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Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:26 pm**

davesaz is at L-2.

trivia"Always separate, but always ready."

--Northern Tribes motto.

Fifty-eighth Votecount

:

(Seventeenth Votecount D4)

davesaz - 7 (Expedience, Bacde, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Nosferatu, Almost50, rb)

Bacde - 3 (Wake88, davesaz, Wayward Thinker)

Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (RachMarie)

Not Voting - 4 (Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire, Toogeloo)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

davesaz is at L-2.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, August 23rd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-23 21:00:00).
At Deadline,

davesaz

would be lynched.

Known Player V/LAs:

Wake88
(End: August 12th, 2016)

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:50 pm**

UNVOTE:

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:06 pm**

In post 7172, RachMarie wrote:wake is town jeez

can we move on

No he's not. He WAS before you "Wuldened" him. The 3 remaining Wuldens are YOU, Bacde (whom you returned a fake check result on) and Wake (whom you or Bacde recruited).

This is why they felt the need to push on me now, bc killing me at night results in one of you flipping, and if ANY of you flips all 3 are toast (You & wake claimed Masons, so one flip = the other follows, and if Bacde flips first your check is revealed to have been fake too).

Now the Isolationists know whom to target tonight (actually they have to take a pick), while we are left with THEM to hunt down for the town to win.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:10 pm**

In post 7174, Bacde wrote:why would a member of the town be "holding trump cards" against other members of the town?

Who says you're town?? You're the Wulden SPY. I was hoping for town to see things w/o me having to say it aloud bc too much info is as harmful as too little info (since info shared in public is for both town and scum to see).

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:13 pm**

In post 7178, Almost50 wrote:I was hoping for town to see things w/o me having to say it aloud bc too much info is as harmful as too little info (since info shared in public is for both town and scum to see).

You realize that scum have chat together, right? Information is better out than in in almost every possible scenario you can possibly come up with. Scum with a nose can sniff out info and share it amongst it's members. Players that have info and die with it don't help the town in any way either. But hey, I like early claims and breadcrumbing everything, so what do I know...?

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:20 pm**

Updated lynch pool:

Bacde, Wayward T, davesaz, Wake, TWIE, RachMarie

People I won't be lynching: Heartless, Nosferatu, No Retreat, AsoIaF, Expedience, DGB, Toogeloo

That leaves Tim & rb as "circumstantial" lynches, depending on flips and investigation results.

P-edit:

I beg to differ, and the way you, Expedience and Wake (before he got Wuldened) through it all was BAD. Wake was recruited BECAUSE he shared too much. Luna's faction was wiped out because she shared too much.

But anyway, the info I'm willing to share is up there in my read list (if you call that a read list).

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:22 pm**

I am not wulden neither is Wake and most definitely not bacde

Bacde is undead, that does not prevent him from being in a faction with wulden it just means his race is not wulden.

good grief I am town reading you A 50 but you need to get a grip

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:18 pm**

this is a possibilty that bacde was a wulden before and he culted you rach

and everyone on dave wagon :

1 - there is a human race check on him
2 - are you scumreading TWIE and his race check? if yes why noone is pressureing/pushing him?
3 - do you think dave is culted after the race check? cuase in that case he won't lie about his old wincon or shit

I'm not convinced to join there

~Ice

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:20 pm**

another possibity is that you two were both starting the game as wuldens and the cult shot was used on someone else.

~Ice

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:20 pm**

I am not culted jeeze I did not say I completely believe bacde I said his race was undead I did not say he was not of the wulden faction

both Wake and I have our doubts about him being aligned with town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:27 pm**

I was just saying its a possibility stop saying "he is undead he can't get culted" or stuff.

between you - wake - bacde there is a weird relationship. I can sense that too. your mason claim is crooked (and it wasnt the thing I was assuming before) , your push on bacde today seems forced and fake and wake destroyer thingi and the fights you two had till today are not sitting correct with what your claiming.

I can sense it all. Its just I'm not sure if its the good angel to push today. I still feel if we get rb tonight we get a cult

~Ice

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:36 pm**

In post 7181, RachMarie wrote:I am not wulden neither is Wake and most definitely not bacde

Bacde is undead, that does not prevent him from being in a faction with wulden it just means his race is not wulden.

good grief I am town reading you A 50 but you need to get a grip

So being undead basically precludes me from being on a faction with wulden

this has been established...

it was said in my thread that we are either undead or wulden...

and I'm not wulden...

therefore I'm undead...

Why are you doing this?

