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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:47 am
by Cephrir
In post 2546, MathBlade wrote:Shakira's "Try everything"
^god tier town here

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:49 am
by Titus
Coming around on Math being town as well. The question is, can we work with them?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:49 am
by Heartless
In post 2548, dramonic wrote:Franky is V/LA tho?
Assuming that's who we're talking about
he is....?!

couldve fooled me w his sitewide activity

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:51 am
by Heartless
could we plz stop second guessing things based on "easy" or not thats an arbitrary label that doesnt mean anything
tia

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:52 am
by Heartless
In post 2554, Heartless wrote:
In post 2548, dramonic wrote:Franky is V/LA tho?
Assuming that's who we're talking about
he is....?!

couldve fooled me w his sitewide activity
ok now i see he was on vla until today

nvm for now.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:33 am
by TheWayItEnds
In post 2532, rb wrote:
In post 2520, TheWayItEnds wrote:
my vote isnt even on kuroi but please panic more.

im answering your question about what whats in kurois iso that everyone doesnt like because i just went through it because i was asked for a kuroi read.
You're actually not answering my question since I want to know why Wayward is a town read.

Asking questions = panicking :lol:

In any case, should I not be concerned when I feel like we're about to mislynch a counter-wagon and that my top scumread is being completely ignored by majority of the game, despite being the 2nd largest wagon?
out of curiosity do you know where my vote is?

id bet a lot that you dont.

Unvote

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:39 am
by dramonic
WT no?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:43 am
by rb
Lawd, that's what I get for posting at 4am :lol:

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:56 am
by rb
Good night, vote Wayward. Thanks.

Image

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:58 am
by DrippingGoofball
In post 2551, MathBlade wrote:Mainly Kuroi/WF/Expedience

VOTE: Unvote

I think this Kuroi vote feels too "easy" like right before that key point in a movie where the person you think is your friend gives you exactly what but it turns out not to actually be the thing you wanted. And the Expedience wagon is full of people who seem to have stagnated their vote. While I think Expedience is scum with you and so is Song my gut has screamed that it isn't right. Like my brain and gut are at odds with each other so I am rereading today after work.

Gotta go.
CHICKEN

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:56 am
by Nosferatu
I fucked up not getting in a hydra tbh

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:01 am
by davesaz
Doing an ISO and ran across this.
In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.
The start of the sentence sounds like someone pointed this out to you. Where did that occur?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:23 am
by mastin2
In post 2225, dramonic wrote:I dunno if it's off-topic, you people are CONSTANTLY referencing other games :roll:
Yeah, about that.

If you're using meta in the game, that's all nice and good (assuming the game the meta is from is, in fact, completed), but aside from that? Keep comments about other games...in those other games. This should be possible, if that game's thread is still open.

This has been a bit of a problem; please don't make me intervene too many times on the subject.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:24 am
by davesaz
The reason I did that ISO was to find out why WT are being scumread, since the divide between those townreading and scumreading the slot is quite deep. I looked at 1434 (which was cited as a major reason for the scumread) and the positions taken there are pretty reasonable. If the argument about that post was that it's too narrowly focused, that might be valid, but I don't buy into the notion that this post falls short of making points. I'm not too fond of the lack of followup on the points made there, but this game is already an excellent example of why lack of followup isn't AI by itself.

The more telling thing IMO is that the slot's overall focus is quite narrow and they seem to be actively avoiding the main controversies in the thread. This suggests trying to fly under the radar. So while the often-referenced 1434 isn't bad in its own right, the overall pattern is scummy.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:12 am
by Heartless
Spoiler: If you're not copper and you're short on reading time you can probably safely skip this
copper, I'm not sure if it's a consequence of you phone posting. But, from the way you're talking to Ceph and Luna, it looks to me like you could be coming a little unraveled.

So let's take a moment to unpack why you're scumreading me. Is it because of "meta" established in Shaman? Because I'm not lurking. The "tonal" read that suddenly materialized this deep into the game sounds dubious at best.

If you're scumreading me because I'm voting/scumreading you, then I'm going to ask you the exact same question Cephrir asked: Why
should
I be townreading you?
The "reaction test" at the beginning I could see you doing as either alignment. Since then you haven't been doing too terribly much when you've been here. I still don't think Anti's gotten a good, specific answer to the "why is hunting from Expedience's wagon a priority?" line of questioning both in the fundamental reason
why
you're doing it and what thoughts/reads are coming of it.

