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Darth Baker Townie
- Townie
- Townie
- Posts: 82
- Joined: July 6, 2019
- Location: In a bakery far, far away.
Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side… then perhaps she will..-
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PMysterious Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1732
- Joined: June 16, 2012
- Location: U.S.A.
Looking at the ISO, I actually agree with this one. I can't really think of anything Darth Baker has said that actually comes off as Town. It's one thing to stick to the character, it's another to basically supply nothing of use.In post 1898, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Let’s do Darth Baker.In post 1894, Vorkuta wrote:Are we in Lylo, and if we're not, can I votepark on VD?
Given the circumstances, it probably isn't LYLO, but it is getting close to that. 4 scum in 17 players is a lot, and considering that somehow we haven't even hit 1 despite having 8 players dead, that's highly unlikely. But still, voteparking on VD at the moment does not seem like a good idea. He's the un-cc'd (Ascetic) Vig/JK, and a vote park on an un cc'd player is a bit scummy.Vorkuta wrote:Are we in Lylo, and if we're not, can I votepark on VD?
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Of the players we have, I honestly don't know who is Town or Mafia anymore. I thought I had an idea, but when Mumble/PP flipped Town (especially the role he claimed), my perception of this game changed entirely. I'll need to recap everybody. The only one I can say for sure is Town is Vault, and that's because he's un-cc'd. Other than that, nothing. At this point, almost everyone is scummy in some way, shape, or form, that it's bothering me.ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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PMysterious Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1732
- Joined: June 16, 2012
- Location: U.S.A.
Okay, so, of the players that are left, here are the claims.
Something_Smart- Tracker Enabler, neighbored by Mumble on Night 1.
Rick- Visitor, claimed Tracker on Day 1, informed of Ninjas.
Vault- Vig/JK, killed Ethos Night 2. Claimed he was Ascetic after Rick attempted to claim he targeted VD with tracking.
Darth Baker- VT
The Fonz- VT
PMysterious (Me)- VT
Almost50- VT (KEYNOTE: Claimed last, and even asked to claim last.)
Vork- VT
Lil Uzi- VT
So, of the claims. Rick was the one that did the most when it comes to claims and Almost50 asked to claim last, which he eventually did.
These claims all came from Day 3, and since then, there have been no retractions. So, I have a few questions that I must ask.
S_S: It's confirmed at this point that Mumble neighbored you, but outside of Night 3, did you communicate with Mumble in any way?
Rick: You claimed Visitor recently, which would fall in line with the info of Ninjas, but are there any modifiers on the role? Like how Vault is Ascetic, is there anything you need to inform us about?
Almost50: I asked this before, but to recap, was there any particular reason to claim last?
I would like answers to all of these questions if at all possible.ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Posts: 23124
- Joined: November 17, 2015
- Pronoun: He/him
- Location: Upstate New York
I mean we talked in the hood before N3, but not really about anything important.In post 1902, PMysterious wrote:S_S: It's confirmed at this point that Mumble neighbored you, but outside of Night 3, did you communicate with Mumble in any way?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
Almost50, PMysterious, Vorkuta, Darth Baker
Taking out VD and Titus from the Penguin Wagon, I would say at least 2 of these are the scum team.
Fonz is likely scum off the wagon.
The 4 people off the wagon were Myself, SS, LUV, and Fonz. Not counting Penguin since he died.
Penguin and I were on PM, so I really think it’s PM.
PM, Fonz, I think one of Baker/Vorkuta makes sense. PMysterious seems to semi be setting up a bus attempt on Baker for some town cred it seems. If baker is town, then that’s a mislynch attempt.
If we’re dealing with only 3 scum, I would say that it’s PM, Fonz, and Baker/Vorkuta.
A50 had a few things that I would consider having given a scum agenda, but my gut isn’t screaming towards him, and it usually is. Even when I think logically he is scum, but I’m not sure, he’s usually town. I know he’s scum when he’s scum.This right here’s my stunt double, Cliff Booth
Town: 1 w, 0 L
Scum: 2 w, 0 L-
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Almost50 Monkey Business
- Monkey Business
- Monkey Business
- Posts: 27276
- Joined: November 13, 2015
- Location: Right here.
In post 1898, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Let’s do Darth Baker.In post 1894, Vorkuta wrote:Are we in Lylo, and if we're not, can I votepark on VD?
Let's do the congaIn post 1899, Rick Dalton wrote:Let’s do PM
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Almost50 Monkey Business
- Monkey Business
- Monkey Business
- Posts: 27276
- Joined: November 13, 2015
- Location: Right here.
In post 1902, PMysterious wrote:Almost50: I asked this before, but to recap, was there any particular reason to claim last?In post 1531, Almost50 wrote:2- Because I wanted scum to worry about me having a different role than the one I claimed, so it'd be harder for them to fake claim. I think it paid off and most of them just claimed VT.
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PMysterious Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1732
- Joined: June 16, 2012
- Location: U.S.A.
At this point, almost anything Mumble and you have talked about is important if it retains to the game.Something_Smart wrote:
I mean we talked in the hood before N3, but not really about anything important.In post 1902, PMysterious wrote:S_S: It's confirmed at this point that Mumble neighbored you, but outside of Night 3, did you communicate with Mumble in any way?
So you're basically a VT at this point.In post 1904, Rick Dalton wrote:Nah, I have no other modifiers.
