Gistou (Over!)

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:54 am

In post 5919, Wake1 wrote:
In post 5911, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5906, Wake1 wrote:Honestly, I'm thinking this '
Destroyer of Worlds
' has some part in all of these deaths. If anyone received a message during the Night no matter how trivial I need you to share it because it's important. Now is not the time to withhold any messages.
Stop mechanics hunting and start scum hunting seriously.
I'm obvTown. You ain't got shit honcho.

In post 5913, rb wrote:In wayb4 Wake is Destroyer of Worlds.
Now you're just being paranoid. BUT, your fee-fees on this DO seem Townish...

It is about trying to get the people I am town reading to be useful. Didn't say your lack of scum hunting implied you scum.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:55 am

In post 5914, Bacde wrote:N1

Watch and check song of ice and fire

Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check

Why would a tracker action tell you if/if not an Undead visited?

That doesn't make sense for an Undead to have.

VOTE: Bacde

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:56 am

Nosferatu visited*

Words typos blah

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:08 am

@Rb -- no. Just no. This is hella bad.

Song has a race. The fact they didn't claim it means <redacted> or <redacted>.
If Song can't be culted it means they could be <redacted> or <redacted> or <redacted>. Look at Titus flip. Pretty sure Titus probably wouldn't cult being the Champion. Just saying.

It seems to me that people need more pants less claims more scumhunting.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:09 am

They didn't claim it = The player Nosferatu didn't claim it*

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:12 am

In post 5928, Bacde wrote:
In post 5922, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5914, Bacde wrote:N1

Watch and check song of ice and fire

Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check
Why would a tracker action tell you if/if not an Undead visited?

That doesn't make sense for an Undead to have.

VOTE: Bacde
I'm a watcher dumbass

Doesn't make you town as I said before dumbass.

Gotta get ready for work.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:35 pm

Catching up now.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:05 pm

In post 5910, rb wrote:WAIT. Rach and Bacde stop for a moment.

Rach: RAM was a Redirector. What if they redirected from themselves onto Luna? That would explain why Bacde saw Nosferatu AND RachMarie go visit Luna. Yes? Is this possible? Mastin can you confirm?

...

No. Just no.

A redirector works by changing where the originating player goes. If they redirected any actions they performed on Luna to themselves then they would just get whatever check they did on themselves.

What is more likely is RAM redirected Luna onto herself and there could be a bus driver. In other words, this entire situation is fucked up and everyone is better off reading the players than the mechanics.

That being said here is what I think we can get:

What is actually more intriguing is that Stormblade AND Luna are dead at the start of the day.

This means Stormblade was likely killed by a strongman. If we assume 5 kills a night technically two kills could have been aimed at Stormblade but I doubt they would have been that bravado about confirming what LLD said.

Luna's death is equally surprising because I would have expected a faction cop to get some Doctor love if one exists last night. The fact they are dead says a lot. Now let's assume Rach Marie did check RAM as I am town reading them atm, then I would have expected them to hit Luna if bus driven.

Then they would issue a kill order on RAM thinking it would hit Luna. On the off chance Bacde is town then likely someone who visited RAM issued a kill order meant for Luna. This actually makes me put a rather large FoS on Nosferatu as scum (or my Rach Marie read is wrong but I doubt it.) But then RAM died so they either did redirection bullshit on top of that mess probably to redirect Luna onto herself or there is another strongman.

Either way there are a million goddamn possibilities. Let's actually *gasp* scum hunt rather than mechanics hunt.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:10 pm

However if Bacde is scum then their watcher shit is as useless as an empty role of toilet paper.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

However no...That is equally puzzling as a bus driver should toy with investigatives.

Like let's just fucking scumhunt:

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 5935, Wake1 wrote:
LLD is Scum, therefore today's lynch. Those who oppose it are Scum.

They are claimed Wulden. There is a difference. It is quite possible that they are individual Wulden like their claim. However the more they lurk sack the less likely that becomes.

Pretty much from my POV there are two likely scums that need death namely Bacde and LLD.
Let's take a look at Bacde -- Suspected from mid/late D1 and then outs as watcher and dumps I do why? Then d2 seems more interested in defending themselves then hunting scum. Makes this slot likely scum as I would have expected a town replace in to give some kind of reads.

Now about LLD -- They claimed Individual Wulden. At a time when race = scum was pushed vehemently to everyone and right now still seems to be. I want to see this slot become active so I can see if they are telling the truth or full of shit. If they don't post in 24 hours then we likely have two scums identified.

Mastin can you please poke LLD?

<<< Not so soon after daystart. >>>

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:26 pm

In post 6023, rb wrote:What I don't get: how did the Isolationists not kill LLD if she's Wulden?

I am assuming scum are smart and would leave them for a mislynch so they get an extra day. Why would scum make things easy on us?

*facepalms RB*

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:28 pm

Lynch or mislynch*

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 6038, Wake1 wrote:

You sure you don't want to claim a big man with orange hair and tiny little hands? Because most of what you are doing reminds me of a certain RNC convention and not actually scum hunting.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 6074, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6006, RachMarie wrote:RAM probably redirected your action with someone elses
Checking the flips:
RAM did NOT redirect anyone's action on N2. This is from their role PM:“When you perform
no night actions
(checks do count as a night action), during the night,
you are immune to nightkills.
”, and they did get killed on N2.

