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[Starbuck]

Hi y'all! Excited to play again.

[Starbuck]

Let's just play as normal.

I agree, but I don't necessarily think we can do that here. Although I just want to get down to some scumhunting, it's been too long.

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

Btw, if you're going to track FOS, then you should track, at least, 2 (if not all) from each player or just don't make the effort to track them. You can have multiple scumreads, just as you can have multiple townreads. But it's so early, who really has a dead-on scumread yet?

TSE has a solid post about Farside not being in charge.
Given I am clearly the Flame God Emperor Town in this game

Who are you again?

[Starbuck]

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

Isn't that always how it goes?

[Starbuck]

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

I have 0 reads because I haven't played on MS in years. It's my first game back in like 4 years (I think?). I typically just write what I'm thinking in the moment and roll with it. You and others knew who I was talking about, so obviously it didn't need to be explained.

However, your question here makes me feel like you're trying to force something where there isn't anything. I just don't think you know me and that's cool. Unfortunately, though, I'm not quite sure if that's you coming at me as Town or scum trying to build false suspicion. So maybe I do have my first read.

[Starbuck]

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

This seems like a veiled attack on beeboy. Why not just come out and say it?

shh the words of scum don't effect the game that much.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume, my friend.

[Starbuck]

Spoiler:

Let's just play as normal.

I agree, but I don't necessarily think we can do that here. Although I just want to get down to some scumhunting, it's been too long.

In any case, I'm all for whatever strategy we think will work best with the chain. I am a little apprehensive about someone's first post in the game being nada but complete strategy like he's been analyzing for a final exam, though.

Btw, if you're going to track FOS, then you should track, at least, 2 (if not all) from each player or just don't make the effort to track them. You can have multiple scumreads, just as you can have multiple townreads. But it's so early, who really has a dead-on scumread yet?

TSE has a solid post about Farside not being in charge.
Given I am clearly the Flame God Emperor Town in this game

Who are you again?

So I am going back towards neutral/slight sus on Starbuck. I'll explain everything for clarity since I might as well.
First quip on me is scummy, second one is towny. I can explain on request but it neutrals out so meh.

FoS tracking comment is based on a concluded conversation between me and Farside that ended with us agreeing with you, so it was a weird thing to interject yourself into. Slightly wolfy.
You also say your eager to scum hunt but you didn't really add anything new since your analysis on my opening was non committal to avoid a debate or at least that's how I felt reading it.

But since you haven't played in many years you probably need time to get the ball rolling. Which would explain roughly half my read. You could still be scum and I don't think your town, I am just not going to pretend I have information I don't have when we still have an afk.

1. I'm typically apprehensive of those who go straight into game strategy where they force us to not have an RVS. You did that and thus, took away a semi-useful phase of the game. Additionally, I was looking forward to it, as I haven't done it in forever.

2. On FoS, I was catching up because I had spent the day working and driving back and forth to Daytona in hopes to see the Demo-2 launch, but it was scrubbed. Are you saying that people catching up can't have an opinion/comment on something that is "a concluded conversation" in your eyes? Because that's not necessarily fair. I typically do way more in-depth catch-ups than what I've done already and will comment on what I deem necessary to contribute to - concluded or not. On top of that, again, haven't played in 4 years and trying to get my footing, too.

3. I'm not avoiding debate by any means. I don't really have anything on anyone thus far, but I thought SirCakez making the statement he did was weird as it was obvious who I was talking about (you) with or without a quote.

4. My typical read as town, even in the past, comes off scummy so this doesn't surprise me.

[Starbuck]

So someone tell me, those 9 posts of severe overreaction at the top of this page is a town TSE? Or no? Because good lord.

[Starbuck]

1. I'm typically apprehensive of those who go straight into game strategy where they force us to not have an RVS. You did that and thus, took away a semi-useful phase of the game.

Do you guys just not 'get' that there's no standard voting in this game? How are we supposed to rvs?

I think the conversation should have, especially given the mechanics, evolved a bit more organically in any case. Can't change it now, but it should have been more of a "how do we think we should do this?" and roll from there to see what ideas came about. Not really to see if there were any other ideas, but to see who might be scummy given whatever was put on the table.

In all actuality, beeboy took that away. And for the record, I'm not stating he's scummy for it but he took away multiple opportunities for conversations to evolve and for folks to learn about others.

[Starbuck]

I didn't say I didn't like him. I guess I'm just feeling frustrated because I'm kinda struggling to get a read on anyone and the opportunities that I would have used are no longer an option. If he's town, which I'm seeing quite a few folks getting a town read on him, I don't know how that's helpful to other folks who are town with you. If you're town, you want everyone else who is town to be able to get on the same page (as best as we can). I guess I didn't expect to jump right into full in the face strategy for the mechanic like three posts in.

