SirWario wrote:I don't doubt that they are partners in real life. The game doesn't have to be 100% accurate to the theme though.

Did Pulse claim to have a partner earlier in the game and I missed it? If he did, did he say that Para was his partner?
Everything we've had fits the theme like a glove. Even stuff like this:
Massa winner in Bahrain

Hamilton sets record with 3rd consecutive podium
If I remember correctly, this is also what happened in the real Bahrain.

JDodge has based this game on the 2007 Formula One season. There is no reason to diverge from it in any way. But, hey, I'll indulge you.

Mod
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Oman wrote:My vote stands, perhaps it is rather idiodic, but we massclaimed and Zindaras' stinks of scum.
This is impressive, because you've said absolute squat about it before.
Oman wrote:Zindaras hasn't been a white sheet the whole time, there is some scummy actions (I think I'v e referenced them earlier), basically a massclaim gives the town (and scum) a lot of information, and if I'm the only one working off it, well that sucks.
You're not the only one working off it. You're the only one working off your "theory" that JDodge screwed with the fundamentals of the theme.
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Put the look on OJ early, yet did not vote. Also condemned early wagoning of him.

Lurks a bit, but seems to be scumhunting (if not often) well.

Obviously rereading a good catch on my predecessor’s wagoning proves you’re reading the game.
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The unvote puts this in this category.

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Against the name claims. I’m interestingly spilt here as name claims usually do nothing for either side. Though the name claims lead to mass claim, and I’m sure scum would love that, so I’m torn.

I don’t like the “post or die scum” bits cause we’re a bit close to the deadline and you’re throwing votes on lurkers.
Well, this is impressive. I'm scum because I'm against a name claim, when we have no idea what the power roles have, and we have no idea what the scum have. So it would've been useless. And, seriously, a name claim leading into a mass claim? Yeah right.

The post or die scum bits are also not a scumtell. The lynch was decided (DeadSauce), so I was free to pressure some lurkers.
I think SirWario and Kscope are mutually exclusive scum due to their claims countering eachother.
Dude. Seriously.

This doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:00 pm

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You're right sorry

I meant Sir Wario and Shanba as mutually exclusive.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:01 pm

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Zindaras wrote:
Mod
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Yes.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:33 am

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Either Zindaras or Shanba is his partner.

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