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[Khelvaster]

I'm Kind of Disoriented, is this the right votecount? Votecount

The Votecount

Sensfan(4)--Xylthixlm, Elias The Thief, jerubbaal, Joubert,
Xylthixlm(1)-- Sensfan
Eliast The Thief(2)--jovo14, Korts
Ting--(1)Woelrat


With 12 alive, it will be 7 to lynch!

[Korts]

Speaking of which, CESc, I assume that you are in fact lying through your teeth. If you really think that townies fake post restrictions all the time, though, please provide an example so I can take you off my list of people to lynch tomorrow.

Tomorrow? Are you sure you wanna lynch SensFan just because he has or is possibly faking a very bad PR? I think that's scummy, to say the least.

unvote; vote: Xyl

[Korts]

And the emphasis is on possibly. It's not likely, in my opinion. I, for one, would be too lazy to fake a PR as ridiculous as this. I mean, this is pure art! It takes five minutes for a short sentence. If he's faking it, he's good. I mean

good

. And full of horseshit, the idiot.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Speaking of which, CESc, I

assume

that you are in fact lying through your teeth. If you really think that townies fake post restrictions all the time, though, please provide an example so I can take you off my list of people to lynch tomorrow.

Okay, admission of guilt: 'all the time' was a hyperbole, but yes, I saw townies fake post restrictions more than once. In fact, very soon I'll quote jerubbaal's last post and give some examples along with that.

How exactly was I lying through my teeth?

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

Perhaps, but, unfortunately, townies fake PR's too all the time. Iunno why.

Really? That seems absolutely baffling. Why would a townie ever do that. The only times I've ever seen someone fake a PR were on the other site I play at, MTG Salvation, and both times it was scum (one of the guys pretended that he could only post in smilies and votes/FoS's, which was absolutely hilarious, but fake in the end, the other guy talked pirate talk, which was almost as annoying as this).

Yes, I remember those, but if you play at MtgS, you might also remember Arimnaes in Matrix Mafia, Xyre in 24 Mafia or Axelrod in Elegant Mafia. Really, it happens, and no less than scum faking them. Sometimes because they want to achieve something with it, sometimes because they think it's fun or because they want to get the game moving, and try to stimulate discussion. Really there are multiple reasons why one would want to fake such a restriction.

That said, I'm all for lynching SF. He's pretty much a liability, and I think the sooner we lynch him the better. Not only that, but he might very well be scum too.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

And the emphasis is on possibly. It's not likely, in my opinion. I, for one, would be too lazy to fake a PR as ridiculous as this. I mean, this is pure art! It takes five minutes for a short sentence. If he's faking it, he's good. I mean

good

. And full of horseshit, the idiot.

Hmm.. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but if SF

does

indeed have the posting restriction, what do you think his alignment is? And what do you think right now (with wether he's got a pr or not still unknown)?

[SensFan]

He's pretty much a liability, and I think the sooner we lynch him the better.

Vote: I

Vote: C
Vote: A
Vote: N

Vote: C
Vote: O
Vote: N
Vote: T
Vote: R
Vote: I
Vote: B
Vote: U
Vote: T
Vote: E

[Xylthixlm]

Yes, I remember those, but if you play at MtgS, you might also remember Arimnaes in Matrix Mafia, Xyre in 24 Mafia or Axelrod in Elegant Mafia. Really, it happens, and no less than scum faking them. Sometimes because they want to achieve something with it, sometimes because they think it's fun or because they want to get the game moving, and try to stimulate discussion. Really there are multiple reasons why one would want to fake such a restriction.

Wow, I've never heard of a townie faking a post restriction before. That seems... odd. The impression I've gotten from reading games here is that people who fake post restrictions are almost always scum. Although, given how much negative attention it attracts, I'm surprised scum bother.

It's pretty much a cornerstone of play, though, that town has more to gain from accurate information than scum do. Faking a post restriction deprives the town of accurate information, by misleading players about the setup

and

cutting down contribution from the player faking it. There are almost no circumstances I can think of where it would be a good protown move.

How exactly was I lying through my teeth?

I was assuming you were trying to get SensFan to admit it's fake. It never crossed my mind that you could actually believe that he might be faking but still town.

By the way... have you noticed that, despite protesting "I can contribute", SensFan's only actual contribution to discussion is an OMGUS vote on me?

[Xylthixlm]

Tomorrow? Are you sure you wanna lynch SensFan just because he has or is possibly faking a very bad PR? I think that's scummy, to say the least.

Chance that he is faking: High.
Chance that he is scum if he is faking: Very high.
Chance that he will be helpful if he is not faking: Low.
Benefit of lynching him compared to any other player: High.

[SensFan]

By the way... have you noticed that, despite protesting "I can contribute", SensFan's only actual contribution to discussion is an OMGUS vote on me?

Vote: I

Vote: D
Vote: I
Vote: D
Vote: N
Vote: T

Vote: O
Vote: M
Vote: G
Vote: U
Vote: S

Unvote

[Elias_the_thief]

Ok. Sorry CESc, I guess I should pay closer attention to names. Um, in regard to faking PR's, it certainly can be done by town, I've seen it personally from thestatusquo in mini (i think) 367. maybe 365. One of those.

I'm unsure what to think of the PR. I think the fact that voting one letter has effectively counted as votes says something, but I'm not sure what. I mean, why would the vote count just because of the first letter, unless the PR was real?

[Xylthixlm]

I'm unsure what to think of the PR. I think the fact that voting one letter has effectively counted as votes says something, but I'm not sure what. I mean, why would the vote count just because of the first letter, unless the PR was real?

