DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GuyInFreezer]

well excuse me "Not Russian"
But hey what's the chance of scanning SK in this huge playerlist

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah I actually got the result.
Good news huh

[GuyInFreezer]

SK is a meaniebutt. Discuss.

Why SK?

Because he killed my target?

[GuyInFreezer]

That mastina wagon was shit, however.

It was also a justice.

VOTE: SAD

[GuyInFreezer]

Votecount

Ser Arthur Dayne [6] - MagnaofIllusion, RedCoyote, Vaxkiller, hiplop, GuyInFreezer, Lady Lambdadelta
Nukebringer [3] - Cheetory6, Spiffeh, Untrod Tripod


Not Voting [13] - Everyone else

With 22 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

It is now DEFCON 2. Day 2 will last until 12/14/2016 at 10:00 hours PST.
[COUNTDOWN GOES HERE.]

6+3 = 9 guys

[GuyInFreezer]

Man so many ppl going for espionage first.
I feel special.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunno man annoying ppl just lead to lolnuke.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also is it bad if I want to read ppl who wanted SS dead post-claim not russian?

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's do a "not-Russia" list.

[GuyInFreezer]

No explanation required, just names.

[GuyInFreezer]

gif has been town the whole game and i don't understand your vendetta with him.

Vendetta?

Now tell me.
In the GiF-mastina pair: which person is calling the other a piece of shit?

I don't hold a vendetta against GiF. I certainly don't think he holds one against me, either, which is one of the reasons why I think he's scum.
And I haven't held this opinion the whole game. GiF started as a townread.
But then his posting got worse and worse: more lurking. More apathy. More, lack of anything tangible. He was basically skirting by on absolutely nothing. And then, someone--I forget who--made points against GiF. I didn't acknowledge them at the time (so I'd have to manually search the thread for them and fuck that, too much effort), but while I didn't want to agree, while I didn't

want

to let go of the townread, the points resonated with what I was seeing.

Then you get to his attitude this game, and it just reeks of scum coasting. Plus, last I knew, GiF actually holds me in respect as a player, in about the same way you do: if he were town, the expectation I'd hold of him would be that he'd think I was acting weird. He'd be trying to figure out if I was scum just posting blatantly as scum because I didn't know what to do...or if I was town acting batshit insane because of some sort of weird plan I had. You know...basically, exactly what YOU did. What you did, I expected of GiF, because he actually has the knowledge and experience of me to know that when I play in these really odd, strange ways, pulling crazy stunts...that I've always got a plan.

FURTHERMORE, adding to this is the talk we have in the mafia PT. The codes being used, and the style of posting, when serious, are exactly the type I can see GiF devising. Now, mind you. He's not the only player who could have come up with these. RC is a secondary candidate for exactly that. I could probably compile off of their psychological profiles a full list, but just from the game thread alone you can already know that LLD would be in their because she TOLD us she can and has done it before. But GiF remains a suspect.

Then, there's the whole way he and Something_smart handled the claim and counterclaim. Something_smart put zero effort into defending himself. He put zero effort into convincing us he was the cop. He didn't bother to defend himself even remotely. He did nothing. He was deliberately preparing to die. No attempt at fighting back, other than a halfhearted vote on GiF post-counterclaim.

And GiF's end is no better. GuyInFreezer was not acting like a cop and he did nothing to push the wagon through on S_s without a claim. This wasn't exactly impossible, either--Something_smart had like four or five votes even post-claim, with his wagon

resurging

. It was growing. BY ITSELF. Without a counterclaim. The counterclaim wasn't needed. All he'd need to do is to press forward and put even remotely some effort into trying to sway people, and he could have lynched Something_smart without the counterclaim.

Then, he claims to have investigated Fate, the nightkill. That delays him giving hard results. That means there is no player we can clear of being mafia today. That means that we have less information to work with and the PoE pool remains just as large as it was before. Plus, some of the leaked chat suggests to me, potentially off of the timestamps, that Something_smart's cop claim was pre-planned, and also that GiF may have been weighing on NOT counterclaiming Something_smart.

This is no vendetta.
This is just pure, simple scumhunting.

GiF is scum.

He is also, however, regrettably above reproach, at least for the time being.

So you call me smart, you call me stupid, you call me a mafia, and you call me a SK.
Ooooook.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey guys.

riplop is not russian.

[GuyInFreezer]

Troll players:
SpyreX, Zito, Nukebringer (Firebringer), McMenno, LLD could for strategic reasons (otherwise no), UT,

maybe

-GIF, probably-Reck, possibly-GreyICE (not likely), Ircher.

And you say you have any idea of my play.

[GuyInFreezer]

I tried to confirm it yesterday when SAD got lolhammered but mastina non-russianslipped.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was following up to 3539

But after that I lost it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually I think Menno is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Non-russian slip != townslip

Also I was actually voting SAD independent of MoI's case on him.

[GuyInFreezer]

lolhammering a town like that as scum would get him a lot of red target on his head no?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes.

