Mini 559 - Cult Mafia again - Game over

[militant]

Yes, lalaland, i am the very same militant from cc

[XReyoX]

I'm not sure about fake claiming. Townie claiming Doc would draw suspicion from the real one( which leads to lynching?). Confusing the scums is good strat. But you have to weigh in the confusion it can cause on the town as well.

[lalaland]

Yes, lalaland, i am the very same militant from cc

and I'm the same lalaland

[XReyoX]

what is CC?

[Oman]

ConquerClub.

Don't counterclaim if someone claims Doc. It'll be obvious if they're lying (of cause, this is all non-lylo/non-lategame stuff).

[XReyoX]

Unless someone conterclaim, its hard for others to know whether they're lying i think, at least for me. I'm still against the idea of townie fake claiming.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

ot: [btw lol @ you guys being on conquerclub. i just joined that site like a week ago or so. my name there is riskriskriskrisk but im total noob.]

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count

(Page 2)

omg_im_innocent_wtf

– 2 (Elias_the_thief, Norinel)

militant

– 1 (dahen)

XreyoX

– 1 (lalaland)

Friend of Old

– 1 (GhostWriter)

Norinel

– 1 (Oman)

Not Voting:

Blazerunner, Friend of Old, GSGold, militant, omg_im_innocent_wtf, XreyoX

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch. 6 is a no lynch.
Will be prodding those who have yet to post in thread in 24 hours or so. I will let you know when I prod.

[Norinel]

If people are going to be fake claiming anyway, what's the point of claiming at all? Claiming to give the town info (Like the cop with results) is certainly a good idea regardless, but there doesn't seem to be any other good reason to claim if people are expecting pro-town people to not necessarily tell the truth.

forget commenting on me.

if everyone is 100% sure im mafia/cultist, it STILL makes sense in such a role filled game for us to first discuss tactics. and logic is logic, regardless of anyones role.

Did anyone else think this is a little bit unnecessary and overdefensive for Page 1? The two votes on omg at that point were both entirely spurious.

[GSGold]

Whoa, didn't realize this game started. Claiming/Fake Claiming on Day 1 seems to have no point, since we really don't have a lot to go on in a Day start.

Did anyone else think this is a little bit unnecessary and overdefensive for Page 1? The two votes on omg at that point were both entirely spurious.

I agree. With the amount of players, it could easilly spiral into a bandwagon, however, so I'm not sure if he was just a bit jumpy on the idea of a bandwagon against him for no reason or what.

[Friend of Old]

Fake claiming is definately a can of worms, especially as that would give the scum a 'get out of jail free' card, as it were. I'd suggest claiming true and claiming late if at all possible. Circumstances will vary of course. However I do understand the merits of such play, especially if it saves townies from the cult.

One thing I'd like to know however is where

if everyone is 100% sure im mafia/cultist, it STILL makes sense in such a role filled game for us to first discuss tactics. and logic is logic, regardless of anyones role.

came from. Nobody is seriously pointing the finger at anybody, so why post that?

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

it was in response to this post from elias. i felt that was pretty obvious tbh.

ugh. dont feel like commenting on all that stuff from OMG at present. I can back up his claim of not random voting though, ive played with him twice before.

im not being defensive at all. im making a general point that before we start looking to accuse people we should discuss overall strategy.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

guys its not defensive at all.

notice the word 'if'? im saying IF, hypothetically, IF, we were in a situation in which everyone wanted to lynch me, we should still discuss start first.

please read posts carefully before commenting. kinda sad that 3 ppl have now quoted that and missed that part.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

*strat

[curiouskarmadog]

Blazerunner prodded

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

before we continue, could i please just get a quick confirmation from those that misread/misunderstood my post that you now understand it?

i will try to word things a little easier/clearer in future.

[XReyoX]

Vote: Blazerunner

until he speaks.

OMG, I don't think we'll have to discuss strat anymore if we're all 100% sure you are scum. But I get your point.

My strat is *Vote: scum*. nice and simple. XD

[XReyoX]

I just realized that doc can prevent cultification. So I don't think lynch-claimed-townie strat is a good idea.

[Blazerunner]

Sorry for not posting.
Well, day start has pros and cons, of course. Pro is no one starts killed without ever saying anything
Con is we have nothing to start. No cop report, no attempted doc saves, no dead body with a known role so we can predict how many of each role we have left.

About the discussion about claim-lynch, fake claim, etc. I think its quite pointless. If we expect people to fake claim, there is no telling if the one claiming is a maifa or a townie. Soo, I guess its quite random, people can just do as they will... This is my first forum game, so I may be wrong, but this is how it seems to me.

Im not voting now, as we have no clue

[XReyoX]

Blaze: The reason why ppl random vote at the beginning of the game is to encourage disscusion. No discussions are pointless. You could sometimes work out the real intension of the people who start or join them.

So, do you think OMG was overdefensive, or others were just misunderstanding him?

[Norinel]

before we continue, could i please just get a quick confirmation from those that misread/misunderstood my post that you now understand it?

I agree that it's a hypothetical. But the problem I had wasn't the meaning, it was the fact that you even threw it out there as a possibility at all.

Although as far as the point goes, I'd say we can discuss suspicion and strategy at the same time.

Blaze: The reason why ppl random vote at the beginning of the game is to encourage disscusion. No discussions are pointless. You could sometimes work out the real intension of the people who start or join them.

Agreed. Picking out little things from strategy discussion can go a long way. Plus, we might even be able to come up with a useful strategy.

[Elias_the_thief]

Hi. for clarification, I wasnt actually attacking OMG at all, just mentioning that I didnt feel like reading that at the time. Currently I'm dealing with my idiot brothers rampage with my account while I was out of town.

[XReyoX]

Currently I'm dealing with my idiot brothers rampage with my account while I was out of town.

Would that be a reason why you might be making scummy posts in the future (your idiot brothers messing with your account) ?

[Elias_the_thief]

hopefully not. I wont be leaving it on "log me in automatically" anymore. He also made an alt account thats elias the th

ei

f, so watch out for that.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

before we continue, could i please just get a quick confirmation from those that misread/misunderstood my post that you now understand it?

I agree that it's a hypothetical. But the problem I had wasn't the meaning, it was the fact that you even threw it out there as a possibility at all.

Although as far as the point goes, I'd say we can discuss suspicion and strategy at the same time.

Blaze: The reason why ppl random vote at the beginning of the game is to encourage disscusion. No discussions are pointless. You could sometimes work out the real intension of the people who start or join them.

Agreed. Picking out little things from strategy discussion can go a long way. Plus, we might even be able to come up with a useful strategy.

it is too hard to explain what hypothetical means. but i will summarise by saying that i didnt 'throw it out there as a possibility'. i did not at any point in that post consider that to be a possible scenario.

basically consider this, the following scale represents ppl that are 100% im evil:

0 -;-----------------------------1----------2----3-----* all

now, at the time i made that post i probably thought that the level of that scale was about ;. however, i was making a general point, and thus brought up the * situation to demonstrate that regardless of where the correct point on the scale was, this general point held. i brought up the * because as you can see on the scale, if the general point holds at that point, then it also holds at points 1, 2, 3 and ;. basically by proving that even at the most extreme point it is true, i have proved that it is true at all other points on the scale, and thus no other point on the scale will need to be discussed at any time. in fact this is how hypothetical situations are often used.

do you understand now?