Open 609: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Luna Fox]

So here are a couple questions
@Mario: Why did you vote Bella to L-1 with little to no reason back in Day 1.
@Both: If you were scum, now knowing that im conf town, why kill Alchemist when he was sure to vote me today?

[Diego1487]

@Both: If you were scum, now knowing that im conf town, why kill Alchemist when he was sure to vote me today?

Nothing in this game is a sure thing except for an IC. Why intentionally limit mislynch candidates to 1 when it can be 2 to start the day off?

[Prolapsed Brain]

Votecount 5.01

Diego1487 - 1 - MarioManiac4
MarioManiac4 - 1 - Diego1487

Not Voting: Luna Fox

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-25 20:56:03)

[MarioManiac4]

"Obvious I'm scum."
ROFL.
Let's start with the case on you then!
1)- In 831, he says Silverjaws appears to be caught scum, and is sure of this. In 959, he's suddenly interested in both my wagon and Alchemist's, because "the Silver wagon feels scum-led." Quite a sudden change of opinion!
2)- In 960, he whiteknights Performer. Then, when Performer votes NL, he stops his "bad play" opinion. That isn't bad play, but a scumslip? After everything Performer did?
3)- In 1062, he seems incredibly afraid of hammering... I wonder why?
4)- In 1223, he says "There is no scum on a 3-player wagon OMG MARIO BE CONFIRMED SCUM" and then accuses Vedith for being... ignored? Like, what the fuck?
5)- He accuses Luna in 1292. I don't see his suspicion flowing anywhere?
6)- In 1309, his townread is suddenly possible. He's keeping his options open.
7)- He apparently has a "gutread" on me and considers this stronger than cases? Like surely there's a case on me if you want to vote me, but I'm the only one without a case?
8)- He illogically clears Luna in 1445 so he can mislynch me in LYLO.
9)- That fucking hammer. That actual. Fucking. Hammer.
10)- The case on me. He says I'm mafia because I discredit a voting tool I always dislike and say I'm scum for it? I have scumhunted, and he's saying I'm trying not to keep my hands dirty when I practically led the Performer lynch?
11)- 1476 is not from a hypothetical perspective. At all.
12)- I'm a Vanilla Townie.

@Luna; I put Bella at L-1 because I couldn't handle the pace at which the game was going.
Diego killed Alchemist because of the reasons he put in 1476. He should've killed you and passed it off as WIFOM, however.

[MarioManiac4]

hey luna.
for once it's my turn to stare at a screen waiting for you to reply.
this is a bump so i can see if you have.

[Luna Fox]

"Obvious I'm scum."
ROFL.
Let's start with the case on you then!
1)- In 831, he says

Silverjaws

appears to be caught scum, and is sure of this. In 959, he's suddenly interested in both my wagon and

Alchemist

's, because "the

Silver

wagon feels scum-led." Quite a sudden change of opinion!
2)- In 960, he whiteknights

Performer

. Then, when

Performer

votes NL, he stops his "bad play" opinion. That isn't bad play, but a scumslip? After everything

Performer

did?
3)- In 1062, he seems incredibly afraid of hammering... I wonder why?
4)- In 1223, he says "There is no scum on a 3-player wagon OMG MARIO BE CONFIRMED SCUM" and then accuses

Vedith

for being... ignored? Like, what the fuck?
5)- He accuses

Luna

in 1292. I don't see his suspicion flowing anywhere?
6)- In 1309, his townread is suddenly possible. He's keeping his options open.
7)- He apparently has a "gutread" on me and considers this stronger than cases? Like surely there's a case on me if you want to vote me, but I'm the only one without a case?
8)- He illogically clears

Luna

in 1445 so he can mislynch me in LYLO.
9)- That fucking hammer. That actual. Fucking. Hammer.
10)- The case on me. He says I'm mafia because I discredit a voting tool I always dislike and say I'm scum for it? I have scumhunted, and he's saying I'm trying not to keep my hands dirty when I practically led the

Performer

lynch?
11)- 1476 is not from a hypothetical perspective. At all.
12)- I'm a Vanilla Townie.

@Luna; I put Bella at L-1 because I couldn't handle the pace at which the game was going.
Diego killed

Alchemist

because of the reasons he put in 1476. He should've killed you and passed it off as WIFOM, however.

So if you were scum you wouldn't have killed alchemist? I'll comb through the points soonish, was just formatting them to make them easier to follow.