[GuyInFreezer]

Non-russian slip = townslip given my view on SK play. (Which is very well known to be just a vig.)

I'm not mastina nor I want to be mastina.

And furthermore, that's sidestepping the issue.

What

You called SAD town on D1. Not once--consistently. Literally every mention of him on D1 was about how town he was.

Yeah it flipped.

You reversed your stance on him on D2 without any given reason.

Yeah so?

And then, furthermore: you could have unvoted him to stop a lolhammer, in order to "confirm" this townslip of mine. Yet you let the day end.

You could've warned that he was nearing the lynch but did you?
(I had no intention of unvoting him anyway so)

[GuyInFreezer]

I suppose you have never played with me before

and it was a very deliberate hammer

But I've seen you as scum in my game!

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, mastina, GuyInFreezer is town, so you might want to spend your energies elsewhere!

No let her.
It's better this way then she spending energy elsewhere.

[GuyInFreezer]

Still side-stepping the issue: instead of unvoting to see if the slip was legit, you let the day end prematurely.

Even if I was aware of the votecounts then, I wouldn't have unvoted to check it, since it was just me double-checking jic stuff.

...So reversing your stance on SAD, who was a strong townread, for no fucking reason, and joining his CONSIDERABLY LARGE WAGON, for no fucking reason, is...a super fucking scummy thing to do? This is self-evident.

You claimed to understand how I play. I'll give you few hours to rectify the above statement.

[GuyInFreezer]

@MoI

Spiffeh, Russian (Missile Silo), was Sabotaged N2.

[GuyInFreezer]

nvm me I read wrong.

P-Edit: @MoI

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: EP

[GuyInFreezer]

Also can I say that I'm very disappointed with my results so far?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also can I say that I'm very disappointed with my results so far?

GEE I WONDER WHY THAT WOULD BE.

Gee I wonder why.

Oh also I wanted to say this too.

Yes I've counterclaimed my scumbuddies before.
Twice.
One was in one of my first scumgame in this site, and the other in notscience's first scumgame.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, my role is pretty obvious if people have payed attention to what I have said concerning that....

Pedit: You said I could stop 1 nuke at best.... That's a role claim.

No that means the roles she stated can only stop one.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like kelly for SK

So Cheet confirmed no Russian?

[GuyInFreezer]

Sounds like our sub is town.

[GuyInFreezer]

*grabs popcorn*

[GuyInFreezer]

I already think LLD is town though

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I think from this player list, EP is the only one who would call cheet Keely, so I think nuke on her is justified.

[GuyInFreezer]

Reck pls my phone

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean UT was a really hard competing wagon with scum D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunno man would you as scum save S_S over UT?

[GuyInFreezer]

ebwop and it's not like the guy who got the wagon run up on him was awful at this game and therefore a scum liability, and by running him up instead of UT it would earn UT town points. that would never happen

Yes he was lol

[GuyInFreezer]

also don't really buy LLD's whole "check me tonight GIF!!!!" thing because she could just fucking shoot GIF

She've been asking to be checked since D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunno man would you as scum save S_S over UT?

no?

what

this is LITERALLY the point i was fucking making

p.edit what the fuck are you talking about

im clearly making the point that it's a reasonable scenario that UT got run up because of my case, scum freaked and pushed hard on S_S in order to bus him, get them all town points, and make UT's counterwagon look town

Oh I'm talking about near-end-of-D1 wagon.

[GuyInFreezer]

do you not process sarcasm or something

It's hard for me since English is my second language!

[GuyInFreezer]

But he said he'd call off nuke if the sub isn't hitting him

[GuyInFreezer]

idk what to make up this panic

[GuyInFreezer]

Reck's fucking

GiF

wall

[GuyInFreezer]

bet on mastina

[GuyInFreezer]

bet on mastina

recall bet

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Also yeah I'm also waiting for nukes to fall

[GuyInFreezer]

I think I'm going to check LLD tonight Reck next night.
I also think Nahdia, though I don't personally want to, needs to be utility nuked just in case some time.

I just recently read EP's claim and I still think she is more likely to be scum than town for I think she'd be the only person who'd call Cheet Keely in this game.

I'm willing to vote menno despite my read on him if things are going to turn out that way.
MoI's vote on riplop is still sad.

mastina idk time to time I get tempted to just check her for SK but yeah

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh, yeah. Should probably mention this now while we're still here. mastina's very likely not Russian scum just based on the leaks from Vaxkiller (which of course assumes Vaxkiller isn't scum, but let's float this anyway). She has a point that there's a specific tone to them. While I don't think scum are above faking it to a certain extent, I highly doubt mastina's usual tone wouldn't leak at some point.

mastina didn't know how Russian's NK worked so she's prob not russian yeah

[GuyInFreezer]

Ugh. Sorry for spamming the thread so much. I'll shut up until my thoughts stop running.

Unvote, Vote: Errantparabola

She got a nuke coming her way already.

My vote is just sitting there because I'm lazy to unvote.

