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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:26 am
by RachMarie
Wake is my mason buddy he is NOT my twin we do not agree on everything.

uhh Nos Wake and I outted each other about 20 or 30 pages ago I think it was

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:43 am
by Nosferatu
In post 7123, Bacde wrote:Are you undead nos?
In post 7124, Bacde wrote:How do you know only undead have that wincon?
because I read the flips?
RachMarie wrote:Wake is my mason buddy he is NOT my twin we do not agree on everything.

uhh Nos Wake and I outted each other about 20 or 30 pages ago I think it was
ok?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:26 am
by Bacde
??

I don't understand why you think that only ppl who died are the only possible win cons in this game

We haven't even seen destroyer of worlds

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:35 am
by Nosferatu
In post 7127, Bacde wrote:??

I don't understand why you think that only ppl who died are the only possible win cons in this game
true, there could be other wincons, but out of the six factions that have flipped, there's only been one that had the human treaty wincon.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:48 am
by RachMarie
there is no destroyer of worlds it was a gambit I went along with it even though I thought it was silly of Wake to do

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:49 am
by RachMarie
so far I would not rule out others

it seems logical that there are other individuals who are not human but allied with human and win with humans through the treaty wincon.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:50 am
by RachMarie
Dmitri was as close to a destroyer of worlds as it gets and mathblade (dimitri) flipped wulden maf team

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:28 am
by Toogeloo
In post 7070, Bacde wrote:there is no actual controversy over my slot at this point

its all made up by people who haven't read a post in over 100 pages
The irony...

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:31 am
by Heartless
In post 7130, RachMarie wrote:so far I would not rule out others

it seems logical that there are other individuals who are not human but allied with human and win with humans through the treaty wincon.
"Other"?
Who's the other?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:32 am
by Heartless
In post 7128, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 7127, Bacde wrote:??

I don't understand why you think that only ppl who died are the only possible win cons in this game
true, there could be other wincons, but out of the six factions that have flipped, there's only been one that had the human treaty wincon.
Exactly. And they weren't "individual" anything.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:42 am
by RachMarie
do you think that with the other types of flips we have that there was just one individual vamp doc that had the human treaty as a wincon?

Or are you saying you think the D1 lynch flip is part of the wulden or the isolationist factions even though he flipped grey not black or red?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:49 am
by Heartless
What are you talking about Rach?
In post 3907, mastin2 wrote:You win when all threats to the Individual Vampire faction have been eliminated.
This was the individual vampire win condition.
No mention of human treaty.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:49 am
by RachMarie
uggh I will go reread

this game its so hard to keep track of shit

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:51 am
by RachMarie
uggh you are right sorry

I swear I need a flipping spreadsheet with this game and I dont even LIKE spreadsheets

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:53 am
by RachMarie
I would love to know what the redacted part is though.

still I dont see him as being with either mafia team and I doubt he was an SK since he was a doc

so he must have been with town

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:58 am
by Heartless
Win condition wasn't redacted for anyone. The only flips that include the "human treaty" clause are those undead "risen slaves."

The whole "I'm individual but I win with the human treaty" are what LLD and Ceph barfed out and look what they flipped. dave's trying to walk it back now but I'm not buying.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:04 am
by RachMarie
hmmm

I wish wake would get back of vla it sucks having someone to talk to but hes not there to talk to uggh

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:20 am
by Toogeloo
Unvote;
Vote: davesaz


Tim is good too, but I'll go where ever the most support is.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:50 am
by TheWayItEnds
Just to clarify, we're disregarding my result because you don't like how he phrased his claim?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:15 am
by RachMarie
I cant find in your iso

what was the result of your race check on dave?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:25 am
by Bacde
In post 7132, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 7070, Bacde wrote:there is no actual controversy over my slot at this point

its all made up by people who haven't read a post in over 100 pages
The irony...
Hey man my misses are due to the game being confusing not to not reading like a lot of ppl

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:35 am
by mastin2
triviaThe Eastern Kingdom had the worst divide in social classes. Its ruling elite were the brownskin aristocrats, a minority in the total population, and other ethnic groups were of lower importance. They were not, however, without representation, as parliament was a two-house system and the brownskins only controlled one of them.

