Mafiascum.net

I don't have the mental capacity to deconstruct 8067, but suffice it to say it's all over the place and more than half makes little sense

One more point.

If TWIE was individual lycan with the ability to recruit, why wouldn't he have recruited Rb N1. There also hasn't been a claim that he attempted to recruit any of the 3 people he checked as town for 3 nights in a row. So my doubts about that are high.

I do however, think it's entirely plausible that revealing Rb in this manner is calculated for cred.

those people being Rb, Davesaz, DGB in that order. "as town" should be "as human"*. it's difficult to decouple them still

its not lycan its wulden in this setup

Wulden is lycan or werewolf
Vampire is well vampire
Undead is undead
and Nos is hybrid of vamp and wulden.
Most of the nos were part of the isolationist faction.

And basically Nicholas cant stand any of the other nos, or the wulden either LOL He is all about go team human.

@Tim:

You are doing some nice posting and all, but here's my problem. Following your propositions; are you telling me the Eastern Kingdom started with their Champion as the one and only member of their faction???

I mean, seriously. We had no Eastern Kingdom flips thus far, and we agree Bacde isn't Eastern (even by his own admission). I'm a Northerner, Rach is an individual Nosferatu and Wake was another Northerner who got recruited.

You're proposing TWIE to be an individual Lyacn (!!) and accepting Expedience to be an individual Undead. You're claiming Individual Human yourself.

ASoIaF, rb & DGB could not have started as Eastern Kingdom to begin with (given their nation/Location combinations), so that leaves davesaz as the one and only possible player who could've been originally an Easterm Kingdom faction member.

HOWEVER, even if we assume that this is the case, that would be just No Retreat and davesaz for the Eastern Kingdom, when we know the Northern Tribes started with 3 members.

Your claim to be an Individual Human who has West for Nation and Great Rifdge for location is highly suspicious bc we already had an Individual Human flipping with these details, and if your argument is "why can't there be two?" then I would play the card that also a WULDEN flipped with the same details, so "why can't there be two?" applies.

That is why I've been closely following the map of Nation/Location claims/flips and comparing them to faction claims/flips.

In post 8058, rb wrote:

In post 8055, TheWayItEnds wrote:

In post 8052, rb wrote:Lynching Song is better tbh.

Expedience is scum, Bacde is town and TWIE is very, very likely to be 3rd party. I'm like 10000000% sure of it because he's able to get flavour names - my bet is that he's actually looking for a specific person and doesn't win with either scum or town

This is the 2nd 25 plus player game I've been in where somebody suggested this as a real option. Do you people think mods just hate players or what?

Like they pm you that role with a note that just says go fuck yourself.

It's mod-confirmed there's a 3rd party in this game :^)

yeah a "third party" and a "person who has to find 1 person out of 28" before either of them get nightkilled in a game with approximately 12 night kills are slightly different roles.

wow everyones talking about me.

i feel like the prettiest girl at the ball.

aww way your dress is lovely

wouldnt the 3rd party be the cult leader and his recruits? Its not always a SK I would think

only one player was starting as western kingdom almost thats the wrong aproach. numbers mean nothing here

@Tim I see what your saying , yeah I guess that clears rach and wake and I feel better about you after this ,

now I'm not cult what can I do fix that impression on you? if you beleive I'm culted and so you think there are up to 6 scum atm not 5. the starting point of my claculation is based on me not being culted cuase I'm not.

I'm really concerned about how nights might go and stuff might happen

unless I missed a west kingdom claim?

there are at least 2 wulden out there beside rb

you can't beleive everyone. I beleive there is a good chance that all other 2 wuldens are in human claimers.

In post 8079, Almost50 wrote:@Tim:

You are doing some nice posting and all, but here's my problem. Following your propositions; are you telling me the Eastern Kingdom started with their Champion as the one and only member of their faction???

I mean, seriously. We had no Eastern Kingdom flips thus far, and we agree Bacde isn't Eastern (even by his own admission). I'm a Northerner, Rach is an individual Nosferatu and Wake was another Northerner who got recruited.

You're proposing TWIE to be an individual Lyacn (!!) and accepting Expedience to be an individual Undead. You're claiming Individual Human yourself.

