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There is a town and you all live in it. However, Mafia has moved in and wants to make it their home instead. If that was not bad enough the Cult also likes the scenery and is also laying claim on the town. Who will survive, who will perish in bullet holed death, or who will follow the cult?

Only you can decide!



The Residents: (bolding confirmed)



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The Former Residents that are now quite Dead:

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Games Status:

1.) I am human, if you disagree or feel I have screwed something up, please PM me.
2.) Do Not Quote PMs. Paraphrasing is fine, if you are uncertain what is acceptable, please PM me. Violators will be modkilled at my discretion.
3.) Majority = lynch. 50% or less = no lynch.
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7.) You will be prodded if you haven’t posted in 72 hours.
8.) Deadlines are my bitch. I can place them and retract them as I see fit.

The game is a mostly open setup. There are exactly 3 different factions in this game: a Cult (one person to start), a 2 man Mafia team (possibly with power roles), and a T (with 2-4 poweroles).

Cult PMs:

Cult Leader Role PM: wrote:
You are the Cult Leader! Each night, you can send me a name of someone you wish to attempt to recruit in the cult, and at daybreak I will notify you if your attempt to recruit them is successful. Your recruits are considered “recruited” when the Day begins. You can recruit "vanilla" townies only -- mafia and pro-town power roles are not recruitable into the cult. You win if the cult is the last remaining faction in the game. You may communicate with your recruits during the Day, and the cult may communicate with new recruits as soon as I let you know they are recruited.

Cult Recruit Role PM: wrote:
You have been recruited into the cult led by XXXX. Current members of the cult are: XXXX. You no longer can win with the town -- You win if the cult is the last remaining faction in the game. You may communicate with your fellow cultists during the Day, and the cult may communicate with new recruits as soon as I let you know they are recruited.

Successful recruit PM sent to all cultist: wrote:
XXXX was sucessfully recruited into the cult!

Failed recruit PM sent to all cultist: wrote:
The Cult Leader tried to recruit XXXX into the cult, but failed!

Mafia PMs:

Sample Mafia power role PM: wrote:
You are the godfather of the Mafia -- this means you will show up innocent to cop investigations. XXXX is your partner. You win when the mafia is the last faction standing. Each night, you and your partner may communicate, and one of you must send in both a kill target, and a choice of which mafia member wishes to "make the kill".

Mafia Goon role PM: wrote:
You are a mafia goon -- you have no special powers. XXXX is your partner. You win when the mafia is the last faction standing. Each night, you and your partner may communicate, and one of you must send in both a kill target, and a choice of which mafia member wishes to "make the kill".

Town PMs:

Sample Town power role PM: wrote:
You are a doctor -- each night, you may send me a name of a player and if that player is targeted for one night kill, then they will be saved from death. If that player is targeted by the Cult to be recruited, then they will be saved from recruitment. You win when all factions hostile to the town have been eliminated.

Town role PM: wrote:
You are a townie. You have no special abilities, but you have your vote. You also have no special allegiances -- you win if all factions hostile to the town have been eliminated -- but if you are recruited into the cult, you win when the cult is the last remaining faction in the game.

Nights:

Nights will last at least 72. Any choices not in to me by deadline will be counted as a no choice.

Questions:

Would a cult recruit inherit the cult leader’s power upon death?

No.

In a 1-1 scenario with a cultist and a townie, would the cultist win?

Yes.

I have picked the roles at random and the PMs have been sent. Please confirm by PM. The game will start in 72 hours or when all of the confirmations have been received.

Mafia may communication during Pre-game.

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because we have history.

Because I felt like voting number 8 on the list.

--- are you the same militant from CC?

for putting 'X' on either side of his name

, because your name reminds of this song that I had to sing that I hated...

sup thread

yo dawg. whats choppin?

for posting without random voting.

It occurs to me that by doing so I'm posting without random voting, but we can't have everything.

ha

i dont ever random vote ever

ok so seriously, lets talk strat.

obviously there are 3 teams.

1 cultist.

2 mafia, one godfather and one goon.

im gonna take a stab and say a minimum of 3 power roles.