...How do you know whether or not RAM didn't redirect anyone's actions unless you are scum with RAM?

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:39 pm

In post 6103, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6101, RachMarie wrote:Wrong

not a wulden

cant stand them uggh
I "could" be wrong, but you were soft defending Bacde before he slipped in favour of an already claimed Wulden, so I suspected you maybe bussing to get town cred and then come up with a false investigation result on Bacde.

Anyway, here's how I suggest it goes: I'm assuming both Heroes alive have the same mechanics of Titus' role, so we lynch Bacde/LLD, one of the Heroes visits LLD/Bacde (the one we don't lynch) and the other visits you.

And so as not to end up with both of them visiting the same target, I suggest East to drop by LL/Bacde and North to drop by you. If you're Human you will not die. If you're a Wulden, we got ya!

This leaves me with 3-4 other suspects to try and figure out, and -hopefully- someone will come up with an investigation result that will help.

Or we could have I dunno not have people take orders from a potential scum fuck? And just ignore your mechanics shit.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 6173, RachMarie wrote:no I think the bg got redirected

so luna died

Or a strongman kill either way the mechanics are fucked up. Scum hunt please.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:44 pm

In post 6197, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6192, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6074, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6006, RachMarie wrote:RAM probably redirected your action with someone elses
Checking the flips:

RAM did NOT redirect anyone's action on N2.
This is from their role PM:“When you perform
no night actions
(checks do count as a night action), during the night,
you are immune to nightkills.
”, and they did get killed on N2.
...How do you know whether or not RAM didn't redirect anyone's actions unless you are scum with RAM?
If you read the quote (hint: there are bolded parts) you'd realize I got it in reverse. Actually RAM must've redirected someone for them to end up dead. If they didn't they should've been immune to NKs. That's what their role PM actually says, and you're only one who actually read my post there, but you still didn't get where I got it backwards!

No I didn't. Look at the italics. My question is why did you post they didn't redirect anyone's actions when the most likely scenario is they did.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:46 pm

In post 6200, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6195, MathBlade wrote:Or we could have I dunno not have people take orders from a potential scum fuck?
I will refrain from responding ONLY out of my respect to your sister. However, you use the F word one more time addressing me and I'm going to be real mean to you. Please respect my wish as I do respect yours. Thank you.

Noted. I let my passions get the better of me sorry. Please replace the F word with player.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:06 pm

In post 6206, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6201, MathBlade wrote:No I didn't. Look at the italics. My question is why did you post they didn't redirect anyone's actions when the most likely scenario is they did.
Because I read their role PM backwards and though that if they DID submit a night action they'd be IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS. Now that you brought it back to me I realized my mistake as they should've been immune if they did NOT redirect someone.

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

1) Likely not PGO since Wake said they checked you and Wake is still around.
2) This scenario makes sense if you are a Isolationist bus driver with RAM and knew RAM didn't target anyone.
3) Assuming this is the case then a strongman kill aimed at Luna to avoid the protections would have killed RAM.
It also explains a majority of the actions here as well.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:09 pm

In post 6209, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 6159, MathBlade wrote:Luna's death is equally surprising because I would have expected a faction cop to get some Doctor love if one exists last night.
Doctor was lynched Day 1. Jailkeeper was killed Night 1. I'm probably the only protection role left, and I did target Luna last night.

In post 6176, MathBlade wrote:Now about LLD -- They claimed Individual Wulden. At a time when race = scum was pushed vehemently to everyone and right now still seems to be. I want to see this slot become active so I can see if they are telling the truth or full of shit. If they don't post in 24 hours then we likely have two scums identified.
Look at the Isolationist Wincon. It specifically says
all
Wulden must be defeated in addition to controlling 50% of the town, suggesting that the Wulden are either opposing Mafia or Cult.

And Holy Fuck people, Bacde is the last remaining member of the Risen Dead Faction which means if he dies, they all lose. There is no need to lynch him today when LLD is practically confirmed a scummer. Mafia likely didn't kill her so that it would be one less lynch against them since town needs to eliminate all threats. I'm operating under the assumption that Wulden are Cult because A) Mastina said there is a Cult in this game, and B) My flavor heavily suggests that WULDEN ARE CULT!.

Derp. Thank you.

VOTE: LLD

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 6215, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6211, MathBlade wrote:1) Likely not PGO since Wake said they checked you and Wake is still around.
2) This scenario makes sense if you are a Isolationist bus driver with RAM and knew RAM didn't target anyone.
3) Assuming this is the case then a strongman kill aimed at Luna to avoid the protections would have killed RAM.
It also explains a majority of the actions here as well.
1) Wake is one of my own. It would be silly if my passive ability actually killed one of my own faction.
2) If RAM targeted nobody he would still be alive. How many times do I need to say this? Read his Role PM. He is IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS if he does NOT submit a night action, and checks do NOT count too.
3) Strongman or no strongman, that's not a problem now. If we can lynch scum today and successfully target 1 or 2 of them at night it is likely that the strongman -if existent- will flip by D4. We WILL see the flips and decide upon them too.

