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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:05 pm
by No Retreat
On d1 I could see the way Tim pushed Molla as being scummy and liking Nos. I know these reads aren't really updated so I'll need to ISO them at some point but why not give me a case on why I should be suspicious of those slots? They are all lurksacks btw so thats NAI.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:11 pm
by No Retreat
@Toog What do you think of what I posted?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:15 pm
by mastin2
triviaThe Northern Tribes would best be described as a series of mobile city-states. Each tribe individually would act independent of the others, but for matters of national concern, they would band together.

Fifty-ninth Votecount
:
(Eighteenth Votecount D4)
davesaz - 5 (Bacde, DrippingGoofball, Nosferatu, Almost50, rb)

Bacde - 3 (Wake88, davesaz, Wayward Thinker)

Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (RachMarie)
Tim - 1 (Expedience)

Not Voting - 5 (Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire, Toogeloo, Heartless)

With
16
alive, it takes
9
to lynch.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, August 23rd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-23 21:00:00).
At Deadline,
davesaz
would be lynched.

Known Player V/LAs:
  • Wake88
    (End: August 12th, 2016)
  • No Retreat
    (August 11th, 2016 - August 15th, 2016)
Tim: V/LA expired Sunday, August 7th, 2016.
Extras
Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount
(-2)
davesaz - 5 (
Expedience
, Bacde, DrippingGoofball,
Heartless
, Nosferatu, Almost50, rb)
(=0)
Bacde - 3 (Wake88, davesaz, Wayward Thinker)
(=0)
Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)
(=0)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (RachMarie)
(+1)
Tim - 1 (Expedience)


(+1)
Not Voting - 5 (Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire, Toogeloo,
Heartless
)
Last votecount was post 7175, page 288.
Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 4
Spoiler: Players Voted D4 History
Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 12:58a,
Expedience
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6414.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 01:20a,
Toogeloo
votes
A Song of Ice and Fire
in post 6419.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 02:35a,
Almost50
Votes
davesaz
in post 6431.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 03:51a,
Bacde
votes
No Retreat
in post 6435.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 06:15a,
Almost50
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6463.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 08:58a,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
davesaz
in post 6507.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 09:43a,
No Retreat
votes
Expedience
in post 6518.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 10:58a,
Heartless
Votes
A Song of Ice and Fire
in post 6533.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 05:47p,
Wake88
Votes
Bacde
in post 6589.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 04:23a,
rb
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6627.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 10:06a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6634.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 12:59p,
RachMarie
Votes
Bacde
in post 6651.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 02:05p,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
Bacde
in post 6654.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 03:58p,
davesaz
Votes
Bacde
in post 6663.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 05:21p,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
No Retreat
in post 6668.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 08:09p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
No Retreat
)
in post 6677.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 04:21a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
rb
in post 6755.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:24a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 6763.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:47a,
RachMarie
Votes
Nosferatu
in post 6768.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 07:32p,
Almost50
Votes
rb
in post 6839.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:04p,
Nosferatu
Votes
rb
in post 6840.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:19p,
No Retreat
votes
rb
in post 6841.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 12:48a,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
rb
in post 6857.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 05:52a,
RachMarie
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6889.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:20a,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
A Song of Ice and Fire
)
, and votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6894.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:36p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 6963.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:40p,
No Retreat
votes
Expedience
in post 6967.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:44p,
Expedience
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 6970.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:51p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Votes
Expedience
in post 6980.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:10p,
Heartless
Votes
davesaz
in post 6994.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:21p,
A Song of Ice and Fire
Uvotes
(
Expedience
)
in post 6998.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 10:26p,
Expedience
Votes
davesaz
in post 7000.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 09:04a,
Wayward Thinker
Votes
Bacde
in post 7009.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 11:19a,
Bacde
votes
davesaz
in post 7012.
On Sun, Aug 08/07/16 @ 11:20a,
DrippingGoofball
Votes
davesaz
in post 7014.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 03:10a,
Almost50
Unvotes
(
rb
)
in post 7046.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 02:24p,
Heartless
Votes
Tim
in post 7084.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 02:42p,
RachMarie
Votes
Tim
in post 7085.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 05:27p,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
Wayward Thinker
)
, and votes
Tim
in post 7093.
On Mon, Aug 08/08/16 @ 09:58p,
Heartless
Votes
davesaz
in post 7103.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 03:57a,
Nosferatu
Votes
davesaz
in post 7117.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 09:20a,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
Tim
)
, and votes
davesaz
in post 7142.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 03:22p,
Almost50
Votes
davesaz
in post 7147.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 04:13p,
rb
Votes
davesaz
in post 7152.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 04:19p,
Toogeloo
unvotes
(
davesaz
)
in post 7153.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 05:07p,
RachMarie
Votes
Wayward Thinker
in post 7158.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 07:50p,
Heartless
Unvotes
(
davesaz
)
in post 7176.
On Tue, Aug 08/09/16 @ 11:55p,
Expedience
Votes
Tim
in post 7191.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:20 pm
by Almost50
@No Retreat:

Any of the top 3 is a good vig shot IMHO.

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:30 pm
by No Retreat
In post 7203, Almost50 wrote:Any of the top 3 is a good vig shot IMHO.
So not Exp and DGB?

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:49 pm
by Nosferatu
In post 7151, davesaz wrote:OK, I guess there isn't much alternative. My own damn fault for just flippantly answering instead of copy/pasting the redacted version from my PM.