[GuyInFreezer]

dunno I feel like if the nukes are hitting scum with nukes they would vengenuke after 24 hours.

[GuyInFreezer]

gif has been town the whole game and i don't understand your vendetta with him.

Vendetta?

Now tell me.
In the GiF-mastina pair: which person is calling the other a piece of shit?

I don't hold a vendetta against GiF. I certainly don't think he holds one against me, either, which is one of the reasons why I think he's scum.
And I haven't held this opinion the whole game. GiF started as a townread.
But then his posting got worse and worse: more lurking. More apathy. More, lack of anything tangible. He was basically skirting by on absolutely nothing. And then, someone--I forget who--made points against GiF. I didn't acknowledge them at the time (so I'd have to manually search the thread for them and fuck that, too much effort), but while I didn't want to agree, while I didn't

want

to let go of the townread, the points resonated with what I was seeing.

Then you get to his attitude this game, and it just reeks of scum coasting. Plus, last I knew, GiF actually holds me in respect as a player, in about the same way you do: if he were town, the expectation I'd hold of him would be that he'd think I was acting weird. He'd be trying to figure out if I was scum just posting blatantly as scum because I didn't know what to do...or if I was town acting batshit insane because of some sort of weird plan I had. You know...basically, exactly what YOU did. What you did, I expected of GiF, because he actually has the knowledge and experience of me to know that when I play in these really odd, strange ways, pulling crazy stunts...that I've always got a plan.

FURTHERMORE, adding to this is the talk we have in the mafia PT. The codes being used, and the style of posting, when serious, are exactly the type I can see GiF devising. Now, mind you. He's not the only player who could have come up with these. RC is a secondary candidate for exactly that. I could probably compile off of their psychological profiles a full list, but just from the game thread alone you can already know that LLD would be in their because she TOLD us she can and has done it before. But GiF remains a suspect.

Then, there's the whole way he and Something_smart handled the claim and counterclaim. Something_smart put zero effort into defending himself. He put zero effort into convincing us he was the cop. He didn't bother to defend himself even remotely. He did nothing. He was deliberately preparing to die. No attempt at fighting back, other than a halfhearted vote on GiF post-counterclaim.

And GiF's end is no better. GuyInFreezer was not acting like a cop and he did nothing to push the wagon through on S_s without a claim. This wasn't exactly impossible, either--Something_smart had like four or five votes even post-claim, with his wagon

resurging

. It was growing. BY ITSELF. Without a counterclaim. The counterclaim wasn't needed. All he'd need to do is to press forward and put even remotely some effort into trying to sway people, and he could have lynched Something_smart without the counterclaim.

Then, he claims to have investigated Fate, the nightkill. That delays him giving hard results.

That means there is no player we can clear of being mafia today. That means that we have less information to work with and the PoE pool remains just as large as it was before. Plus, some of the leaked chat suggests to me, potentially off of the timestamps, that Something_smart's cop claim was pre-planned, and also that GiF may have been weighing on NOT counterclaiming Something_smart.

This is no vendetta.
This is just pure, simple scumhunting.

GiF is scum.

He is also, however, regrettably above reproach, at least for the time being.

So you call me smart, you call me stupid, you call me a mafia, and you call me a SK.
Ooooook.

> Saying that I knew Fate was going to die
> Only SK could kill that night
> Messed up about which can kill when
> Not Russian

[GuyInFreezer]

spyrex is good.
nahdia why do you want to be utility lynched, it kind of feels like this is a scum ploy by you.

lol

[GuyInFreezer]

I believe reck confirmed LLD to be not SK?
I think after tonight I should look for SK now, since 3 scums dead lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I am absolutely fine being nuked for PoE pretties if y'all are comfortable with curbstomping the leftover commies. I already did my job D1 lol

(Also, suspicions like those keep me alive even more~)

[GuyInFreezer]

He roleblocked LLD last night and a Russian died (SK made a kill).

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought I was checking LLD tonight?

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean I've been going for "unexpected to be checked" people already.

[GuyInFreezer]

Same here. He had a nuke and he didn't "come with me" nuke anyone

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok lemme clarify.

I'm going to treat voting anyone who hasn't claimed as fishing for claims at this point. We know there has to be at least one, if not more, scum outside the unclaimed. Lynching in that group is doing scum's job for them.

How? We should mass-claim anyway. Scum obviously doesn't have the power to eliminate all the town prs at the end of this cycle.

what the fuck
Massclaim = I'm ded in 2 nights bro

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF needs a nuke to the face on Day 5.

I prefer "Utility nuked for PoE pretties."

[GuyInFreezer]

You say tomato
I say To-mah-to

[GuyInFreezer]

(I really say To-mah-to because that's how you say tomato in Korean.)

[GuyInFreezer]

It's tempting to lolhammer here.
Even though I just said I'd never join the wagon.
And someone else is going to just hammer McMenno literally five minutes from now anyway.
But eh. I suppose I'll leave it to that person.

I got you
VOTE: McMenno

[GuyInFreezer]

I had one major scumread right and I'll take that.