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:10 pm**

In post 7182, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:1 - there is a human race check on him
2 - are you scumreading TWIE and his race check? if yes why noone is pressureing/pushing him?
3 - do you think dave is culted after the race check? cuase in that case he won't lie about his old wincon or shit

1- It's by TWIE, another suspect of mine. Furthermore, who say the CULTIST cannot be human?

2- I do. I just don't like starting vanity wagons that are not likely to go anywhere. We have 2 living champions (maybe even 3 if the Individual Humans have one of their own, but at least the two mentioned in Titus' role PM are still out there) and they can take care of suspicious players who are not claimed Human.

3- I'm leaning more on him being the CULTIST with his weird claim and then rewording them. If i wasn't already a declared Northerner and was forced to claim my win con I would have went "Eliminate all threat to my own faction" or something similar, and certainly not mention the Human Treaty or say "readacted". That's weird AND suspicious.

That said, I'm willing to reconsider if dave comes back and answers some of the questions already thrown at him, like his flavour name and his Human Faction (he already claimed Human, so claiming the faction doesn't hurt him anymore).

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:15 pm**

In post 7186, Bacde wrote:
In post 7181, RachMarie wrote:I am not wulden neither is Wake and most definitely not bacde

Bacde is undead, that does not prevent him from being in a faction with wulden it just means his race is not wulden.

good grief I am town reading you A 50 but you need to get a grip
So being undead basically precludes me from being on a faction with wulden

this has been established...

it was said in my thread that we are either undead or wulden...

and I'm not wulden...

therefore I'm undead...

Why are you doing this?

To prove you're town you must scum hunt properly, not just throw shade on just about anyone. The game is developed enough for you to make good reads on some players, deduce possible links between others. I can't believe a watcher never got lucky enough to see who killed anyone or even who may have recruited anyone. If you're a TOWN watcher, you should've been targeting your TOWN reads to see if they get visited and if they end up dead tell us who likely killed them. It's the exact opposite of a Tracker (who should target their scum reads to see who they visit and if the target ends up dead).

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:17 pm**

Anyway, I'm cutting you some slack for today, and focusing on my other scum reads, but if you don't start bringing something to the table I'm afraid you'd be eating up on the rest of your credit.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:51 pm**

In post 7118, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 7084, Heartless wrote:VOTE: tim

In post 7085, RachMarie wrote:yeah tim is too much coasting I can see this really well

VOTE: Tim

In post 7093, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 7072, Bacde wrote:what did toog do?

we could lynch toog
Lynch the guy who's been white knighting you! Your whole demeanor has gotten quite rough as of late though, and you're posting without reading evidently. I think I'm done being nice to you, you can sleep in whatever bed you make.

I tried to Bodyguard Luna Night 2. You didn't see me, apparently.

Unvote;
Vote: Tim
what's the origin of this tim wagon? Or am I just this far out of the loop?

PoE

In post 7095, Expedience wrote:
In post 7090, RachMarie wrote:dont forget my mason buddy wake, bacde
I'm also confirmed town
When did that happen?

Spoiler:

From flavor:

In post 6940, Expedience wrote:I am alexis galenos

In post 3909, mastin2 wrote:
dramonic
, who was
Eugine Lysander,
Undead Risen Slave
, has
died N1
.
Eugine Lysander wrote:Alexis Galenos had been wise to gather you all together. She saw this coming, from the moment Dmitri stole the secrets of your kind away.

In post 5831, mastin2 wrote:
Stormblade
, who was
Mark Nikanor
,
Undead Risen Slave 2x-Bulletproof
, has died N2.
Mark Nicanor wrote:You knew Alexis was not just a frightened little girl, that she was wise beyond her years, so when she warned of the threat incoming, you of all people knew to take it seriously. After all...she contacted you first. She wouldn't have done that unless she thought it was something of grave...err, dire consequence. Huh, her sense of humor must have worn off on you, you muse for a short while. It could have also been proximity, given you were the closest of the elders to the great lake where she was rescued, but...

...You knew the Galenos girl to be skilled enough, even wounded, to get there by herself if she didn't think you needed to get involved. It's such a sad situation, a tragedy of the ages. The sweet little girl...what horrors she had to live through, only she truly knows. Damn that Dmitri Damanos! Not only did he hurt the child, he stole your secrets. You didn't even know he had done so until she told you as much. You never knew of his crimes. If you had...before the wulden became what they are...maybe you could have...

Luna Fox
, who was
Demetria Kleon
,
Undead Risen Slave Faction Cop
, has died N2.
Demetria Kleon wrote:Alexis had taught you well. You remember when the world of Agnigi began to crumble down around you. The news spread like wildfire, as the supernatural aspects of the world slowly became common knowledge. Including your existence, the existence of those who were no longer alive, and yet still roamed among the living.