I scumread your response to Anti's poking last night because you looked more concerned with slapping Anti back than defending/explaining what you did in the early game. Also, from Greatest Idea, I remember you used "scumreading" my hydra (that one with Jingle) as a scum strategy to discredit me and it felt like that's where you were angling.
After that, your posts have a very "shoot from the hip" feel that's nearly impossible to follow.

I'm going to agree with Anti and say that I'd rather wait and read an understandable post than watch you spiral into... whatever this is you're doing now.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:22 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:25 am
by mastin2
triviaSince some lycans have the power to transform into humans, it is no surprise the races containing the lycan strain have this potential as well. In wuldens, it is virtually unused: after all, why would they willingly spend time in their 'inferior' form? However, the most dangerous of nosferatu are the ones who have this gift, as it allows them to take on a fully human appearance, in skin tone and eye color.

Eighteenth Votecount
:
KuroiXHF - 8 (Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, Salt Squad, Toogeloo, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball, Luna Fox, Titus)

Wayward Thinker - 4 (dramonic, Tim, KuroiXHF, rb)

Expedience - 3 (Stormblade, Nosferatu, Klingoncelt)
copper223 - 2 (RAM, Heartless)
Heartless - 2 (Almost50, copper223)
RAM - 1 (Expedience)
Luna Fox - 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)

Not Voting - 7 (Franky, Wake88, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire, davesaz, Mathblade, TheWayItEnds)

With
28
alive, it takes
15
to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, August 2nd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-02 21:00:00).
At deadline,
KuroiXHF
would be lynched.

Extras
Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount
(-5/+3)
KuroiXHF - 8 (Wayward Thinker,
Titus
,
Heartless
,
copper223
,
Luna Fox
,
No Retreat
, Cephrir, Salt Squad, Toogeloo, BBMolla,
DrippingGoofball
,
Luna Fox, Titus
)
(-2/+1)
Wayward Thinker - 4 (dramonic,
rb
,
TheWayItEnds
, Tim, KuroiXHF,
rb
)
(-2)
Expedience - 3 (Stormblade, Nosferatu, Klingoncelt,
davesaz
,
Mathblade
)
(+1)
Heartless - 2 (Almost50,
copper223
)
(=0)
Luna Fox - 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)
(-1)
Stormblade - 0 (
A Song of Ice and Fire
)
(-1)
Franky - 0 (
DrippingGoofball
)
(+2/-2)
RAM - 1 (Expedience,
rb
,
Luna Fox
)
(+3/-1)
copper223 - 2 (RAM, Heartless,
Titus
)