1 roleblocker (it was in the other game)

1 doctor (its used in the writeup)

1 cop (otherwise whats the point of a godfather)

and thus a maximum of 6 vanillagers.

this ratio could easily be 4 power roles and 5 vanillagers, with another role in there or 2 roleblockers/doctors.

if we use the 1-2-3-6 ratio,

if we lynch a townie day 1 (we will probly be forced to lynch the first townie to claim so they arent cultified), then we are left with:

1-2-3-5

if worst case scenario mafia kills a power role and cultist recruits a townie, on day 2 we have a situation of:

2-2-2-4.

if the same happens again, on day 3 we have a situation of:

3-2-1-2

village is left completely outweighed, and the cult can easily group together to kill off the mafia and town.


tbh this is kind of rambling, but the general points im trying to make is that

a) the cult is a common enemy of both mafia and town, so in a sense the mafia should be working with us at this stage.
b) it seems very important to get a good start to this game, which probably includes forming some kind of game plan, as otherwise it could end up all but over by day 2 or 3.

ugh. dont feel like commenting on all that stuff from OMG at present. I can back up his claim of not random voting though, ive played with him twice before.

forget commenting on me.

if everyone is 100% sure im mafia/cultist, it STILL makes sense in such a role filled game for us to first discuss tactics. and logic is logic, regardless of anyones role.

d12 = 1016563314

^ does that mean I have to vote myself?

omg:
Your setup guess seems sensible.
You are also correct that the cult is the common enemy of town and mafia, but finding the cultist today is extemely hard, since he/she doesn't have a connection to anybody at the moment. Mafia, on the other hand, are connected, so there we at least have a chance to find anything.

Regarding claims, I'm not sure about the lynch claimed townie-strategy.
If we decide that a claimed townie should be lynched (to make it possible for the recruit to fail) and a claimed power-role should be kept alive for the mafia to take out, then you are dead whatever role you have when you claim.

Of course, this means that any scum needs to claim power-role which is more beneficial to town than if they claim powerless (easier to counterclaim and verify). A claimed power-role who survives creates a WIFOM-situation of course, but that can always be taken care of.

Hmm... maybe you are correct. But the witch trial feel of claims in these cases made me think of an alternative strategy of no claims at all (confuses mafia and cult) followed by a mass claim at some strategic point in the game. Opinions?

Omg: curiouskarmadog has stated that there could be 2-4 town powerroles in the game-setup thread. So the max number of vanilla is 7.

For taking my reason to vote OMG.

I can see how omg came up with the "might as well lynch the claimed-townie cos he will be cultified if we don't" strategy. The no claims at all strategy proposed by dahem could confuse the scums but it would be harder for the other towns to find the scums as well because claimed townie-scum interaction is a vital piece of evidence for spotting scum in most games.

I think the best way to approach this is for the vanilla to claim ONLY when he can free himself from the lynch _AND_ direct it to whom he strongly believes is scum. Otherwise, claiming would hurt the town more than the others. Use claiming as the very last resource.

XReyoX wrote:Omg: curiouskarmadog has stated that there could be 2-4 town powerroles in the game-setup thread. So the max number of vanilla is 7.

yeah, but which of the roles cop, doctor or roleblocker could possibly be left out?

i agree he said 2-4, but i think we can logically deduce from a balance perspective that it is more likely 3-4. just my thoughts.

dahen wrote:omg:
Your setup guess seems sensible.
You are also correct that the cult is the common enemy of town and mafia, but finding the cultist today is extemely hard, since he/she doesn't have a connection to anybody at the moment. Mafia, on the other hand, are connected, so there we at least have a chance to find anything.

true, i wasnt really trying to suggest that, rather just trying to get ppl talking. seems really bad in such a game to just push random ppl to lynch.

Regarding claims, I'm not sure about the lynch claimed townie-strategy.
If we decide that a claimed townie should be lynched (to make it possible for the recruit to fail) and a claimed power-role should be kept alive for the mafia to take out, then you are dead whatever role you have when you claim.

Of course, this means that any scum needs to claim power-role which is more beneficial to town than if they claim powerless (easier to counterclaim and verify). A claimed power-role who survives creates a WIFOM-situation of course, but that can always be taken care of.

Hmm... maybe you are correct. But the witch trial feel of claims in these cases made me think of an alternative strategy of no claims at all (confuses mafia and cult) followed by a mass claim at some strategic point in the game. Opinions?

i think this seems like a very good idea. no claims at all unless you are a cop WITH at least one living peeked person. anyone else want to weigh in on this?

We discussed this last game (did anyone else play both?)

We basically decided that lynching a claimed townie is a dumb goddamn move.

Basically, everyone claim whatever the hell you want. The best idea for townies is to claim Doctor and draw the NK. Best idea for the Doctor is to claim tonwie and draw the cult recruit.

Claiming in this game is broken.

Mafia NKed the cult leader N1 in 500, lets hope it happens again