Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

Umm 1 heartless post
I'd think that's more of TTH accidentally posting on her hydra with Anti, there's nothing about Anti on that game.
I shall however offer you:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64043
Anti scum solo.

[copper223]

CultivationTheory

TellTaleHeart
Unless the mod missed something, or im missing something, eh i guess i'll just look through the players on the activity list.

That's the wrong jk9 then, my bad, 1 sec.

[copper223]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=60351

[Luna Fox]

CultivationTheory

TellTaleHeart
Unless the mod missed something, or im missing something, eh i guess i'll just look through the players on the activity list.

That's the wrong jk9 then, my bad, 1 sec.

Eh dw about it, i think i found it on heartless wiki list as they suggested
P-Edit: Oh well

[Salt Squad]

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

this reads list is awful

Hello all. I slept on it, and I am now here. I'm caught up with the game and current events(though a current VC would be nice).

I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI. My own lack of involvement in the early game largely stemmed from the same reason. I'm willing to give him a few RL days, but certainly not an entire three week day phase. I don't think the point that the other heads are deliberately sitting back and letting Nahdia play for them is necessarily true, or if it is, that it's necessarily alignment indicative. If one head of a hydra garners all the town reads, and you can project your questions and pushes through their posting, there is literally no reason to speak up any more than you have to. Town's job is finding scum and not getting mislynched, so even though the first thought people seem to have is that this behavior, if indeed deliberate, is scummy, it's really not imo.
KuroiXF's most recent set of reads are, umm. yeah. It's disingenuous for him to call it underdeveloped, most likely? I've never played with Kuroi before I don't believe. Are his reads lists generally in depth, so him calling this one underdeveloped makes sense, because it's lacking detail? Or no? I need to reread his ISO/the cases against him, I don't recall any strong reason given for the votes, if someone could refresh my memory regarding whose ISO I need to look at to find the source of the push/possible reasoning everyone is agreeing with?
WT: LQ is awkward as fuck, always. He makes literally no sense to me ever. Even though my first inclination is to defend him simply because I know how easy he is to lynch....I've defended him because he's lynchbaity before when he was scum. :/ Suzune is easier to read for me(at least, I've been able to identify her towniness in the past...never seen her scum game, so, grain of salt), but I need more content from that head(CLEARLY LABELLED CONTENT OF SIGNIFICANCE) to pass any judgment here. In short, I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from the slot, just what appears to be standard LQ awkwardness, but that could EASILY be actual scum content.
Expe: Everyones talking about him. I should go reread his iso. He's scumreading my slot. More on this later, after I check his ISO because fuck, why do you all suspect him again? Nothing jumps out of my memory.
Luna: Luna's pretty town yo. Faction slip in PT(I did read that correctly, right? in the PT she has with stormblade, she slipped her faction? Please confirm Stormblade), and her initial posting and points/concerns regarding the whole win condition discussion(which shouldn't be ever mentioned again prior to like D4 or D5(or whenever appropriate in a game this size, I have no fucking idea actually)) seemed quite town.

Top of my head stuff, tried to touch on the people who are actually being voted for. Please engage me and point me in a specific direction for discussions/things you want my opinion on, if I missed anything important.

-Cerb

RAM right now

Wayward Thinker is town

why (again)?

VOTE: Kuroi

Still willing to vote Wayward and Almost50 but I made an executive hydra decision that sheeping Heartless and DGB is a good game plan.

~Bee

I am fine with this decision fyi

20 left
-sc

[rb]

Yep and this is exactly what I mean when I keep saying that Kuroi looks like a counter-wagon.

No one ever fucking talks or gives good reasons as to why they think Wayward is town and/or not scum, and they're picking the easiest target who was against Wayward for shitty reasons.

Ugh, badly worded. Meaning that the reasons against Kuroi are shitty, not Kuroi's reasons. That wall by Wayward is terrible.

im not sure how much clearer i could have been earlier.

the wayward wall literally doesnt matter.

like at all.

i dont even know whats in it because i didnt read it.

Like, wow.

So there's two wagons, one is Kuroi and the other is Wayward and you just somehow decide that you're going to go with Kuroi, without even reading Wayward?

Can you explain the town-motivated logic behind not actually reading about the players who're the two biggest wagons in the game?

my vote isnt even on kuroi but please panic more.

im answering your question about what whats in kurois iso that everyone doesnt like because i just went through it because i was asked for a kuroi read.

You're actually not answering my question since I want to know why Wayward is a town read.

Asking questions = panicking

In any case, should I not be concerned when I feel like we're about to mislynch a counter-wagon and that my top scumread is being completely ignored by majority of the game, despite being the 2nd largest wagon?

[Titus]

@Heartless/Cerb, I am going to stop posting for awhile. If you're hellbent on Copper, keep going. Based on my PM, the structure of the hood, and what Luna has said, I don't feel comfortable with the risk of being wrong. I agree with the only posting in the hood is scummy. I think your read is spot on. I am going to let you do what you need to do.

