The Mafia Dating Game Show!! - game over!

[Fro99er]

MS claimed 1-shot tracker and gave a guilty result on jingle. Yesterday's 3-person lynch pool was MS, jingle, and titus. I argued that (again barring some extremely unlikely gambit) MS was conftown and should be saved. Others (Titus being the most vocal) argued that MS and Jingle should be put up together since this guaranteed 1 scum kill. They were afraid of the (IMO remote) possibility that Jingle and titus were both town and we would lose. So, titus was saved, and MS flipped as claimed.

And this is Persivul figuring the game out. I can give you more links to Persivul town games where he (and I) together figure the game out.

MS should have been saved especially knowing Titus is claiming VT. IF town, she should have claimed VT right then and there and said MS wasn't lying and that Jingle was obvscum. But she didn't want to get herself and Jingle both lynched (or not saved, or whatever you call it).

She should have realized the only possibility that MS wasn't confirmed town was either a weird (and awful) scum gambit, or if ZZZX was somehow a town role that prevented or absorbed a NK. But she herself was "scum" reading him

Hell no ZZZX. You are a scum suspect of mine.

so she knew that wasn't the case.

Instead, she went into survival mode:

VOTE: Titus

@Persival, having one conftown tomorrow does us jackshit if we have two scums.

stop fearmongering

the probability of me being scum is less than you being scum

oh and you cant vote to save yourself!

And MS called her bullshit. MS should have been saved.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't understand why there cannot be five scum today. I'll ask farside myself.

[Titus]

@Hermit, if there were five scum, we could not get elected as decider most likely.

@Frogger, I didn't state that the kill had anything to do with you not reading, but rather your persivul was scum case was shit. Second, I was pretty clear, before I was the lynch target that a 1 v 1 was the safest and better route.

Your claim about Persivul solving the game is shit. He's scum or been convinced he has solved the game for two days now.

Your repeated focus on proving me as scum despite a directive from the conftown to prove Persivul as town is telling. You say Persivul has been scummy but then you say he's town told.

A town case isn't everyone is reading Person as town, therefore he is town. Popularity = right is a logical fallacy.

Hermit likely asked that question to display critical thinking about each other, which neither of you are doing. This endgame townhunting is more important than scumhunting.

Now, as for Persival being town, it's a bit intertwined with Frogger being scum so bear with me. That will be in my next post.

[Fro99er]

Technically, I guess there could be two scum, but that would be silly.

Scum could guarantee only one of them go up for lynch, because they know about when the day phase would start. As soon as Farside unlocks the day phase one scum could pile two vote onto town A, the other scum could pile two votes onto town B. This means there are 4 town votes left. Town can either do 4-0, 3-1, or 2-2 on the scum. So the scenarios are:

4-2-2-0 (S-T-T-S)
3-2-2-1 (S-T-T-S)
2-2-2-2 (T-T-S-S)

So the first two scenarios guarantee two town go up and one scum is the saver. He chooses to save the scumbuddy.

The third scenario the only way two scum go up is if town gets two votes on each scum player before scum gets two votes on each town player. Since scum would have the knowledge, it's almost guaranteed they would do this first.

[Fro99er]

@Frogger, I didn't state that the kill had anything to do with you not reading

Now, that ZZZX kill is wierd. ZZZX was almost a certain lynch to anyone following the game.

[Fro99er]

I guess you didn't say me explicity, but you sure as heck implied it.

[farside22]

Vote count of love:

Titus (5) persivul (x2), titus (2), frogger
Frogger (1), hermit
Persivul (1) hermit

8 votes 5 to lynch

Deadline August 10, 6:00 pm est

We have are 3 bachelor's.

Hermit you get to decide which player wins the date.

Gl!

[Fro99er]

Your claim about Persivul solving the game is shit. He's scum or been convinced he has solved the game for two days now..

No, he really is trying to solve the game. I never said he *solved* it. But if he's town then he really has solved it.

I just use him trying to solve the game as a strong town tell for Persivul because I have such history with him.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Persivul noted that Tony and me would be "sure" night kills last night for saving Titus. I would like him to explain this more, or maybe someone can explain it on his behalf?