It's fine. I'll figure out some reads eventually.

[Starbuck]

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did. This reaction is not great because you're getting all defensive over something that wasn't even aggressive in the first place. You're right I don't know you so why not just explain that instead of trying to shade me.

For someone who is accusing me of being defensive, when I was just explaining my frustrations and not FoS-ing him, you seem to get pretty dang defensive and quite white knighty here. If you weren't trying to push something, what was the point of your question when you knew who I was talking about?


TSE's explanation throughout page 8 feels like distancing and/or backtracking. It's too early to tell.

Is there any other reasons you think starbuck is town or is it entirely based on that interaction maybe being TvT and your read on Bee? Do you think that interaction could also come from TvS?

I just felt that misunderstood each other and the "attacks" weren't really attacks. That's why I think it is more likely TvT than TvS. I also TR Starbuck because she seems open with the thought which I like.

To follow up on this, I wasn't attacking beeboy but more making the observation that it wasn't exactly the best move as someone who seems to be town. It was just interesting that someone would essentially take away the potential of information gathering from everyone else by launching right into strategy the way that he did. I'm having a hard time quantifying his actions there coming from a town standpoint. Again, it could just be a conflict in our game play, which is what I've been leaning towards. I feel like I'm just repeating myself at this point.



I'd actually like to see some more talk out of ABR.

[Starbuck]

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did. This reaction is not great because you're getting all defensive over something that wasn't even aggressive in the first place. You're right I don't know you so why not just explain that instead of trying to shade me.

For someone who is accusing me of being defensive, when I was just explaining my frustrations and not FoS-ing him, you seem to get pretty dang defensive and quite white knighty here. If you weren't trying to push something, what was the point of your question when you knew who I was talking about?

Like I said I was trying to figure out why you were being shifty about it.
And ftr I understand the reasoning behind the beeboy (suspicion? frustration?) but I just don't understand why you danced around it the way you did.
Like why not just say "I dislike beeboy's entrance for the massive amount of information in his first post" or something like that?

Probably because I haven't played in a few years so I'm not using all the jargon/phrasing that we're all typically used to when we've played back on MS for awhile, tbh. Again, this isn't really helping my issue with you forcing something where there isn't anything. You just seem focused that I didn't phrase something specifically as you would prefer.

[Starbuck]

It's so interesting because I don't feel I'm being defensive. More discussion than anything else and interacting to try and get some reads.

[Starbuck]

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

[Starbuck]

Meh, I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion in the past. My town read comes off scummy most of the time. I'm used to it.

[Starbuck]

Also, the fact that you won't interact with me doesn't help me have a better read on you.

[Starbuck]

Captain Starbuck, First Officer Rampage standing by! Your orders, sir!

Give us some good content. Your ISO leaves me wanting.

[Starbuck]

midway, you have to understand mine and ABR's relationship. He was in my first ever full NEWBIE game when I first joined in 2009. There's history here.

However, that doesn't mean I won't call him out for lack of content because damn. I could have some really great pillows out of all this fluff.

[Starbuck]

Can I take a shot for every time that TSE uses the word shade? Imma be drunk fast.

[Starbuck]

Meh, I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion in the past. My town read comes off scummy most of the time. I'm used to it.

Okay I'll bite for a moment.
I expected from the sign up for this game you would be more excited to play and be a bit more bubbly in your posting. Instead you came into it like someone pissed in your cherrios and hated everything this game represented.
That was exactly how I read your start. No hey, no good humor. And since then you where defensive, OMGUS and to top it off your reads are basically not saying much.
Lets review.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's not at all how I feel and you are definitely misreading me. I'm glad to be back and playing and thus, was disappointed to go straight into gameplay and not be able to settle in a little. I don't hate everything this game represents and I don't care for this ad hom attack that you're pushing here. I think the mechanic is cool and was why I /inned when ABR suggested that I sign up to play when he noticed I was back on site.

I don't understand how this negativity is what you pulled from my posts. I'm actually majorly disappointed that this is how you're taking my words because it's not how I mean them at all. I'm not playing with any kind of negativity or even defensiveness, really. I've just been discussing and trying to figure things out, too. I figured we have 2 weeks to talk strategy, so to jump right into and not let just some basis of RVS, even just using the FoS, would have been a little helpful at least for me anyways.

So far, I'm not really liking SirCakez continual whiteknighting of beeboy to me when there's no real reason to do so. It's feeling like a way to be active without necessarily commenting on much else.

TSE's overreaction and subsequent posts have just been weird.