(+6/-2)
Not Voting - 7 (
RAM
, Franky, Wake88,
No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire, davesaz
,
rb
,
Mathblade, TheWayItEnds
)
Last votecount was post 2175, page 88.
Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 1
Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:09p,
Expedience
Votes
rb
in post 576.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:10p,
Stormblade
Votes
Expedience
in post 578.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:14p,
copper223
Votes
Heartless
in post 583.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:16p,
KuroiXHF
Votes
copper223
in post 586.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:16p,
Cephrir
Votes
Nosferatu
in post 588.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:21p,
Cephrir
Votes
Expedience
in post 591.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:26p,
Nosferatu
Votes
Titus
in post 598.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:28p,
Nosferatu
Votes
Expedience
in post 601.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:31p,
Salt Squad
Votes
Expedience
in post 606.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:35p,
Titus
Votes
Cane + Able/Wake88
in post 615.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:42p,
Wayward Thinker
Votes
rb
in post 629.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:44p,
dramonc
votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 639.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:47p,
Luna Fox
votes
Expedience
in post 649.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:57p,
Salt Squad
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 662.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 08:57p,
Klingoncelt
Votes
Expedience
in post 663.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 09:25p,
Mathblade
Votes
Expedience
in post 692.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 09:25p,
BBMolla
Votes
rb
in post 693.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 09:47p,
No Retreat
votes
Expedience
in post 724.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 10:02p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
Stormblade
in post 760.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 10:09p,
Expedience
Votes
Titus
in post 780.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 10:14p,
Expedience
Votes
rb
in post 793.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 10:59p,
No Retreat
votes
davesaz
in post 872.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 11:12p,
rb
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 885.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 11:26p,
BBMolla
Unvotes
(
rb
)
, and Votes
Titus
in post 896.
On Mon, Jul 07/11/16 @ 11:26p,
Heartless
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 910.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 02:00a,
Expedience
Votes
Luna Fox
in post 932.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 08:59a,
TheWayItEnds
votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 1111.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 09:51a,
Luna Fox
unvotes
(
Expedience
)
in post 1140.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 11:39a,
KuroiXHF
Votes
TheWayItEnds
in post 1161.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 11:42a,
davesaz
Votes
Expedience
in post 1164.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 01:52p,
Heartless
Votes
Almost50
in post 1220.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 02:09p,
Cephrir
Votes
Almost50
in post 1234.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 02:31p,
BBMolla
Unvotes
(
Titus
)
, and Votes
Almost50
in post 1246.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 02:39p,
Lady Lambdadelta
votes
Luna Fox
in post 1257.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 04:29p,
Luna Fox
votes
Almost50
in post 1325.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 05:06p,
Almost50
Votes
Heartless
in post 1338.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 06:36p,
Tim
votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 1420.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 06:42p,
No Retreat
votes
Heartless
in post 1430.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 06:51p,
Wayward Thinker
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1434.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 06:52p,
Titus
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1435.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 08:40p,
KuroiXHF
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 1510.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 11:06p,
Salt Squad
Votes
Stormblade
in post 1595.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 11:37p,
Cane + Able/Wake88
Votes
Titus
in post 1621.
On Tue, Jul 07/12/16 @ 11:48p,
Luna Fox
votes
Stormblade
in post 1632.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 06:05a,
copper223
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1699.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 06:18a,
Mathblade
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 1711.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 06:32a,
Expedience
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1728.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 07:09a,
Expedience
Unvotes
KuroiXHF
in post 1793.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 07:19a,
Luna Fox
unvotes
(
Stormblade
)
in post 1801.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 09:06a,
Luna Fox
votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1896.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 09:48a,
No Retreat
votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1917.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 10:00a,
Cephrir
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1919.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 01:04p,
Cane + Able/Wake88
Unvotes
(
Titus
)
in post 1943.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 01:51p,
Salt Squad
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 1958.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 02:58p,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
Franky
in post 2004.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 06:46p,
Mathblade
Votes
Expedience
in post 2058.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 07:33p,
Toogeloo
votes
KuroiXHF
in post 2088.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 07:42p,
Expedience
Votes
RAM
in post 2095.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 08:48p,
BBMolla
Unvotes
(
Almost50
)
, and Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 2160.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 09:44p,
No Retreat
unvotes
(
KuroiXHF
)
in post 2182.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 10:15p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
Stormblade
)
in post 2204.
On Wed, Jul 07/13/16 @ 10:57p,
davesaz
Unvotes
(
Expedience
)
in post 2226.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 04:50a,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 2285.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 05:26a,
RAM
Votes
copper223
in post 2291.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 07:06a,
Heartless
Votes
copper223
in post 2359.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 07:33a,
copper223
Votes
Heartless
in post 2380.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 07:56a,
rb
Votes
RAM
in post 2400.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 08:08a,
Luna Fox
votes
RAM
in post 2411.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 08:16a,
Luna Fox
votes
KuroiXHF
in post 2423.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 08:25a,
Titus
Votes
copper223
in post 2433.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 08:44a,
rb
Unvotes
(
RAM
)
in post 2446.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 09:13a,
rb
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 2466.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 09:21a,
Titus
Votes
KuroiXHF
in post 2478.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 10:43a,
Mathblade
Unvotes
(
Expedience
)
in post 2549.
On Thu, Jul 07/14/16 @ 11:33a,
TheWayItEnds
unvotes
(
Wayward Thinker
)
in post 2555.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:25 am
by Stormblade
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!
What gives you dram town? I'm null on him but town on you so would like to be enlightened, thank u [=

-Nahdia

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:27 am
by dramonic
WT and Kuroi. You can look into expe too if you want but thats just cuz I want to make sure youre aware of his... play... as a whole

Edit: My tears are a river

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:28 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 2567, Stormblade wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!
What gives you dram town? I'm null on him but town on you so would like to be enlightened, thank u [=

-Nahdia
Gut from the way he's posting. I can't really and won't explain too much more (Explaining townreads is anti-town etc) but it's just a strong feeling I have.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:29 am
by Salt Squad
In post 2565, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!
Kuroi and Wayward are both scum.

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:29 am
by Salt Squad
^ ~Bee

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:39 am
by dramonic
So you think they're crossbussing?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:58 am
by TheWayItEnds
or its multiball?

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:58 am
by Titus
In post 2573, TheWayItEnds wrote:or its multiball?
The flavor confirms multiball.
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