Gistou (Over!)

[RachMarie]

A 50, Way, DGB, please someone with some reason?


No that is why I got the pm about how important it is for the treaty to go through and it was made very clear the treaty needs to go through not just for me but for you humans to win and so on.

And Nero, because you are butthurt about the fact you were outted by exp, you are going to keep town from winning by not voting for the treaty. Why not listen to your other head?


Uggh

[No Retreat]

Rach, the way I am reading it is that the humans don't need a NEW treaty only the nonhumans do. I mean, i think A50 and jazz will ratify the treaty so the non-humans win WITH US but I don't think the HUMANS need it to win.

[No Retreat]

like I think this "threat" might be the nonhumans rising up against humans. Like I'll see what a50 says and all but I don't think we need to ratify any treaty ti win.

[Almost50]

also anything that prevents Bacde and Exp from a win is a good thing.

I'm afraid we have no control over that anymore. Bacde lost bc all their faction has been eliminated and they needed one member to stay alive for them to win.

Expedience won, bc his win con only requires threats to his faction eliminated and doesn't require him to stay alive (just like yours, mine & DGB's win cons).

Judging by the phrasing of my night PM (the long flavour story) I'm inclined to think the treaty thing was triggered by the elimination of all scum indeed, and that it's time for us all to end the war.

Rach's win con is to eliminate all threat to the Human Treaty. According to TWIE his is to eliminate threats to the Individual Humans (i.e. just like yours, mine and DGB).

This further leads me to believe the treaty secures the win for all pro-town factions + the Individual Nosferatu (who were survivours like the Undead, thus had to have one still alive).

[RachMarie]

yes yes yes

thank you A 50

And yeah I am concerned about what the mod said I don't want town to lose, I have done everything I could in this game to make sure town did not lose. To the point where dan (part of Tim) ranted and raged and vented about what a total PITA I was to both scum teams.

And now Nero pulls this so yeah Im a bit irked.

Sure I want Wake and I to win, but more than that I want TOWN to win, because we cant win without a TOWN win.

[Almost50]

my pm has nothing about the treaty. Almost does your role pm talk about the treaty?

Not explicitly, no. It just says we're tired of fighting, and then tells me someone from the West sacrificed themselves for me (i.e. that was the BP) while I was fighting ASoIaF, and then I was told a messenger from the West confirmed DGB's location and alignment (with details, including their name), so that's a friendly neighbour role.

[No Retreat]

This further leads me to believe the treaty secures the win for all pro-town factions + the Individual Nosferatu (who were survivours like the Undead, thus had to have one still alive).

how confident are you that we will win if we ratify? So you are thinking like me that all town factions win if we ratify and only humans win if the don't? Like why do you even think this is a thing if its just a moral choice?

[Almost50]

I don't think rejecting the treaty makes the town lose per se, but it results in unnecessary fighting to go on longer. I mean, the way

I

see it, it's either we all get along and end the war, or we continue fighting until there's only ONE eventual winner.

We HAVE eradicated the enemy, so I'm in favour of ending the war now bc I'm not interested in killing the remaining players.

[RachMarie]

yes

[No Retreat]

Just testing something

VOTE: Reject

- Y

[No Retreat]

the whole idea that this is just a moral choice seems a little odd to me. I don't really like how Rach was fear mongering and pressure pointing us into trying to ratify the treaty. I also don't think its impossible that humans might lose if we ratify. Do you think its possible that ratifying the treaty has any negative implications?

[No Retreat]

unvote

[RachMarie]

sigh it takes a majority vote

and the fear mongering as you called it Nero was based on what I was sent by the MOD, she is the one who said something bad will happen to town if they reject the treaty.

[No Retreat]

Why do you think you were the only one sent that pm?

[RachMarie]

because I am Nicholas?

Because it totally fits that along with everything else he needs to be the one to convince the humans?

Because Mastin has a bit of a wicked sense of humor?

[RachMarie]

And yes the treaty IS part of my wincon along with winning WITH THE HUMANS

sigh

I am not mafia, I am not an SK, I am not cult, and not even really 3rd party basically Im an additional bonus for the town to help town win and accomplish the treaty along with that. But mainly my role and everything I have done has been to foil both maf teams and the cultists and to insure that TOWN WINS.

I don't know how I can be any clearer with that than to actually get myself modkilled by quoting role PM or other PMs.

[Almost50]

the whole idea that this is just a moral choice seems a little odd to me. I don't really like how Rach was fear mongering and pressure pointing us into trying to ratify the treaty. I also don't think its impossible that humans might lose if we ratify. Do you think its possible that ratifying the treaty has any negative implications?

Nope. Here's what I think:

Assuming TWIE has no killing abilities, REJECTING the treaty will force us to play for -at least- 2 more days, and you probably will end up being the last man standing. Now what I'm not sure of is whether this will be in vain (i.e. we're just complicating things for ourselves to get to the same outcome), or if that would change our win cons (to match a last man standing situation).

I don't see how making peace could backfire on Humans at this point.

[Almost50]

Why do you think you were the only one sent that pm?

I'd stick out my neck and say it was bc Rach is the only one with that "new humanity treaty" thing explicitly mentioned in her role PM.

[RachMarie]

So vote for the treaty I only have one vote and I need three and we can finally end this game and have a town win and give Nicholas the knowledge that his gf and his buddy did not die in vain. Exp still loses because bacde is dead,

BUT Wake and i win with town and the treaty. BOTH of us have done everything we can to help town win

I think rejecting the treaty just to say screw you to Exp who still does not win if we either ratify or reject the treaty, is kind of petty.

If you don't want to do it for town what about for Wake and I.

Seriously dude I thought it was just what you thought, until I saw that pm today and I was oh F*** we gotta make this happen. I have worked too bloody hard in this game to let town lose NOW.

Don't make town suffer because you still are ticked off at Exp for outing you.

[RachMarie]

yep that is part of it, and I always get messages like that to guide me to help town win,

uggh THIS GAME

[Almost50]

I think I'm ready to sign the treaty on behalf on my clan.

VOTE: Rectify

The Northern Tribes officially support putting this blood shed to an end.

P-edit:

Expedience WINS. His win con says NOTHING about other Undead. He was one in his own faction, just like Kuroi was, and THEIR win cons have been met.

[RachMarie]

its ratify oops


ohhh I thought he was part of the undead faction, my bad it gets so confusing sometimes

[Almost50]

VOTE: Ratify

[No Retreat]

Which option you select will have a direct influence over the game itself.

Yume is convinced that if we don't ratify town loses. I think this thing is dumb b/c like if we (humans) win regardless of choice and its basically choosing whether or not the nonhumans win with us then whats the point? I would not be surprised if this was a choice between which wincon wins over the other.

Obviously I'm in the minority and maybe I'm over thinking this but I wasn't willing to jump into a mod induced WIFOM and choose the "pro-town" sounding option without thinking about it.

I unvoted b/c Yume is trying to "prove" some silly point that I'm pro-reject and it meant she was right if I didn't unvote.

[ActionDan]

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