ASoIaF, rb & DGB could not have started as Eastern Kingdom to begin with (given their nation/Location combinations), so that leaves davesaz as the one and only possible player who could've been originally an Easterm Kingdom faction member.

HOWEVER, even if we assume that this is the case, that would be just No Retreat and davesaz for the Eastern Kingdom, when we know the Northern Tribes started with 3 members.

Your claim to be an Individual Human who has West for Nation and Great Rifdge for location is highly suspicious bc we already had an Individual Human flipping with these details, and if your argument is "why can't there be two?" then I would play the card that also a WULDEN flipped with the same details, so "why can't there be two?" applies.

That is why I've been closely following the map of Nation/Location claims/flips and comparing them to faction claims/flips.

There doesn't seem to be any Western Empire Faction people yet besides Titus atm. Pending TWIE/Davesaz/DGB claims. If you are talking about nation results, there are eastern kingdom results from 3/4 flipped undead (storm blade was other). I'm having trouble discerning your point here.

I'm discrediting TWIE being an individual lycan actually. Lycan he may be, but definitely not individual. You are correct on the other two claims.

davesaz and TWIE* for possible eastern kingdom factions technically. For the purposes of counting, I have to challenge you to name 2 other western empire faction members besides Titus, and 2 other eastern kingdom faction members besides No retreat. For example, and honestly the only thing I can think of is: DGB + RB (before being recruited) = west, Davesaz + TWIE = east. I know you are trying to look at symmetries as much as possible but I don't think Mastin is going to do that 100% anyway, and I believe whatever else, the sheer amount of east kingdom undeads over represents that nation. I also think speculation about particular faction name / location / nation is much less useful than say, the implications of race atm, for scum hunting and outguessing the mod purposes anyway. I have the distinct impression that Mastin used a light touch to fill in those in line with the flavor she gave people. (whereas race is probably more in line with game balance). We won't really know for a while yet, but I think it's a distant secondary consideration

Which means I agree that it's just as likely from your POV that Individual Human claim with West for nation and Great Ridge for location is at least as likely as a Wulden with the same. I'm not trying to dismiss suspicion of me based on that; I don't mind you holding that opinion.

In post 8083, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:only one player was starting as western kingdom almost thats the wrong aproach. numbers mean nothing here

@Tim I see what your saying , yeah I guess that clears rach and wake and I feel better about you after this ,

now I'm not cult what can I do fix that impression on you? if you beleive I'm culted and so you think there are up to 6 scum atm not 5. the starting point of my claculation is based on me not being culted cuase I'm not.

I'm really concerned about how nights might go and stuff might happen

Honestly, likely not much. I also have a recruit check to use on you tonight which solves that concern. I only asked whether I'd die from the attempt in case I should instead use it on DGB/Davesaz. (I did however target you with a nation check last night, and I'm still here. Although it's possible I am now also a secret PGO tonight from that)

I'm also honestly not too concerned about nights and stuff. I'm pretty confident town has this game close to in the bag, no matter what happens

I am a human from West Empire but I am from Erimos.

and your faction?

why you didnt claim the fact you targeted me before when i asked it?

what is a recruit check?

what was your results so far ?

and kindly stop fishing my abilities condition and boundries. i claimed what i should have

In post 8085, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:there are at least 2 wulden out there beside rb

you can't beleive everyone. I beleive there is a good chance that all other 2 wuldens are in human claimers.

FINALLY!

Someone says its likely I'm not wulden

trivia

The Northern Tribes base their migration largely off of food flow, and with the only limit on water being whether it's frozen or not, most of their food follows the temperatures, thus, so too does their calendar.

Eighty-first Votecount

:

(Tenth Votecount D5)

rb - 4 (Expedience, DrippingGoofball, RachMarie, Tim)

Tim - 1 (A Song of Ice and Fire)

A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (rb)

Not Voting - 6 (davesaz, Wake88, TheWayItEnds, Bacde, No Retreat, Almost50)

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Thursday, September 8th, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-09-08 21:00:00).
At Deadline,

rb

would be lynched.

Known Player V/LAs: