@ jerubbaal: i don't play black a lot either but it is a pretty good card, I hear some people call it a game winner. I just like it... Don't know why...
still @ Jerubbaal: Post 54 was not so much defensive as much as a response to Jitsu's question:
Jitsu wrote:Why so defensive?
Your basically putting me in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario here. If I don't answer the questions I look scummy, yet if I do you call it defensive and use that against me. I just find that a little odd.
And I wouldn't call it nervousness... Maybe a different perspective or view point Mixed with a tiny bit of inexperience/unsureness.
@ Miztef: I already told you I don't consider any votes right now worth being under pressure for. You would get a lot more by asking me stuff/ talking to me like Jitsu and jerubbaal are.
Also... I wouldn't say "First candidates for lynch" this early. Sounds to me like your tying to push for a short day. I would probably say something like "First candidates for suspicion" Or "Most likely scum" seeing as how we all agree there is no real threat of a lynch right now and comments like that seem to be brought up later against you. Just a heads up for future reference.
and lastly @ Jitsu: I like how your playing. Active, scum hunting, not just throwing out votes. While I may not totally fully agree with your style, I am looking forward to a pretty good game.
As for a fourth vote. It won't change anything alone. As you see Miztef voted without asking me anything, or even really pointing anything out. So his vote (To me) looks just as random as the rest, so I wouldn't react to it. However, the discussion going on right now is enough to make me give input. A much better way to gain info on people then semi-meaningless votes.
And, not to sound too "defensive" here, but can you explain how my reaction was what you expected? I mean, all I wanted to know was why you believe a fourth vote was necessary, and instead of just answering you accused me of being defensive. To me, it seems like you saw me as a possible candidate to throw suspicion on and took what I said out of context. I agree I reacted to your post with my thoughts on it, but it was not because you talked about a putting a fourth vote on. It was because two people each agreed that was a good plan and I did not understand why.
And perhaps I am misunderstanding you but are you trying to say that because my post was large (in length) you automatically assumed I was under pressure and defending myself? That just seems a little... biased... Perhaps thats not the right word...
and I will tackle both of your last comments together.
Jitsu wrote:Sure, I could vote for someone that doesn't have many votes on them yet, but I'm not going to learn anything at this point by putting a vote on Jayalay or Anata, for example. Though, if people lurk a few more days, I wouldn't mind putting a vote on a lurker to encourage them to talk. I'd rather not do that on the weekend though, when people are less active.
Jitsu wrote:Really? I'd like to know what you've got in mind.
For starters take what just happened. You talked, and I answered. We just committed active discussion! We have each gained info on the other, without a vote needed. Now take Miztef's vote. I pretty much said nothing in response to it. Because he did not give me any specific reasons that I could explain/counter. So we, the town, have gained nothing out of it and the maifa have gained a player with a slightly higher bandwagon. (This is not about me here. This is for later on, anyone can attack the people on me saying there was no reason for a vote/wagon and use it against them. So in theory, 5 townies can be in danger of having scum opportunities their deaths/reason to be lynched.)
So to answer your question, asking questions and pointing out mistakes/unknowns are much better at generating discussion then a random/pressure vote this early. But it does need the person (In his case me) to be honest about why I said something or what I said.
Other things could include flaming someone. This would spark a comeback, active discussion, or violent outburst that might give something away. In general this should be avoided at all costs as it makes games annoying/hard to read and overall turns active discussion into biased attacks with no real backing.
using info from other games someone is playing in could also be a discussion starter. The sentence "Hey Blank! I'm in game XXX with you and you have been posting there non-stop! Yet you are lurking here! What the hell man?" Could be used to get someone to talk. Again this should be avoided as each game has its own limits and boundaries to it. Just because someone did something somewhere else does not mean they will play the same here. this is one of those things that could cause unnecessary pressure/reasonable doubt on someone that could spiral into an attack/lynch that had no real backing to begin with.
In short, I agree that a vote or talk is best. Those are just a few things I could think of that would start the game moving a little. (Not saying I wold do them. I'm not really! Don't hold that against me here! ^^')
Also my take on the inactives... It could be just that they are not able to post as much as we can during the weekends. So I agree we should give them some time before we turn our attention to them. Then again, With a townie in the current spotlight, some people(mainly mafia) would be inclined to let us attack each other (Provided we are both town here) instead of jumping in and putting their selves out there. Just an idea to take and ruminate on here. I actually don't mind being the one with the votes on me as I will get to express my ideas/feelings early and will hopefully be able to help find the actual scum.
