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Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:51 am**

I wanted a current response, as well. After the whole "being _____ is a scumtell".

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:51 am**

In post 1272, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1270, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1264, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1263, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 1262, davesaz wrote:
In post 1255, Luna Fox wrote:I'm most likely to vote on ppl out of PoE at this point.
Whoa, PoE in a 28 player in d1?
That's going to take a heap of explaining.
Because i currently dont feel any of the current wagons, I feel like we're missing something.
It's d1.

In a large.

That's a likelihood.
If it's a likelihood what was the point of dave's question.
PoE implies you have a number of townreads you are unwilling to vote.

D1.

In a large.

Oh, I meant that i have townreads on the people that are currently being wagoned, I obviously dont have townreads on over half the playerlist.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:52 am**

In post 1251, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1237, Stormblade wrote:
In post 1236, mastin2 wrote:Not Voting - 9 (Almost50, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky, Luna Fox)
It would be helpful if you guys voted for someone.
Yeah, I get that.

I've posted my scumspects in the hydra pt this morning, but I'm waiting for Wake to weigh in (or vote).

Looking forward to it. It feels like you've just sort of been milling around this game and that's a little bothersome to me.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:52 am**

In post 1273, RAM wrote:
In post 1269, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1265, RAM wrote:
In post 903, copper223 wrote:
In post 897, Heartless wrote:
In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
it is?

i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either

what are YOU seeing in tit?
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.
Expe, did you respond to this post?

What do you think of it?
Why didn't you ISO him?
This felt easier?

Waiting for a response that you could have gotten for yourself by skimming an ISO is easier?

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:52 am**

It was meant as a reply to "Put your vote somewhere".

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:54 am**

In post 1278, Cane + Able wrote:Waiting for a response that you could have gotten for yourself by skimming an ISO is easier?

Yes?

Why is waiting for a reaction/reply bad? I tacked on an additional question as well.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:57 am**

In post 1277, Heartless wrote:
In post 1251, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1237, Stormblade wrote:
In post 1236, mastin2 wrote:Not Voting - 9 (Almost50, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky, Luna Fox)
It would be helpful if you guys voted for someone.
Yeah, I get that.

I've posted my scumspects in the hydra pt this morning, but I'm waiting for Wake to weigh in (or vote).
Looking forward to it. It feels like you've just sort of been milling around this game and that's a little bothersome to me.

Yeah. I do that a lot on d1 because everything is up in the air and I feel useless not having much to work with (unless something awesome happens like here, where I was going to be fairly useless and possibly downright counterproductive until I picked up on a blatant scumclaim)

On top of that, I have to take my partner's thoughts into account, because I don't want to act unilaterally and make him feel like I'm running the slot without him.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:57 am**

In post 1281, Cane + Able wrote:Yeah. I do that a lot on d1 because everything is up in the air and I feel useless not having much to work with

Ditto, bro.

D1 sucks.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:58 am**

In post 1265, RAM wrote:
In post 903, copper223 wrote:
In post 897, Heartless wrote:
In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
it is?

i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either

what are YOU seeing in tit?
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.
Expe, did you respond to this post?

What do you think of it?

I think it's a valid observation but not alignment indicative, it's just what happens when people wagon me I guess.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:58 am**

triviaThe most advanced level of weaponry in Agnigi is the single-action revolver. It is the favored weapon of officers in the Western Empire, and the best bandits usually have at least one. Other common guns include blunderbusses (for short-range) and smooth-bore muskets (for army use). Rifled muskets exist for sharpshooters and frontiersmen, but are otherwise considered less effective weapons of war.

Ninth Votecount

:

Expedience - 5 (Stormblade, Nosferatu, Klingoncelt, Mathblade, davesaz)

Wayward Thinker - 4 (dramonic, Salt Squad, rb, TheWayItEnds)

Almost50 - 3 (Heartless, Cephrir, BBMolla)
Luna Fox - 2 (Expedience, Lady Lambdadelta)
rb - 1 (Wayward Thinker)
Heartless - 1 (copper223)
Cane + Able - 1 (Titus)
Stormblade - 1 (A Song of Ice and Fire)
davesaz - 1 (No Retreat)
TheWayItEnds - 1 (KuroiXHF)

Not Voting - 8 (Almost50, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky, Luna Fox)

With

28

alive, it takes

15

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, August 2nd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-02 21:00:00).
At deadline,

Expedience

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

Last votecount was post 1236, page 50.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:10 pm**

In post 1283, Expedience wrote:
In post 1265, RAM wrote:
In post 903, copper223 wrote:
In post 897, Heartless wrote:
In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
it is?

i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either

what are YOU seeing in tit?
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.
Expe, did you respond to this post?

