Gistou (Over!)

[rb]

Good cover for your fuckup in 5039 though. Looks like you realised you have literally no choice but to scumread Math because they and I are following similar patterns of thinking/reasoning. You literally can't scucmread me and not them if you're Town.

But you're not Town and you didn't think of that.

[copper223]

As for Maths' points:

@Copper why did you say you couldn't townread Song all game yet call them very likely town?

Because as multiball the mere fact they are scum hunting like mad and being genuine about it doesn't guarantee them being town, it is more than enough to defend them D1 though.

This is shit. Being aware and being able to change it are two different things.
I hate meta to read anyone but if you are a meta reader and are going to exclude meta you do so because you realize it doesn't work on that person.

FOS Titus +Copper.

This post is pretty scummy along the lines of RB's SS "question", it makes a pointless distinction between being aware and being able to change your meta(obviously what I am implying is that she can manipulate her meta so that's not the way to read Titus and people asking about it should concentrate on other aspects of her game), and this is also why I started to change my mind on Mathblade. I also see no re-evaluation of that FOS now that he has 1 flip to work with and a claim from me of different sort.

@RB
You continue being a sarcastic ass, I'll lynch LLD and then, assuming my labors bear fruit and I was right about, you can either kill me or face the firing squad tomorrow.

[copper223]

Good cover for your fuckup in 5039 though. Looks like you realised you have literally no choice but to scumread Math because they and I are following similar patterns of thinking/reasoning. You literally can't scucmread me and not them if you're Town.

But you're not Town and you didn't think of that.

[rb]

As for Maths' points:

@Copper why did you say you couldn't townread Song all game yet call them very likely town?

Because as multiball the mere fact they are scum hunting like mad and being genuine about it doesn't guarantee them being town, it is more than enough to defend them D1 though.

This is shit. Being aware and being able to change it are two different things.
I hate meta to read anyone but if you are a meta reader and are going to exclude meta you do so because you realize it doesn't work on that person.

FOS Titus +Copper.

This post is pretty scummy along the lines of RB's SS "question", it makes a pointless distinction between being aware and being able to change your meta(obviously what I am implying is that she can manipulate her meta so that's not the way to read Titus and people asking about it should concentrate on other aspects of her game), and this is also why I started to change my mind on Mathblade. I also see no re-evaluation of that FOS now that he has 1 flip to work with and a claim from me of different sort.

@RB
You continue being a sarcastic ass, I'll lynch LLD and then, assuming my labors bear fruit and I was right about, you can either kill me or face the firing squad tomorrow.

Oh so NOW you're gonna explain stuff?

What labours? You've done nothing all game

[rb]

Copper you're still yet to give actual evidence as to why we should take race as indicating faction.

[copper223]

I was phone posting from Thailand, I am here now and I am specifically talking about lynching LLD . I bet your mom hates you too .

[copper223]

Copper you're still yet to give actual evidence as to why we should take race as indicating faction.

The evidence is there are 5 possibly and 4 almost guaranteed members of the undead race all in the same PT and sharing the same wincon as a faction, I do not believe we are the only ones in that position nor should anyone with a lick of brain.

[rb]

Copper you're still yet to give actual evidence as to why we should take race as indicating faction.

The evidence is there are 5 possibly and 4 almost guaranteed members of the undead race all in the same PT and sharing the same wincon as a faction, I do not believe we are the only ones in that position nor should anyone with a lick of brain.

And do you think anyone in your hood who was not actually undead/treaty wincon would not have the appropriate fakeclaim?

[rb]

Or even if they didn't have a fakeclaim, would anyone in your head even claim to be not undead anyway?

[rb]

Or even if they didn't have a fakeclaim, would anyone in your hood even claim to be not undead anyway?

EBWOP

[copper223]

Only undead are allowed in our PT (per mastin guarantee), so at most since the Wulden are partially undead after their transformation from Lyncans we have Wulden mole(s).

It makes very little sense for there to be more than 1 Wulden mole both balance-wise and based on how the players have behaved, let's even assume 2 to cover lunatic fringe cases, that still means there are 3 undead (of the same race, one of which is mod confirmed post flip to be the same as me) with the same faction wincon, that's enough to believe the other undead races (Nosferatu and Wulden) also have PT's and shared win-cons, so claiming to be of that race is a bigger scum-tell than everything I have read about WT.

[rb]

Here's the funniest thing though Copper, which has a lot to do with why I think you're scum. It should be ppprreeetttyy damn obvious by now that I'm aligned with either the Titus/BBMolla faction to anyone with any kind of brain reading this thread. It's exactly why Luna + Stormblade don't want me lynched even if I'm fighting against their Neighbourhood - because their treaty WinCon still works with mine - we all sort of share in the superhappyfuntimes together. You, on the other hand apparently don't like my WinCon because you keep trying to get me lynched. This says A LOT about what your actual motivations are in comparison to other members of the treaty.

[copper223]

shifting the argument cause you have lost.

[rb]

I also find it hard to believe that Mastin would acctually guarantee your Hood to be purely Undead given her general approach to modding the game in other areas. People have also pointed out they've been in Neighbourhoods where majority are scum, and this game is FAR from the kind of game to worry strictly about "balance". I think Mastin would have made it overall balanced, but there's nothing to suggest there couldn't be multiple scum in the hood because of some arbitrary reason like "muh ballence"

[copper223]

ask Luna.

[rb]

ask Luna.

You mean the person who thinks her entire neighbourhood might be scummy?

[copper223]

Exactly, the player who I have no influence on so if it were a lie I would be fucked, which pretty much guarantees to anyone with a brain bigger than an amoeba that I am not lying .

[rb]

Also it makes little difference whether she did or didn't because as already said:]

"People have also pointed out they've been in Neighbourhoods where majority are scum, and this game is FAR from the kind of game to worry strictly about "balance". I think Mastin would have made it overall balanced, but there's nothing to suggest there couldn't be multiple scum in the hood because of some arbitrary reason like "muh ballence"

So again Copper: do you think that scum in your neighbourhood wouldn't have believable fake-claims?

[copper223]

Whether they have fake claims or not if they even exist is irrelevant for the point I am making that race is a significant tell of your alignment.

[rb]

Btw there's 4 races in this game who are considered Undead.

Nosferatu
Undead
Wulden
Vampires

So I don't know why you think your neighbourhood being mod-confirmed to be all undead should mean you think you all literally have the racial descriptor of "undead".

[rb]

Whether they have fake claims or not if they even exist is irrelevant for the point I am making that race is a significant tell of your alignment.

Uh, are you being intentionally obtuse or something?

If it's possible that your neighbourhood have a number of people with fake-claims to deceive the hood into thinking they're undead...then you obviously can't rely on everyone having told the truth. Lmao.

[copper223]

Mastin does not consider Humans, Vampires, lycans, nosferatu, or others undead.

[copper223]

No it is not possible, what is possible is that there are multiple Wulden moles, I am 50/50 that there is 1 to begin with, which is the most logical setup, maybe in a weird world there are 2, more is so unlikely it goes under the threshold you consider when making rational decisions about what the best play is.

[rb]

Can I get confirmation of that Mastin?

If that's the case then the point does make sense I guess. Meh. I still don't think the hood is scum-free but it's fair that would indicate that Wulden = more likely to be scummers if I were in the hood and privy to that info.

[DrippingGoofball]

Can we get more LLD votes?