[Fro99er]

So i'm arguing Perceval is town and Titus is arguing Percevil is town but Titus is saying it is a fallacy to go with majority even though she is agreeing with me on who is town . So what is the problem?

Sorry for spelling punctuation and grammar I am voice posting

[St Constantine the Hermit]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there any information on why there are 2 night kills?

[Titus]

@Hermit, You and Miih were the closest slots to conftown at the time.

As for why Person is town, start with 1551 the vc by farside. Person is splitting his votes, ensuring town scum are likely wagone. Now look at Boo. Her votes are designed to keep just one scum viable, even asking Farside, in essence, if we sacrifice ika, can new wagons form? Bookitty was on the back of the save Jingle wagon

[Titus]

So i'm arguing Perceval is town and Titus is arguing Percevil is town but Titus is saying it is a fallacy to go with majority even though she is agreeing with me on who is town . So what is the problem?

Sorry for spelling punctuation and grammar I am voice posting

Popular = right is a fallacy. That doesn't mean popular is wrong. It means Hermit needs to think for himself.

[Persivul]

we know that we prob are not in lylo right?

I don't know that.

Based on previous games, we're probably 6:2 now. If we lynch 2 town and 2 are NK'd, we're at 2:2, which is usually endgamed. This game has unusual mechanics, but I doubt they're that unusual that twon is still in the game at that point. But let's ask:

mod, if we get to 2 town and 2 scum, does scum win?

Yes

See above. We know that there is one scum left. It's mod verified.

[Titus]

#2136, back of the save Jingle speed wagon D1.

[Persivul]

This is probably a dumb question, but is there any information on why there are 2 night kills?

It's specified in the signup thread:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=61941

"Don't feel bad for the scum in this game. They get to kill 2 players each night."

[Fro99er]

Anyway, doggy had to go back to the vet. I'm probably out for the next few hours :/

[Persivul]

Persivul noted that Tony and me would be "sure" night kills last night for saving Titus. I would like him to explain this more, or maybe someone can explain it on his behalf?

Scum would be limiting their options by leaving a conftown alive. Since you, Tony, and MS were conftown to anyone reasonably following the evidence trail, by not saving MS it made most sense for scum to kill the two of you at night. The only reason you survived is that, as frog has pointed out, ZZZX had taken a scum read on Titus.

[Persivul]

Here's an easy solution:

As I've shown, per mod there is only one scum left.

frog and I both advocate lynching titus.

At most one of us is scum.

So, let titus choose between me and frogger as to whom is saved.

[Titus]

@Pers, I have already chosen you if I must and made a town case on you. Comments like that strike me with paranoia. I know we win if I am saved. I know one of you two is a townbeard. So my preference is save me.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Persivul noted that Tony and me would be "sure" night kills last night for saving Titus. I would like him to explain this more, or maybe someone can explain it on his behalf?

I wasn't sure if Titus tried to answer this question or not, so maybe it is best for Persivul to answer it himself.

[Titus]

Persivul noted that Tony and me would be "sure" night kills last night for saving Titus. I would like him to explain this more, or maybe someone can explain it on his behalf?

I wasn't sure if Titus tried to answer this question or not, so maybe it is best for Persivul to answer it himself.

Persivul noted that Tony and me would be "sure" night kills last night for saving Titus. I would like him to explain this more, or maybe someone can explain it on his behalf?

Scum would be limiting their options by leaving a conftown alive. Since you, Tony, and MS were conftown to anyone reasonably following the evidence trail, by not saving MS it made most sense for scum to kill the two of you at night. The only reason you survived is that, as frog has pointed out, ZZZX had taken a scum read on Titus.

Done.

[Titus]

I am going to sign off for a bit Hermit. If you have any questions for me, please leave them. You're looking for one town. Everything else can go away. If you find one town you'd bet the game on,the other two can be lynched.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I really want to see Persivul's case on Frogger before I make my decision.

[Persivul]

WTF - read the slot's ISOs yourself. At this point I don't care enough to do your homework for you.