I thought that too, but it seems like SensFan doesn't understand that part either. That seems to rule out it being part of the PR.

[Elias_the_thief]

eh, maybe. hold on.

unvote:sensfan, vote: S

let's see what happens.

[Khelvaster]

I accidentally counted Sensfan's vote for himself. I was copying and pasting names, and accidentally moved him to voting for himself. It was a complete mistake. That is why, in my revised votecount, he isn't voting for himself.

I am only commenting on this very specific part, since people thought I changed the vote on purpose. I didn't. It was an accident.

Also, is the last votecount correct? Is everyone voting for who they wanted?

Elias, I am not counting vote: S as vote: Sensfan. If you want your vote to be on him, revote him.

[Elias_the_thief]

Ok, well that clears things up a bit. And leaves me as skeptical of Sensfan as I was before.

unvote, vote: senfan

to put him back at -3.

[SensFan]

SensFan looks awfully depressed, slumping down onto a non-existent chair.

[Xylthixlm]

It says in the player list that matimafia is playing, but I don't see any posts, not even a /confirm. theopor_COD hasn't posted since confirming.

Mod, could you prod them please?

[ting =)]

How is lynching SensFan helpful to town? As far as I can tell, that's nothing more than a OMGPRS lynch. Yes, it's annoying, but he hasn't actually done anything scummy unless you can prove he's actually faking his PR.

That said, we've just spent two whole pages talking about nothing but SensFan. I'm going to

vote:xyl

You're pushing really hard for a SensFan lynch for no good reason that I can see. I don't have a clear read, but you look to me like scum going for an easy target.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

He's pretty much a liability, and I think the sooner we lynch him the better.

Vote: I

Vote: C
Vote: A
Vote: N

Vote: C
Vote: O
Vote: N
Vote: T
Vote: R
Vote: I
Vote: B
Vote: U
Vote: T
Vote: E

If you can't post actual words, and only post like this, you're a liability. It'll be hard to accuse you something, and I think not being able to properly discuss things reduces one's accountability for his actions.

[lovo14]

How is lynching SensFan helpful to town? As far as I can tell, that's nothing more than a OMGPRS lynch. Yes, it's annoying, but he hasn't actually done anything scummy unless you can prove he's actually faking his PR.

That said, we've just spent two whole pages talking about nothing but SensFan. I'm going to

vote:xyl

You're pushing really hard for a SensFan lynch for no good reason that I can see. I don't have a clear read, but you look to me like scum going for an easy target.

qft
i do not see why a scum would fake this. the ONLY thing i could see would be an usurper getting on town side early as its best way to play it. but there is no chance that is in this game

big FOS on xyl

[Korts]

And the emphasis is on possibly. It's not likely, in my opinion. I, for one, would be too lazy to fake a PR as ridiculous as this. I mean, this is pure art! It takes five minutes for a short sentence. If he's faking it, he's good. I mean

good

. And full of horseshit, the idiot.

Hmm.. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but if SF

does

indeed have the posting restriction, what do you think his alignment is? And what do you think right now (with wether he's got a pr or not still unknown)?

I'm trying to say that I'm, for now, convinced that he's not faking. I admit that there's a fair possibility that he is, but I don't think so, at the moment. My point was that the nature of the PR--being only able to communicate in votes of a single letter, makes it too difficult to fake. Indeed, faking it would get tiresome and annoying to SF soon, so if he's faking it he's bound to stop anytime in the near future. This is why I'm convinced that he isn't faking. It's just too fiddly, if he could just choose to speak normally. About the alignment, I don't have any feelings yet. Possibly townie, although he hasn't yet contributed, which can be because we were questioning him about his PR.

[Korts]

Tomorrow? Are you sure you wanna lynch SensFan just because he has or is possibly faking a very bad PR? I think that's scummy, to say the least.

Chance that he is faking: High.
Chance that he is scum if he is faking: Very high.
Chance that he will be helpful if he is not faking: Low.
Benefit of lynching him compared to any other player: High.

If he's pro-town, it doesn't matter if he contributes pages worth of suspicions or not. If we lynch him and he's town, it'll still be a step towards losing the game, whether or not he's helpful. I think we need to move on.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

It's pretty much a cornerstone of play, though, that town has more to gain from accurate information than scum do. Faking a post restriction deprives the town of accurate information, by misleading players about the setup

and

cutting down contribution from the player faking it. There are almost no circumstances I can think of where it would be a good protown move.

I agree with you here, but sometimes, towies

do

have a good reason to, and sometimes, townies just make bad moves.

I was assuming you were trying to get SensFan to admit it's fake. It never crossed my mind that you could actually believe that he might be faking but still town.

I don't get it. You thought I wanted SensFan to admit it was fake, which, because you didn't believe a townies would fake a PR, would catch us a scum, yet you think it's a point against me? I'm not completely following you here.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

How is lynching SensFan helpful to town? As far as I can tell, that's nothing more than a OMGPRS lynch. Yes, it's annoying, but he hasn't actually done anything scummy unless you can prove he's actually faking his PR.

But how would he be able to do something scummy at all with this PR? Other than using his vote, he can hardly do anything producive for the town. And since such a PR is very rare in a mini normal, I'd rather say he's faking his PR unless we can prove he's actually not.

[Cogito Ergo Scum]

i do not see why a scum would fake this. the ONLY thing i could see would be an usurper getting on town side early as its best way to play it. but there is no chance that is in this game

So you totally rule out the existence of an usurper, yet you think SF's PR is plausible? I'd also like to know why you think a scum wouldn't fake this.