Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

Oh and also some issues with rb

[Cane + Able]

Alternatively you need to lease a spot in the newbie queue because you can't read people

So petty. So spiteful. So uninformed, considering you don't even have my reads.

Leave the petty and spiteful stuff to the pros.

Like me.

[Toogeloo]

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?

The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.

I'm not sure this is true. My wincon doesn't mention a specific nation at all, but this is some sort of multi-ball, so I'm gonna guess that Titus and I are of separate factions, though how would multiple town factions even work if there is a case for this?

[BBmolla]

Titus is just scum

[BBmolla]

grats on probably being town tho

[Toogeloo]

Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading ?

...repeated for emphasis.


Gonna start to skim through now, try and find the actual start of Day 1.

Re: 1: Possibly any negative utility roles that could do more harm to town by not knowing them.
Re: 2: From what memory serves, there's been issues with Wayward and davesaz, davesaz posted a case on Exp scum, there's also been general issues with Exp, i claimed non human that wins with town, molla also claimed non human that wins with town, and there's been issues with Almost50's reads list.

1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.

certain neg utilities. miller (or anything that gives false guilties to investigatives) is an obvious one.

i also think stuff like ascetic and pgo should be first post claims but some ppl would argue w/ me there

K, thx guys.

[Cane + Able]

Titus is just scum

grats on probably being town tho

/agree

[Luna Fox]

You're really bad at this not-hydra-slipping thing aren't you ^_^;;

[Cephrir]

This is complete bullshit, we have played 3 games and you somehow only managed to remember the one from like a year ago, and claimed that it was the only game. You're clearly pretending to misremember.

You probably forgot that I knew who your main was, and thought you could get away with lying. You are deliberately faking your understanding of my meta and that basically confirms you as scum. Like, it's an explicit thing.

this is not a thing people ever do

[Heartless]

I'm not sure this is true. My wincon doesn't mention a specific nation at all, but this is some sort of multi-ball, so I'm gonna guess that Titus and I are of separate factions, though how would multiple town factions even work if there is a case for this?

plz read mastin's op stuff: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8100520

i'm not being a smartass, i say that matter-of-factly

[Cephrir]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

The fuck?

Clarity is NEVER a bad thing.

Unless you're scum.

i believe expe is seizing on the idea of "nervous talking"

i dont think it applies here though, and i also think its waaaaay less of a thing in forum mafia than irl

[Cane + Able]

You're really bad at this not-hydra-slipping thing aren't you ^_^;;

Terrible.

I unsubscribed from my main, gonna see how that works out.

[Cane + Able]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

The fuck?

Clarity is NEVER a bad thing.

Unless you're scum.

i believe expe is seizing on the idea of "nervous talking"

i dont think it applies here though, and i also think its waaaaay less of a thing in forum mafia than irl

Thank you. That makes sense.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not sure this is true. My wincon doesn't mention a specific nation at all, but this is some sort of multi-ball, so I'm gonna guess that Titus and I are of separate factions, though how would multiple town factions even work if there is a case for this?

plz read mastin's op stuff: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8100520

i'm not being a smartass, i say that matter-of-factly

I get that, and I know what it means. Nation and Faction are different, which is why Titus' claim of three town factions isn't right.

Loosely speaking, there is at least one town faction. They win if all threats to them are eliminated.

This is where confusion starts to set in. If there is more than one town faction, then for what reason would they be a threat to each other, and why not just be one town all together, or can they only win when the other town factions are eliminated as well since there seems to be a "war" element to the game too?

Up to page 30 is my superskim .

[Toogeloo]

The reason I suspect that Titus and I are separate factions is that she wouldn't make the mistake of thinking town has 3 factions if she had the same wincon as I do.

[Cephrir]

yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Almost50

I'm not going to say these votes are a bad thing.
Saying a little more about why you're voting would improve our chances of reading you.

i already indicated my dislike of his awful non-content stack of waffles

i think it came from scum

[davesaz]

I don't jump with little to no basis. If I make a call it's because I'm confident in it. I'm seeing the fallacies, but they're not reading fabricated, they're reading oblivious.

Sorry, I should clarify. You rarely state what the basis is, which makes it look to me that you have none.

[Heartless]

This is where confusion starts to set in. If there is more than one town faction, then for what reason would they be a threat to each other, and why not just be one town all together, or can they only win when the other town factions are eliminated as well since there seems to be a "war" element to the game too?

i have a couple ideas from a game-design standpoint but i dont rly want to go into them right now

[Tim]

This is where confusion starts to set in. If there is more than one town faction, then for what reason would they be a threat to each other, and why not just be one town all together, or can they only win when the other town factions are eliminated as well since there seems to be a "war" element to the game too?

i have a couple ideas from a game-design standpoint but i dont rly want to go into them right now

to add upon this, I have at least some confidence that this will be sorted by tomorrow one way or another. As you can see, this hasn't gone unnoticed

[Cephrir]

some flips will probably help with this issue and i don't think talking about it is productive atm

[Toogeloo]

Titus is just scum

Up to page 33. I'm not feeling this yet. I think the claim of the factions might be town believing one thing, but not having the necessary information to bridge the gap, and therefore possibly putting their foot in their mouth. Most of Titus' posts haven't looked scummy either, and I've been mostly looking at those in my skim. I believe it's more likely that we are both town, just different town factions.

[Toogeloo]

Will finish my skim before bed.

[davesaz]

yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Almost50

I'm not going to say these votes are a bad thing.
Saying a little more about why you're voting would improve our chances of reading you.

i already indicated my dislike of his awful non-content stack of waffles

i think it came from scum

Right, my mistake. Would it be jumping to conclusions to say you delayed the vote to see if Almost did anything?

Molla on the other hand said he hated it but nothing about why, in a post quoting Heartless saying the same thing.

What I like the least about it is listing everyone. It's fake as hell to me to have every slot listed with something there, because to make such a list would require seriously paying attention and if paying that much attention there should be more to the list. I can't really see a motivation to a full player list unless he's

trying to look town

. Town should just

be

town.

[Luna Fox]

What I like the least about it is listing everyone. It's fake as hell to me to have every slot listed with something there, because to make such a list would require seriously paying attention and if paying that much attention there should be more to the list. I can't really see a motivation to a full player list unless he's

trying to look town

. Town should just

be

town.

Oh so that's what it's about.
I honestly never thought of something like that.

[davesaz]

BTW the lampshading post just made it worse.