What do you think of it?
I think it's a valid observation but not alignment indicative, it's just what happens when people wagon me I guess.

Okay. I like this response a lot.

...but I think your logic does need a little work in regards to your read on me (and even on Luna). You basically read my logic then said "hey let's find posts of her's that fit this" but then you didn't. And then you ended up quoting things that didn't show what you were saying at all. It was a very weird stance to take (like hey ur right but THATS YOU) and I was completely weirded out by it (I wasn't even sure if it was a misunderstanding or if you had legit convinced me my reasoning was wrong to be paranoid) but I somehow see where you're coming from?

Did you read what I was saying about how jumpiness is only something I look for because it's fakeable? Not because it's scummy? I agree that I'm jumpy (I didn't really see it until you pointed it out - that's what I mean by I think I was convinced out of my own paranoia), but jumpiness isn't a scumtell. The reason I'm jumpy/explainy as scum (like I said) is because it's something I do as town.

I, too, get super flaily and stuff when wagoned AS TOWN (a lot more than I do as scum). I don't see anything scummy with your reaction to your wagon.

I'm self-aware. I don't like it when people tell me I'm not. I feel sidetracked, but this is something that is important to me.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:32 pm**

{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}

Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:32 pm**

I haven't read anything at all. Just wanted to check in.

Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should

generally

be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading

?

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:36 pm**

In post 1286, Cane + Able wrote:{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}

Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.

Clarification: These are not my scumreads. I have

four

three of those posted in the hydra PT.

These guys are just coasting the day away.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:37 pm**

In post 1286, Cane + Able wrote:{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}

Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.

Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.

I have a phone, so on breaks at work I can sometimes skim through if I'm not talking with other people, other than that, my main times I can post are usually at lunch, provided there isn't a lot of catching up to do, and just before bed. Occasionally, I might be able to get something in when I get home. This isn't new information, and people should know this about me already.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:39 pm**

In post 1289, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 1286, Cane + Able wrote:{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}

Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.
Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.

I have a phone, so on breaks at work I can sometimes skim through if I'm not talking with other people, other than that, my main times I can post are usually at lunch, provided there isn't a lot of catching up to do, and just before bed. Occasionally, I might be able to get something in when I get home. This isn't new information, and people should know this about me already.

Why do you join games this large? Even I can't keep up, why do you do it?

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:40 pm**

In post 1289, Toogeloo wrote:Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.

Yeah, well my beef is that you haven't done either.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:40 pm**

I typically don't. I haven't been joining larges over the past few years, keeping my joins to mini-themes. But the last two games I played have been larges because either A) I like the mod, B) I like the theme, or C) I like the players.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:41 pm**

In post 1291, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1289, Toogeloo wrote:Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.
Yeah, well my beef is that you haven't done either.

Maybe you should be a vegetarian.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:42 pm**

In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading ?

...repeated for emphasis.

Gonna start to skim through now, try and find the actual start of Day 1.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:43 pm**

In post 1293, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 1291, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1289, Toogeloo wrote:Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.
Yeah, well my beef is that you haven't done either.
Maybe you should be a vegetarian.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:43 pm**

In post 1282, RAM wrote:
In post 1281, Cane + Able wrote:Yeah. I do that a lot on d1 because everything is up in the air and I feel useless not having much to work with
Ditto, bro.

D1 sucks.

I feel like i should be better at D1 because im usually dead before D2 even arrives... usually.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:45 pm**

In post 1254, Cane + Able wrote:
In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?
If he's town, he needs to lease a spot in the newbie queue because he just screams scum to me.

Alternatively you need to lease a spot in the newbie queue because you can't read people

In post 1258, davesaz wrote:
In post 1250, dramonic wrote:It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?
In my case it's that I see what I think is clear scum motivation in the form of circular logic.
Are you legitimately seeing the fallacies and still think they're coming from town?
I have to say, I don't find you easy to read because you usually jump straight to a conclusion with little or no basis. But there have been places where you were right.

I don't jump with little to no basis. If I make a call it's because I'm confident in it. I'm seeing the fallacies, but they're not reading fabricated, they're reading oblivious.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:45 pm**

In post 1294, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading ?
...repeated for emphasis.

Gonna start to skim through now, try and find the actual start of Day 1.

Re: 1: Possibly any negative utility roles that could do more harm to town by not knowing them.
Re: 2: From what memory serves, there's been issues with Wayward and davesaz, davesaz posted a case on Exp scum, there's also been general issues with Exp, i claimed non human that wins with town, molla also claimed non human that wins with town, and there's been issues with Almost50's reads list.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:46 pm**

In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.

certain neg utilities. miller (or anything that gives false guilties to investigatives) is an obvious one.

i also think stuff like ascetic and pgo should be first post claims but some ppl would argue w/ me there

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