Fifty-seventh Votecount
:
(Sixteenth Votecount D4)
davesaz - 6 (Expedience, Bacde, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Nosferatu, Toogeloo)

Bacde - 3 (Wake88, davesaz, Wayward Thinker)

Tim - 1 (RachMarie)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (rb)
Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)

Not Voting - 4 (Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire, Almost50)

With
16
alive, it takes
9
to lynch.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, August 23rd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-23 21:00:00).
At Deadline,
davesaz
would be lynched.

Known Player V/LAs:
  • Wake88
    (End: August 12th, 2016)
Tim: V/LA expired Sunday, August 7th, 2016.
Extras
Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount
(+2)
davesaz - 6 (Expedience, Bacde, DrippingGoofball, Heartless,
Nosferatu, Toogeloo
)
(=0)
Bacde - 3 (Wake88, davesaz, Wayward Thinker)
(-1)
Tim - 1 (RachMarie,
Toogeloo
)
(=0)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (rb)
(-1)
rb - 0 (
Nosferatu
)
(=0)
Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)

(=0)
Not Voting - 4 (Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire, Almost50)
Last votecount was post 7108, page 285.
Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 4
Spoiler: Players Voted D4 History
Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 12:58a,
Expedience
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6414.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 01:20a,
Toogeloo
votes
A Song of Ice and Fire
in post 6419.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 02:35a,
Almost50
Votes
davesaz
in post 6431.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 03:51a,
Bacde
votes
No Retreat
in post 6435.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 06:15a,
Almost50
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6463.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 08:58a,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
davesaz
in post 6507.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 09:43a,
No Retreat
votes
Expedience
in post 6518.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 10:58a,
Heartless
Votes
A Song of Ice and Fire
in post 6533.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 05:47p,
Wake88
Votes
Bacde
in post 6589.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 04:23a,
rb
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6627.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 10:06a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6634.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 12:59p,
RachMarie
Votes
Bacde
in post 6651.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 02:05p,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
Bacde
in post 6654.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 03:58p,
davesaz
Votes
Bacde
in post 6663.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 05:21p,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6668.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 08:09p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
No Retreat
)
in post 6677.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 04:21a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
rb
in post 6755.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:24a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 6763.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:47a,
RachMarie
Votes
Nosferatu
in post 6768.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 07:32p,
Almost50
Votes
rb
in post 6839.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:04p,
Nosferatu
Votes
rb
in post 6840.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:19p,
No Retreat
votes
rb
in post 6841.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 12:48a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
rb
in post 6857.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 05:52a,
RachMarie
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6889.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:20a,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
A Song of Ice and Fire
)
, and votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6894.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:36p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 6963.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:40p,
No Retreat
votes
Expedience
in post 6967.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:44p,
Expedience
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6970.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:51p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
Expedience
in post 6980.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:10p,
Heartless
Votes
davesaz
in post 6994.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:21p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Uvotes
(
Expedience
)
in post 6998.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:26p,
Expedience
Votes
davesaz
in post 7000.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 09:04a,
Wayward Thinker
Votes
Bacde
in post 7009.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 11:19a,
Bacde
votes
davesaz
in post 7012.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 11:20a,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
davesaz
in post 7014.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 03:10a,
Almost50
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 7046.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 02:24p,
Heartless
Votes
Tim
in post 7084.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 02:42p,
RachMarie
Votes
Tim
in post 7085.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 05:27p,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
Wayward Thinker
)
, and votes
Tim
in post 7093.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 09:58p,
Heartless
Votes
davesaz
in post 7103.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 03:57a,
Nosferatu
Votes
davesaz
in post 7117.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 09:20a,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
Tim
)
, and votes
davesaz
in post 7142.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:22 pm
by Almost50
OK, I'll vote davesaz on faith. I trust (most) of the people voting there, and I have nothing special to keep me from voting him.

VOTE: davesaz

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:29 pm
by Almost50
@TWIE:

Your check returned a RACE, not a FACTION. As we have established that race/location/nation do not necessarily lead to certain factions we have to evaluate other info, and dave claimed and individual "something" that has a "treaty" win con, then he altered his claim when pointed out individuals have "eliminate all threats to your faction" win con.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:32 pm
by Wayward Thinker
In post 6910, Toogeloo wrote:I don't understand why this has to be a Black or White thing. This game is already convoluted enough. To quote Boromir, "One simply does not simply have a Scum or Town read on every player in this game."
That is what is making this game so difficult. We are spending a lot of our hydra time talking about how to read and understand people and the game.
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