[MarioManiac4]

"Obvious I'm scum."
ROFL.
Let's start with the case on you then!
1)- In 831, he says

Silverjaws

appears to be caught scum, and is sure of this. In 959, he's suddenly interested in both my wagon and

Alchemist

's, because "the

Silver

wagon feels scum-led." Quite a sudden change of opinion!
2)- In 960, he whiteknights

Performer

. Then, when

Performer

votes NL, he stops his "bad play" opinion. That isn't bad play, but a scumslip? After everything

Performer

did?
3)- In 1062, he seems incredibly afraid of hammering... I wonder why?
4)- In 1223, he says "There is no scum on a 3-player wagon OMG MARIO BE CONFIRMED SCUM" and then accuses

Vedith

for being... ignored? Like, what the fuck?
5)- He accuses

Luna

in 1292. I don't see his suspicion flowing anywhere?
6)- In 1309, his townread is suddenly possible. He's keeping his options open.
7)- He apparently has a "gutread" on me and considers this stronger than cases? Like surely there's a case on me if you want to vote me, but I'm the only one without a case?
8)- He illogically clears

Luna

in 1445 so he can mislynch me in LYLO.
9)- That fucking hammer. That actual. Fucking. Hammer.
10)- The case on me. He says I'm mafia because I discredit a voting tool I always dislike and say I'm scum for it? I have scumhunted, and he's saying I'm trying not to keep my hands dirty when I practically led the

Performer

lynch?
11)- 1476 is not from a hypothetical perspective. At all.
12)- I'm a Vanilla Townie.

@Luna; I put Bella at L-1 because I couldn't handle the pace at which the game was going.
Diego killed

Alchemist

because of the reasons he put in 1476. He should've killed you and passed it off as WIFOM, however.

So if you were scum you wouldn't have killed alchemist? I'll comb through the points soonish, was just formatting them to make them easier to follow.

No. If I were the last scum I'd have killed Alchemist. From his POV it'd be better to kill you to get a pure 1v1 with someone who's been ranting luna/mario all of d3 and he'd have a "WIFOM" card to play.
I'd love to see what's wrong with my points on scum. Please inform me.

[Luna Fox]

1) 949 Happened Day 2 after the silver lynch, it's not possible for Diego to be talking about the silver wagon being scum-led.
2) Mario says Performer scumslipped for mentioning the existance of a cop, we now know cop doesn't exist, so technically it wasn't a scumslip.
3) Why is he afraid of hammering and not... simply... telling the truth?
4) The largest part of your wagon was "Sparrowbird - 4 - MaxwellPuckett, Luna Fox, Alchemist21, Sparrowbird +

Firebringer, Shiro

All of which are confirmed town but yourself (the italics were ppl with intent to vote you), your wagon was town driven, yet you tried to argue around it, real talk: If you're scum, your partners are silver and ika, there's no way with ika's scum activity and silver flaking that they would try to fish you out of it, TTH at that point was also flaking so it's not like it says much for Diego either, this is probably a null point.
5) This is actually a good point

@Diego: With that mindset why didn't you hammer me yesterday when me and PP were competing wagons?

6) Strongest gut read (that would be Mario methinks) is trying to discredit PP, is true. Don't see his townread being an option to lynch here?
7) You had gutreads on D1, and there were also cases on D1, you're being a bit hypocritical here.
8) While he's logically thinking, I stood and abode by the fact that getting myself lynched yesterday would have been better for the town, however me being conf town in LyLo changes things around because i consider myself pretty good at finding out whose accusations are being done with the intent of scum painting and whose with the intent of scum hunting, scum will HAVE to paint someone's actions scummy on LyLo to win.
9) He hammered his townread yes, but there was no way he was getting traction towards you yesterday.
10) I think VCA is a valid scumhunting tool, do you disagree? was DGB's scumputer on the supposed game wrong?
11) Why not? Alchemist seemed willing to lynch me today, leaving him alive could've caused a town loss and scum win.
12) And scum wouldn't say this because ... (Fill the blank)

Currently leaning to vote Mario.

[Luna Fox]

Eh i screwed the first post tag, it's supposed to be 959 not 949

[MarioManiac4]

1) 949 Happened Day 2 after the silver lynch, it's not possible for Diego to be talking about the silver wagon being scum-led.
2) Mario says Performer scumslipped for mentioning the existance of a cop, we now know cop doesn't exist, so technically it wasn't a scumslip.
3) Why is he afraid of hammering and not... simply... telling the truth?
4) The largest part of your wagon was "Sparrowbird - 4 - MaxwellPuckett, Luna Fox, Alchemist21, Sparrowbird +

Firebringer, Shiro

All of which are confirmed town but yourself (the italics were ppl with intent to vote you), your wagon was town driven, yet you tried to argue around it, real talk: If you're scum, your partners are silver and ika, there's no way with ika's scum activity and silver flaking that they would try to fish you out of it, TTH at that point was also flaking so it's not like it says much for Diego either, this is probably a null point.
5) This is actually a good point

@Diego: With that mindset why didn't you hammer me yesterday when me and PP were competing wagons?