1) PGO has never discriminated. They are paranoid. It is in the dang title. They kill everyone that arrives to them uncontrollably. Therefore you are not a PGO. See the wiki.
2) Strongmen, see the wiki, bypass Bulletproof. So makes sense they would bypass things.
3) Yes it is a huge problem if a strongman does or doesn't exist. People keep dropping their pants as if pants are the worst thing that happened to them. If people keep doing that it won't matter what roles we have. Please for the love of God pants!

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Gun_Owner
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:14 pm

In post 6218, Bacde wrote:
vote RAM

...RAM is dead like wtf?

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:34 pm

.....

<<insert eye twitch emoji >>

Bullshit is annoying to me. I don't ignore posts. Everyone playing the game deserves to have their posts read. This post feels wrong.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:45 pm

In post 6231, Wake1 wrote:
In post 6230, rb wrote:
In post 6228, Wake1 wrote:RB, you
DO
realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?
You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.
My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:47 pm

In post 6213, Wake1 wrote:
Bacde - 3 (A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Tim)
Lady Lambdadelta - 7 (Toogeloo, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Wake88, Almost50, Mathblade)

Not Voting - 8 (Nosferatu, Wayward Thinker, davesaz, No Retreat, Lady Lambdadelta, Expedience, TheWayItEnds, rb)

Expedience makes it 8 unless I missed one. Someone please double check gotta be back later.

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:52 pm

In post 6238, rb wrote:
In post 6234, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6231, Wake1 wrote:
In post 6230, rb wrote:
In post 6228, Wake1 wrote:RB, you
DO
realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?
You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.
My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.
And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*
Your Nation is Other? Is your WinCon also 'Other' Mathblade?

Because if not, then you should know that Nation =/= WinCon.

I neither confirm nor deny my nation. Yes Nation doesn't equal win con. *sigh*

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:59 pm

Because you aren't seeing the other posts that make Wake obvTown and if I spell it out bad things happen :/

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:40 pm

In post 6290, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 6286, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
In post 6283, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:No?

I don't care, vote me if you want this is a bad game.

I'm town, but it's like, I'm not bothered either way.
:/

It wasn't a bad game for the humanity so far

~Ice
no like it's a bad game because it''s not mafia, it's like barely a game.

So I'm apathetic.

What makes you say that?

MathBlade · Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:46 pm

In post 6294, rb wrote:Just ignore LLD and do useful stuff.

Again. I don't ignore people. Cutting people off is stupid and antitown.

If town we get her invested and maybe she can see something we missed.
If scum it gives us thoughts based on what she says.

Ignoring a scum read of yours is what is not useful.

MathBlade · Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:30 am

In post 6296, rb wrote:Can't really figure out why you constantly tell people to stop mechanic-talk and then you wanna have a heart-to-heart with everyone about mechanics at the same time. You keep saying we should scumhunt, but now instead of hunting you wanna have another heart-to-heart about the shittiness of Mastin's mechanics.

Mastin's mechanics aren't bad, it's not a bad game. It's a bad game for LLD because she replaced into being race-read as Wulden which we know is pretty much confirmed scum.

If she's scum it doesn't give us thoughts, it gives us wifom that we should absolutely ignore. If Town then it gives us thoughts. I'm not "ignoring" a scum read. Ignoring a scumread would be me bothering to tunnel LLD who is basically dead no matter what. The horse is dead. If LLD wants to help us because she's town, I encourage her to do so and I'm sorry she replaced into such a shitty slot. Not much else we can do though.

...

I am not having a goddamn heart to heart about mechanics Jesus. I am just correcting bullshit. It is through correcting said bullshit you find out if people are town or scum.

LLD is not a replace in :/ Like are you mixing up games here?

Bah I do not understand you RB I don't. It is like you are trying to give LLD excuses to not interact. I agree they are probably obv scum but stop giving likely scum hints already Jesus.

I fell asleep while writing this post and then woke up tried rereading and still don't understand. LLD is probably going to be lynched but I guess we just play things differently or you are just infuriating me for no reason...but that would make you scum which goes against my prior reads...

Welcome to WTF pile RB.

MathBlade · Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:28 pm

A fake claim when you're already dead
A fun gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame up until my end
It's like ten thousand bulletproof vests when all you need is a cage on your heart
It's meeting the world of my schemes
And then getting ripped apart
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...

(Parody of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic")

This is my BAH post since I can't sleep.

<3 y'all. Look forward to watching the rest of the game unfold.

MathBlade · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:13 am

So Obvtownie and BP. Dies to bullet.

This should be an achievement lol. I think while we lost we did better and managed to eliminate town power while getting townread for it. I was literally trying to get you guys to not drop more pants so we didn't have so many people to kill.

MathBlade · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:26 am

Never said that didn't deserve an achievement either lol.

But yeah surviving having town depants me would have let me fuck with wincons more. OMG that was so fun trying to lie to you guys on how to win.