You've said before that charging forward and believing in my own reads regardless of the risk was bad. That I wasn't listening. I'm asking you to stop.

I have zero authority or logical reason to do so that I can share. It's the last time I will make that request.

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually reading this and not believing what im reading.
I feel like i stepped into a bizarro world where anti's actually capable of producing content as scum.

[dramonic]

Cerb

[Luna Fox]

I feel like something inside of me died and i have to actually read anti's posts instead of just a simple "he's motivated/posting content: yes/no" question.

[Salt Squad]

yeah like everyone posts and argues and then on page like 250 with 12 hours left til deadline someone suggests a random lynch and then he miraculously flips SK.

100% success rate so far.

lol

Let's start with this demotivated scumbag:

VOTE: Franky

kuroi or wt are better

Vote: Kuroi

scum voting p sure, he just popped in with this vote and nothing else

12 or so left
-sc

[Heartless]

I'm actually reading this and not believing what im reading.
I feel like i stepped into a bizarro world where anti's actually capable of producing content as scum.

congrats youve entered the world where im a human being and not an artificial intelligence

[Luna Fox]

Nah i just read anti's posts and he's still town.

[dramonic]

You might be a refined AI

[rb]

Okay so I suppose in conclusion I'm not voting Kuroi because his wagon is terrible and the case against him doesn't have reasoning I can work with. But he doesn't give me a strong townread either so I cbf defending him.

[Salt Squad]

LLD is town posting that is all.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

Also I am barely reading this game lol

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

The Kuroi wagon is shit. It occurs to me that multiple people on the Wayward wagon are jumping off it. I want to know why Kuroi is more scummy than Wayward. So far I haven't seen much from anyone to indicate

WHY

they actually think Wayward is town. That coupled with the fact that this Kuroi wagon would be so easy to jump on disturbs me. I feel like Kuroi's a counter-wagon.

why are these mutually exclusive? I'm scumreading both.

You took the words out of my mouth that ABR post was horrible.
Nahdia still town posted like crazy tho so I still think the slot is town >_>

~Bee

You weren't in Bloodborne though, so let SirCakez handle Nahdia. Trust me (ask him)

;-----;

The capitalized words on RAM's posts are deliberately placed and so the tone feels forced.

this is such garbage

Fuck it. Less cooperative option is a go.

Ceph let's do this.

VOTE: Copper

no stop trying to make cotunerwagons to your scum buddies

in other news franky is posting elsewhere on the site and not here.

luna it's also on our wiki page

don't think this is AI considering I was posting elsewhere on the site for a day w/o catching up here

all caught up finally!
-sc

[rb]

The Kuroi wagon is shit. It occurs to me that multiple people on the Wayward wagon are jumping off it. I want to know why Kuroi is more scummy than Wayward. So far I haven't seen much from anyone to indicate

WHY

they actually think Wayward is town. That coupled with the fact that this Kuroi wagon would be so easy to jump on disturbs me. I feel like Kuroi's a counter-wagon.

why are these mutually exclusive? I'm scumreading both.

Yeah I don't think you're one of the people I'm referring to.

I have problems with people scumreading Kuroi while townreading WT, giving poor reasons for both reads.

[MathBlade]

@Titus - Would you say I should have Christina Aguilera or Gym Class Heroes as a soundtrack when I ISO you again?

I am also thinking of including Shakira's "Try everything" in that soundtrack too because while you may choose to put me in your ignore list, I think I see two things that make you possible town but don't know how to describe them. I really want to see if your posts rubbed me the wrong way or what because something doesn't make sense with how these interactions are going.

Especially because most people here I have played with like detailed reasons and seeing a lot of short choppy posts are throwing me for a loop.

[Heartless]

don't think this is AI considering I was posting elsewhere on the site for a day w/o catching up here

A DAY
as in one. not three.

not even a check in post just rubs me the wrong way

[dramonic]

Franky is V/LA tho?
Assuming that's who we're talking about

[Titus]

@Math, Whatever music makes you the most respectful to others. And if that was a crumbing type question, I am not doing that this game. Nor would I.

What doesn't make sense with these interactions?

[Stormblade]

Luna, what do YOU think he is?

I think he's town.
This isn't like Stormblade who i thought was making excuses to not scum hunt.

I've made excuses to not scumhunt but then scumhunted both in the PT and here anyway because my partners have been largely absent -_-'

-Nahdia

I'm making multiple posts per day :/

Albert

[MathBlade]

Mainly Kuroi/WF/Expedience

VOTE: Unvote

I think this Kuroi vote feels too "easy" like right before that key point in a movie where the person you think is your friend gives you exactly what but it turns out not to actually be the thing you wanted. And the Expedience wagon is full of people who seem to have stagnated their vote. While I think Expedience is scum with you and so is Song my gut has screamed that it isn't right. Like my brain and gut are at odds with each other so I am rereading today after work.

Gotta go.