Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[YuanTi]

Perhaps I'll give you a more useful dare.

State whether or not you think MoS is talking crap.

[YuanTi]

Perhaps I'll give you a more useful dare.

State whether or not you think MoS is talking crap.

[skitzer]

I honestly think he's just overeager.

[Phate]

It's too early to say for sure, but I'd say he's talking crap. I'm waiting to see how he responds to Sir T before placing my vote.

[Flyinghawk]

In my opinion, the whole distancing thing is a null tell, the idea of it was a stretch in the first place, and its not that big of a scum tell on MOS. At least, it did get the conversation started, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

It's not distancing in and of itself, though. But it is possible distancing when you take the above action and completely ignore someone who did the exact same thing you were questioning person A about.

So, you want me to give the same ICish gameplay advice to everyone in the same game like a broken record player?

You're strawmanning, SirT. This behavior was not exhibited by everyone in the game. I'm saying that it looks weird for you to question one person and completely ignore the other person. At the very least, I would expect you to say something like "this goes for you, too, MoS".

Perhaps I'll give you a more useful dare.

State whether or not you think MoS is talking crap.

It's too early to say for sure, but I'd say he's talking crap. I'm waiting to see how he responds to Sir T before placing my vote.

You guys are making this out to be a lot bigger than it really is. It's not like I've said that what SirT did is some end-all scumtell that's going to reveal the scum. However, it was a good place for my vote on page 2 of a game, and it was worth pointing out. The only reason I'm still talking about this is because people are questioning it, and I don't ever let comments about me go unanswered if I can help it.

[Sir Tornado]

You're strawmanning, SirT. This behavior was not exhibited by everyone in the game. I'm saying that it looks weird for you to question one person and completely ignore the other person. At the very least, I would expect you to say something like "this goes for you, too, MoS".

How am I strawmanning?

Please note, that you used the dice

after

I voted SSF. When I unvoted SSF, I explained to him why I voted him in the first place.

Well, it isn't scummy, actually. I voted you to drill it into you that random voting using a dice is bad (although since you do it every game, it is not scummy, especially for you)

The logic behind dice voting being bad is, that if you random vote without a dice, all we know that it is an apparent random vote, which may, or may not indeed be random. That is information. However, when you vote using a dice, we know why you voted so and so player. You did it because the dice told you to. It doesn't give the town any information.

For more details, read the first couple of pages of newbie 476 where mith explains this in a much better way.

That was my post after you dice voted. In the first paragraph, I explain to SSF why I voted him.

In the second, I explained why dice voting is bad

In the third, I referenced another game where this is explained much better.

By my interpretation, the second and third paragraphs weren't only directed towards SSF. It was explaining my stance on why dice voting is bad, which should be, read by everyone, not only by SSF. Your argument that I should have written "This goes to MoS too" is ridiculous.

[Shanba]

Vote Count of massive unvote:
2: Sir Tornado

(Miztef, MoS)

1: spurgistan

(Sir Tornado)

1: skitzer

(somestrangeflea)

1: MoS

(YuanTi)

Not voting: skitzer, TheNinthLayer, phate, Spider Jerusalem, FaerieLord, someone2, FlyingHawk

Also, happy scumday MoS

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

[YuanTi]

MoS:

I know my attack on you isn't really very useful, however nothing else is going on, so I might as well make some activity.

Who knows? Maybe someone will slip up and we'll have something to do.

At the very least, I would expect you to say something like "this goes for you, too, MoS".

Yes, because everyone acts deliberately balanced during the random vote stage.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yuan, if you want some discussion, look at the people who massively unvoted, saying "the random stage is over". What a load of bullshit. I'd pursue it, but I'm lazy and have been arguing with SirT. Someone else can do it.

[Phate]

Translation - "I'm going to try to deflect suspicion from myself by pointing at an odd but not visibly scummy event. Furthermore, I'm not going to explain why this event is scummy, only imply that it is. Furthermore, the only reasons I'll give is that I'm lazy and that I'm pouting since SirT doesn't agree with me."

I'm going to have to give that last post a big WtF.

Happy Scumday!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Close, but not quite. It's not that I'm pouting, it's that I've already been putting in a lot of contribution to the game, so someone else should take a crack at it.

[Miztef]

vote: Phate

[Miztef]

oops,

unvote vote: Phate

That last comment really bugged me. I didn't see it that way with MoS's reply at all.

[Phate]

What about my post bugged you? How did you see MoS' reply? Are you aware that MoS personally said that it was close, and corrected only the use of the term 'pouting'?

And as an aside, MoS, am I correct in interpreting your last post to mean you admit to all of it except pouting about SirT?

[Miztef]

I kinda meant the tone you used. I've heard it before and it seems scummy. No one better to put my vote on, so there we go.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I admit to nothing.

[FaerieLord]

@Phate 62. Bad Joke

@Mos 85. Bad Posting

[Phate]

@Miztef. Shit. If using this tone is a scumtell... I'm going to be lynched every game.
@Faerie. Shit. If making lame jokes is a scumtell... I'm going to be lynched every game.

Also, Faerie, saying something is "bad" and then not backing it up is more or less meaningless, except to get the more initiative players to look it up and the less initiative players to agree without doing so. What about MoS' post do you think was bad, or are you just agreeing with what's already been said? If so, you could have just said something like "I agree with Phate, but Phate, making jokes like the one you made on 62 = bad." Show some originality, please.

@ MoS. Curses.

[YuanTi]

MoS is using the "I don't have to because I've wasted time already excuse."

That never fails to annoy me.

[Spider Jerusalem]

@MoS: I'm not sure how anything scummy can be determined by a lot of people unvoting from the random stage. A whole bunch of one vote here one vote there situations dosen't really get anything done. I think the best idea is to try and get peoples minds out of that stage and into a stage where a vote is placed for some actual reason even if there isn't much to go on. I'd like to hear though how you or anyone else who thinks we can would deduce any scum tells from it, perhaps I'm missing something.

@phate: I think that while it's never wrong to inject a little humor, I've been learning that posts such as your "translation" tend to distract people from what your actually trying to say. Which could be viewed as a tactic to confuse the town.

Not much to go on but I'm going to

FoS: Mastermind of Sin

because so far I find that he pushed something on some very fishy logic then after people disagreed dropped the I've put too much into this to do anymore line. However, we don't want to start bandwagoning over something so small, so I'd love to hear some of the more quiet give their points of view.

[Phate]

I've been learning that posts such as your "translation" tend to distract people from what your actually trying to say. Which could be viewed as a tactic to confuse the town.

When I say translation, I think it's fairly apparent that I mean, "The following is my interpretation of the last post." If anyone is distracted or confused by that, they should speak the fuck up and ask me to clarify. I'm really not seeing that as a viable tactic to "confuse the town."

[Phate]

Also, Miztef, I asked you a question, soldier. What is your opinion of MoS' post, if you don't agree with mine? Do you think his theory that random unvoting chains = scummy holds up? If so, why, and can you give a reason why it would be to the scum's benefit? If not, why not, and why did you focus on the tone of my response rather than the faulty reasoning you found in his own post? If you're somewhere in between, state your position and explain your indecisiveness.

[someone2]

For now, I don't find Mastermind Of Sin nor Phate very scummy. However, Faerielord's posts have been vague . I'm basing myself on only two posts, the one where he unvote and his last post, but for the beginning of the game it's the thing I found the more scummy.

vote:faerilord