In post 6413, mastin2 wrote:Mathblade, who was
Dmitri Damanos, Wulden Big Bad/Ninja/Bulletproof/Champion
, has died N3.
Dmitri Damanos wrote:Something that same tip said could come from a source you knew...
Alexis Galenos
. Schroder's love interest. You fancied her yourself, but were never able to hold onto her that long, thanks to his meddling. So now, the wicked plan formed, you set into motion the twisted fate that would give birth to Gistou as it is now known: you kidnapped her. Tortured her. And discovered her secret, that she was not, in fact, actually alive. Her distinct green skin was not from being a subset of the yellowskins. No, she was actually deceased, considered such, just as you had figured the hunters were...no, you knew they were better known by a different name.

Additionally:

In post 6940, Expedience wrote:I slipped that my faction color was green on day 1.

In post 3679, Expedience wrote:Was it not immediately obvious to you that you were town from the color?

please don't cult me ;;;;-,;;;

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:55 pm**

I think it's more feasible that davesaz would just blurt out the human treaty wincon if he was human.

However, I don't think it's reasonable to discount the possibility that there is a scum human because there are a lot of race cops? idk but let's not lynch him today.

VOTE: Tim

COULD BE CONVINCED TO VOTE WITH ALMOST NO EFFORT: Nosferatu

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:04 pm**

In post 7042, RachMarie wrote:It was Nero who was pushing the whole SK thing and I was the one who kept telling Nero he was wrong in a subtle way finally we both agreed in our PT f*** it and outed ourselves.

TBF RB was also and I think some others said they were maybe wary of Wake. Whether that was 'cause of his "destroyer of worlds" claim thing or not IDK.

In post 7115, RachMarie wrote:ok I feel better about exped

Why?

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:11 pm**

Alexis is for the humans and I dont think he would have picked that name out by random and I dont think that name would be a fake role claim there is just too much about Alexis for it to not be a real player in the game. It would be like having Dimitri be the destroyer of worlds that wake made up out of whole cloth to try to trick scum into stumbling

He really was disappointed that none of the scumz took the bait

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:24 pm**

ok? Alexis being a real role=//=town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:24 pm**

3. Bacde
12. davesaz
20. rb
23. Expedience
26. DrippingGoofball

I think that I'd be willing to lynch any of these slots today. DGB just seems to be hoping from wagon to wagon without really giving any sort of content so I could see that coming from scum.

Bcade being hysterically abrasive is not something I can easily see coming from town. He also hasn't really explained why he said the WT wagon was being lead by his biggest scumread but I was nowhere near the WT wagon.

I still think Exp was rolefishing. His original reasoning for scumreading me was that I was wasn't voting LLD, which is sorta dumb 'cause it avoids a ton of other players but...

Then he switches to the "OMG NERO'S NOT ROLECLAIMG!" I just feel like if he were town he'd stick with the first thing. I also think this "don't cult me!" sounds fake. Here where he tries to take an obvious reply to DGB and try to make it look like I was talking to him is also hard to see from town.

@Exp

Why do you think RB can't be the cult leader?

also

In post 6944, Expedience wrote:Everyone No Retreat has come out pushing is town, including Wake, Bacde, me, rb (who can only be culted town and can't be cult leader most likely)

In post 6993, Expedience wrote:I'm basically conftown we can win easily if you trial someone like Tim, rb, WT or davesaz

What happened between these two posts where I pushing town RB and then he's a good vig shot?

My issue with RB is mostly his odd stance on Exp. He spends a large chunk of d1 talking about how Exp is scummy and then when Dram flips town he's like "ok maybe Dram was right."

And Dave mostly since I don't like most of the things he's been saying.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:32 pm**

I guess my nightly tinfoil is that RB, Exp, Rach, Bacde are cult. RB and Exp keep each other as scum reads but it never seems like one is up for lynching the other. Rach was WAY fast to town read Exp for his clam when I saw no reason to. Bacde gets Rach to vouch for him and then accidentally slips that RB is scum by saying the WT lynch is lead by his top scumread.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:37 pm**

I'm likely dying soon (THANKS EXP!) so I figure I'll just be "leashed" and i'll use my vig shot as a double lynch but its still mine so I'll have my own pool but you guys get to help decide.

So depending on the lynch I still want to shoot within

3. Bacde
12. davesaz
20. rb
23. Expedience
26. DrippingGoofball

If anyone has any major concers with me killing anyone on this list speak up.

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:40 pm**

oh also I might need to go on v/la from Thursday to Monday

Posted: **Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:50 pm**

What's your read on Tim and Nosferatu, Nero?

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