Provided his result wasn't messed with, he got Human for a result.
In post 7157, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 7151, davesaz wrote:OK, I guess there isn't much alternative. My own damn fault for just flippantly answering instead of copy/pasting the redacted version from my PM.

Provided his result wasn't messed with, he got Human for a result.
yes i did.
:/

UNVOTE: dave

@people more involved than me: likelihood that there's another redirector/bus driver role extant in the game?

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:25 am
by Almost50
In post 7204, No Retreat wrote:
In post 7203, Almost50 wrote:Any of the top 3 is a good vig shot IMHO.
So not Exp and DGB?
Well, you asked for "preference", so I prefer one of the top 3 because I'm more suspicious of them over the bottom 2.

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:27 am
by Almost50
In post 7205, Nosferatu wrote:@people more involved than me: likelihood that there's another redirector/bus driver role extant in the game?
I suspect there might be one still alive, and if you received a different result to one that has been declared it's as likely you got redirected as it is the other guy was!

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:01 am
by rb
VOTE: Wayward Thinker

@Nero I'd happily lynch Expedience but I only have one vote. If I was Vig I would have shot both Exp + WT days ago.

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:38 am
by RachMarie
Nero put away the tin foil I never cleared bacde as scum I just said he came back with a result as undead. That does not rule out the possibility that his wincon is the same as the wulden FACTION

Part of what makes this game confusing is race is one thing faction is another and the names may be different

so you can have undead aligned with humans as a FACTION and still have an undead who is not part of the FACTION that is kind of what a spy or traitor role is. It is even possible as it is sometimes with traitor roles that bacde is unaware he is a traitor. I am not saying that is the case, I am just pointing out that my clearing him as the RACE of undead is not a 100% clear on FACTION and WINCON

So please stop saying I am defending him peeps.

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:41 am
by RachMarie
and I would totally be fine with you using your vig shot on bacde

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:12 am
by Bacde
How is me being sided with the wulden, when my faction clearly stated that our only two races would be wulden or undead (implying a spy would be wulden), and now me being conf undead

How is this still under discussion

Especially considering how obviously fucking town I've been all game

I replaced into such a shitty slot, if I wasn't obvious town I would have been lynched by now

So why the fuck are you telling people to big me

Holy shit you wouldn't know protown if it took a dump on your front porch

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:16 am
by RachMarie
bacde i did not say you were confirmed scum I said you were not 100% confirmed town just because I got a race read on you. Not in a game like this where not everyone is in the same faction as their race. We had a vamp flip in the isolationist faction remember?

Do take a chill pill please. Seriously there are worse things than dying like scum winning this game

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:30 am
by Bacde
Not really, if I die my whole faction loses idgaf if scum wins if I die

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:31 am
by Bacde
If you don't think I'm scum why are you telling people to vig me?

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:35 am
by RachMarie
because I am partly convinced you are an undead traitor in the wulden faction

but not completely convinced

and Im tired of people making the assumption I basically completely cleared you I want to make sure people accurately understand my report

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:38 am
by Bacde
But you did

It was heavily implied a wulden spy would be wulden

And you are just complicating things by pretending its possible for me to be an undead wulden traitor spy extroadirnaire

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:39 am
by Bacde
That's some serious two face shit right there

Telling people to vig me causing.me to lose and also Luna to lose (who caught scum and.apparently you like)

But also telling.me to calm down and that you aren't sure about me

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:41 am
by Bacde
Why would you think I'm a spy?

There's literally no reason except that mastin said it was possible

But possible also means that it can not be true, AND IT ISNT

Possible doesn't mean confirmed and I'm tires of this tired shitty argument especially when I've been protown as fuck

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:42 am
by RachMarie
Dude

would you stop

seriously

stop

ate like that just makes me want to see you lynched with fire.

We have people seriously considering lynching MASONS because they think I fake claimed a 100% confirmed TOWN read on you. I am just making it clear I DID NOT CONFIRM YOU AS TOWN

jeeze I doubt you will get lynched or vigged. Pretty sure Nero is gonna vig the person he thinks is most scummy

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:45 am
by Bacde
Why are you telling.me you think I'm scum and also telling.me to calm down?

Don't you get it?

You thinking I'm scum ENRAGES ME BECAUSE ITS SO OBVIOUS IM NOT AND YOU HAVE REPORTS INDICATING I AM WHAT I SAY I AM

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:46 am
by Bacde
IVE BEEN SAYING I THINK YOU ARE TOWN AND IM JOKING ABOUT WAKE IM NOT LYNCHING HIM

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:51 am
by RachMarie
sigh

not you dude at least three other people who I have as town reads

look the ONLY people in this game even of my town and scum reads I am 100% on are the flipped players
and Wake everyone else is still under some level of suspicion

and when you respond like this instead of expecting some suspicion as NORMAL in a game like this

YOU MAKE IT MORE LIKELY YOU WILL GET LYNCHED

uggh the AtE here

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:01 am
by Bacde
SAYING TO VIG ME IS NOT A NORMAL LEVEL OF SUSPICION IT IS ABOVE NORMAL

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:03 am
by RachMarie
Like Nero is gonna do anything I tell him to do

seriously dude you are missing the point

your AtE and franticness is far more likely to get you killed off by town than anything i say

My point though is i can not completely clear anyone just with my free checker.

Mastin has made the game complex enough that race location or nation do not by themselves give you enough data.
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