The One That I Cannot Kill [it's FINALLY done]

[northsidegal]

RC, what do you think of the argument that if I'm scum, the one I couldn't vote is you?

[northsidegal]

Same question goes to Who.

[RadiantCowbells]

i see no point in going into it

[northsidegal]

Let's say that I was confirmed to be town.

Isn't there a mechanical way to ensure town's victory?

[northsidegal]

I'm confirmed town. You vote me, unvote. Who votes me, unvote. One of you is scum, and the other is the lynchpin. You crossvote, town wins. Or, more accurately, one of you crossvotes, the other refuses, we lynch them, town wins.

[northsidegal]

That's a hypothetical "I'm confirmed town" there, just to be clear.

[RadiantCowbells]

that doesn't really work

what's stopping us from cross voting

[northsidegal]

If both of you are able to vote me then it indicates that I'm not anyone's lynchpin. That means the two people who aren't me are scum and scum's lynchpin, respectively. If scum votes their lynchpin they lose, so if both of you could vote me then crossvoting would result in an instant scum loss.

[Who]

Same question goes to Who.

Which argument? 96? Not convincing.

I'm confirmed town. You vote me, unvote. Who votes me, unvote. One of you is scum, and the other is the lynchpin. You crossvote, town wins. Or, more accurately, one of you crossvotes, the other refuses, we lynch them, town wins.

I'm confused as to how this works.

[northsidegal]

Alternatively, I could be the lynchpin (as I personally suspect), and scum would then refuse to go through with voting me in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't get it.

How do we know that we're not just enabling a scum quickhammer

[Who]

If both of you are able to vote me then it indicates that I'm not anyone's lynchpin. That means the two people who aren't me are scum and scum's lynchpin, respectively. If scum votes their lynchpin they lose, so if both of you could vote me then crossvoting would result in an instant scum loss.

Did I misread the setup? I thought scum just couldn't hammer, like in SS3.

[northsidegal]

Oh I forgot that quickhammering was a thing.

[Who]

Though to be fair, I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof)

[northsidegal]

I'm not sure what was going through my head. I think I was thinking of like, physical voting, with three people in a room and a ballot box in the middle or something? wow, i'm out of it.

although i still think that i'm the lynchpin honestly so forcing someone to vote me is, i think, still an interesting plan

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

so why exactly do you think that i should as town risk an approximately 50% chance of losing the game outright on this gambit

[northsidegal]

just forget about it

[northsidegal]

genius strategist speaking

[RadiantCowbells]

heck yeah

[Who]

If they can't vote the lynchpin then the easy-win strategy is each person votes then unvotes each player at a random time and you hope no quickhammer because quickhammering is more difficult because it requires constant vigilance.

[RadiantCowbells]

:thonk:

[RadiantCowbells]

:thonk:

[northsidegal]

I think that every person in this game has enough vigilance to snipe even the fastest vote/unvote

[Who]

Or at least, in nonmarathons that would be easy win. In marathons vigilance is easier yeah.

[northsidegal]

regardless, it is slightly bothering me that i seem to be the one taking initiative here when i was the one originally talking about waiting as a strategy (even if the thing i was taking initiative with was a bad idea)