The Power Roles are now glorified VTs, so we'll have to do any of our deduction throughout the day. If I were to take a guess through probability, the Mafia are in 1 Power Role and 2 VT slots, or maybe 1 VT and 2 Power Roles. Either way, the Mafia likely possess at least one of the VT slots and at least one Power Role slot.
This can help narrow down the playing field.
Vault is most likely to be Town of the Power roles, with the claim of being an Ascetic Vig/JK, and considering that he actually did act.
Through the VTs, ignoring myself, here is my list from least scummy to most scummy based on play.
Lil Uzi
Fonz
Almost50
Vork
Darth Baker
Darth Baker hasn't provided any posts actually worth a thing since the beginning of the game, and overall feels lackluster compared to the other players. It wouldn't surprise me if he's been trying to lay low.
As for Rick and S_S, it will depend on if there are Ninjas or not as Rick claims, if there are Ninjas and Rick is indeed a Visitor, then S_S is a good candidate for Mafia. If there is no Ninja, then it is the other way around.
My predictions for Mafia are as follows.
I was about to post the post without this, and I will say, it's solid considering the mathematics of 2 VTs being Scum compared to 2 Power Roles. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are not Mafia for the time being. NOW to the actual predictions.Almost50 wrote:In post 1902, PMysterious wrote:Almost50: I asked this before, but to recap, was there any particular reason to claim last?In post 1531, Almost50 wrote:2- Because I wanted scum to worry about me having a different role than the one I claimed, so it'd be harder for them to fake claim. I think it paid off and most of them just claimed VT.
Rick/S_S
Darth Baker
Vork
That's 4 players in this list, and I think I nailed down all the Mafia in this group. The question now is, which ones are right? Rick/S_S comes down to if there are Ninjas or not.
The other players not in that group of players piled up as scum candidates, are my current Town reads (A50 is leaning Town at the moment).ShowPM, here with a calmer nature.
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Posts: 23124
- Joined: November 17, 2015
- Pronoun: He/him
- Location: Upstate New York
I'll summarize the neighborhood when I get home tonight. There really isn't much in there other than me telling Mumble not to protect anyone.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Vorkuta Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5494
- Joined: October 29, 2018
- Location: Syberia
but this is some random darth baker evil sith lord and he won't be interested in my cookie recipesIn post 1912, Rick Dalton wrote:Baker and Vorkuta have good chemistry
bs push is bs"Vork are you really confused about editing your sig?" ~Formerfish-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Posts: 23124
- Joined: November 17, 2015
- Pronoun: He/him
- Location: Upstate New York
Spoiler: Neighborhood synopsisIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
How is it bs? And why is this so defensive?In post 1915, Vorkuta wrote:
but this is some random darth baker evil sith lord and he won't be interested in my cookie recipesIn post 1912, Rick Dalton wrote:Baker and Vorkuta have good chemistry
bs push is bs
I think it was a rather fair analysis, and you’re right, I do agree Baker is different here.
And he is an evil sith lord of pastries.
Even if it isn’t true and you guys aren’t scum together, I think it’s fair of me to think that there could be a chance.
Also, the fact you pushed it like that instead of immediately thinking that maybe Darth is scum instead of you makes me feel like I’m either correct, or that you know he’s town.This right here’s my stunt double, Cliff Booth
Town: 1 w, 0 L
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Rick Dalton Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 1011
- Joined: July 29, 2019
- Location: Once Upon A Time In...Hollywood
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VaultDweller Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 287
- Joined: January 21, 2019
- Location: South Africa
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The Fonz Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 9014
- Joined: April 2, 2007
- Location: UK
WHAT? Three in thirteen is standard. You normally get around 25% scum for one scumgroup games. Why on earth would it be highly unlikely to be four in seventeen?In post 1901, PMysterious wrote:
Given the circumstances, it probably isn't LYLO, but it is getting close to that. 4 scum in 17 players is a lot, and considering that somehow we haven't even hit 1 despite having 8 players dead, that's highly unlikely.
VD: you're the confirmed town. The "town leader" today really ought to be you. Do you have any decently strong town reads? You were on Rick two days ago: has anything changed in your view of him, or was it just that Mumble vaulted himself into the lead yesterday then PP did nothing to bring that read into question?In post 1919, VaultDweller wrote:This is the stage in the game where we should be lynching the "Town Leaders". Though I'm actually not sure who that would be :/-
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VaultDweller Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 287
- Joined: January 21, 2019
- Location: South Africa
TBQH, I've kind of given up on this game, given how badly we've been doing. And to quote one of my very first posts, which was semi-serious:
The point I'm trying to make though, is that the "strong" players failed to deliver any scum so far, which tends to mean that the majority of the "strong" players are scum. So yeah, I am back to scumreading Rick. If I had to take a wild guess majority of scum is within Rick/Vork/a50.In post 176, VaultDweller wrote:I'm not good at being town core. I prefer being suspected the whole game long
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Posts: 23124
- Joined: November 17, 2015
- Pronoun: He/him
- Location: Upstate New York
I'd prefer A50 out of those three.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Somewhat_Balanced
- Posts: 23124
- Joined: November 17, 2015
- Pronoun: He/him
- Location: Upstate New York
Also, with the lack of town power we've seen, 14:3 isn't impossible, but I think it's more likely 13:3.5 (3 scum plus a traitor).It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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VaultDweller Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 287
- Joined: January 21, 2019
- Location: South Africa
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