6) Strongest gut read (that would be Mario methinks) is trying to discredit PP, is true. Don't see his townread being an option to lynch here?
7) You had gutreads on D1, and there were also cases on D1, you're being a bit hypocritical here.
8) While he's logically thinking, I stood and abode by the fact that getting myself lynched yesterday would have been better for the town, however me being conf town in LyLo changes things around because i consider myself pretty good at finding out whose accusations are being done with the intent of scum painting and whose with the intent of scum hunting, scum will HAVE to paint someone's actions scummy on LyLo to win.
9) He hammered his townread yes, but there was no way he was getting traction towards you yesterday.
10) I think VCA is a valid scumhunting tool, do you disagree? was DGB's scumputer on the supposed game wrong?
11) Why not? Alchemist seemed willing to lynch me today, leaving him alive could've caused a town loss and scum win.
12) And scum wouldn't say this because ... (Fill the blank)

Currently leaning to vote Mario.

1)- So I linked the wrong post? Just ISO Diego for his Alchemist vote.
2)- And? The transition to "scumslip" is still super awkward.
3)- Because he's scum trying to not take the blame.
4)- VCA is still shit.
5)- you nailed this one
6)- Panther?
7)- But he literally fucking makes the cases, and ignores them?
8)- Well, you're wrong as fuck, and you need to stop fucking being sore over VCA and promise to give it up when the game's over and I'm Town.
9)- And he fucking hammered like that? Just like that? He would have Alchemist, because I'd be an obstacle of your LYLO lynch, and PP could easily have some OMGUS cells to vote "scum."
10)- Yes, I disagree. It's a fucking shit scumhunting tool. Because DGB nailed ONE maf with TWO alive with SIX players alive ONCE doesn't mean it's always. fucking. right. It's dead wrong and you WILL abolish it after you find out I'm town.
11)- Because he's speaking like he's defending his kill choice.
12)- They could say it but that was for me and to get a good even number so idec.

*sorry if anything in this felt insensensitive i'm just pissed off)

[Luna Fox]

So I linked the wrong post? Just ISO Diego for his Alchemist vote.

Not seeing it, his alchemist vote was D2, after Silver had flipped.

[MarioManiac4]

ah.
apparently i misread that.

[Luna Fox]

Currently leaning to vote Diego.

[MarioManiac4]

Currently leaning to vote Diego.

Good!

[Luna Fox]

I really want some compelling reasons by Diego to not be hammered, this thread has been dead silent for hours.

[Diego1487]

I've been up all night sick myself while taking care of a sick child. Right now, I don't give a rat's ass. Do what you must. But remember...you've allowed another player that's a 50/50 shot of being scum to influence your mind on your lynch choice. When you vote me and you're wrong, you have to live with knowing that Mario's laughing his ass off right now that you're about to lose the game.

[Luna Fox]

If you're sick, then i'll give you time.

I don't want to make the wrong decission just because real life prevented you from defending yourself.

[MarioManiac4]

I've been up all night sick myself while taking care of a sick child. Right now, I don't give a rat's ass. Do what you must. But remember...you've allowed another player that's a 50/50 shot of being scum to influence your mind on your lynch choice. When you vote me and you're wrong, you have to live with knowing that Mario's laughing his ass off right now that you're about to lose the game.

Fuck off.
AtE is a fucking terrible tool to use as scum and you should actually be trying to win because of skill.

[Luna Fox]

...

[MarioManiac4]

...

VOTE: diego
here is a demonstration
Seriously though I don't mind you taking your time really because it's becoming more and more evident Diego is the last scum

[Luna Fox]

I do wonder when will Diego be able to post :<
I know im the conf town, but one of you 2 is another town who is supposed to be trying to show that to me, im starting to think he's scum and gave up. Or does he expect me to magically infer which of you 2 is scum from where i couldn't throughout the game?

[Luna Fox]

Btw Mario remember when i was doing my first VCA that i said someone had to have bus'd silverjaws?

Silverjaws

- 7 -

Shiro

,

Alchemist21

,

Vedith

, MarioManiac4,

Firebringer

, Diego1487,

Luna Fox

Welp, it's confirmed now that someone did.

[Luna Fox]

On one hand my gut's screaming hard that it's Mario, what will all his VCA discredit... tho he also discredited kthx VCA in greater ida, but kthx was scum there and mario town.
On the other hand i feel like if i hammer mario and im wrong Panther's gonna be yelling at me forever "I TOLD YOU SO"

[MarioManiac4]

...
So you want to vote Diego not for him being obvscum but because you're worried about what Panther would say?
Me hating VCA is confirmed null. Please get over that already.
Also you being right about one point doesn't excuse the fact you literally cleared the last scum with VCA.

[Luna Fox]

No rather i don't think Silverjaw's case on him is Scum on Scum.