I'm not sure how I'm feeling on farside as she's understandably curious/suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's quite genuine or not.

Dunnstral isn't giving me warning bells, so I'm leaning town there. I've also appreciated Raya's contributions and feeling town there, as well.

I'm neutral/town-ish on beeboy because I can see where the difference of gameplay might have come from and willing to trust others who seem to have read him as town.

I need ABR, unwnd, spring, midway, Pink Ball, and NDmath to post more.

Cakez - mmmm ok I kind of glossed over the back and forth but I recall he called you out for throwing shade on Beeboy, which is how I read the post too by the way, and therefore wking him? (I'm going to come back to this in a larger format soon)
TSE - that is vague
farside - fence sitting
beeboy - trending carefully on that read
and the rest (all on gilligans island!)
So in short all that and you have 1 scum read and few town reads. Not to mention the excuses I read are killing me inside.
The "it's been so long since I played a game of mafia" and "trying to get my foot into the game", the "struggling to get a read in the game".
That is literally scum claiming 102 in my world.

I didn't think I was throwing shade, but showing why doing that hinders conversation. I've explained my position on this multiple times and I think we can move on now.

I can't put my finger on TSE yet. I was going to go and read his latest back and forth and then saw your response, so I hope to get a better read on him the more he responds.

On you, I agree because I can't figure you out right now and especially with how things got a bit personal above with you questioning my motives and playing at ad hom. I mean, you think I'm scum that's cool but I don't appreciate you insinuating that I'm ungrateful of the Mod's hard work.

You have to see where I'm coming from on my reads and why I'm struggling. I only remember you and ABR. I haven't played with any of these folks to my knowledge unless it was under a different name. So everyone else has some good experience being around here recently and I don't. So I'm trying to figure folks out. I also like having stuff to go back to in my own ISO rather than keeping a running Notepad doc.

[Starbuck]

Also, everyone has their own playstyles. I’m sick and tired of people treating it as something else.
Playstyles aren’t ever Alignment Indicative. Playstyles are the way people’s personalities are.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
It’s the way they go about it, the motivation behind what they do, how they approach it that determines someone’s alignment.
Not Playstyle.

+1

[Starbuck]

I am waiting for albert to do a big thing as well.
Albert waiting room over here.

[Starbuck]

I mean you're the one who blew it up initially. I just asked why you didn't name beeboy in that post and if you had just answered and not gotten into it with me over this then it would just been that little encounter. I was not trying to force this but now it's getting dragged out.

I do want to move on from that.
Albert I don't know what to think of. I've misread him in the last but this seems like too poor of play to be town even considering that past misread.

I just wrote sentence and you didn't like how I wrote it. I didn't name him just because I didn't name him. There was nothing nefarious there. However, this interaction and your reactions within it don't have me trusting you.

[Starbuck]

Spring has two total posts in this game thus far, and is our chain leader? Man, random roll hates us.

[Starbuck]

Why is that people just scumread or dislike someone for..disliking them

My exact question.

[Starbuck]

I'm not going to do anything remarkable until I see something scummy guys. Ignore me.

So everything you seen so far are just Null and Townie?
Correct?

I havent seen anything townie tbh. Starbuck seems a bit scummy.

I'm not sold on you either.

[Starbuck]

I don't like your heavy handed posts, Starbuck. If you were town I'd expect more light-heartedness and fun. It seems you're under pressure of not being discovered.

You're parroting farside. Maybe my lightheartedness went out the window with RVS.


I mean, did you completely miss my fluff joke pointed at you? I feel like you did and I feel like I wasted a good joke.

[Starbuck]

[Starbuck]

Starbucks lets say Spring went totally rogue and tossed you the chain what would you do with it?
Trying to get into your head right now.


I've kind of given up on ABR because he just doesn't intend on playing until day 2 apparently.

I'd probably give it to you or Raya.

I've been spending tonight adding some of my MtG cards to Ebay and thinking about the game, and my neutral read on you went ultra town. For as much as whatever I said probably annoyed you, you didn't lose your cool or beat me about the head. It's others doing so in your stead. You, at least, understood where I was coming from where farside and SirCakez have been trying to build cases out of a misunderstanding. It's lame.

On Raya, I've really appreciated her input. She's asked questions and answered them, gave some opinions, and is genuinely contributing.


I also realized that I mixed up terms. I was saying that SirCakez was whiteknighting you and I meant to say buddying.

[Starbuck]

As chain leader, I'd like the following:
- nominate your towniest read atm.
- nominate your scummiest read atm.

Please, thanks.

Town - beeboy / Raya
Scum - SirCakez / ABR

I want to give it to Raya so people can stop using us as throwaway answers on who they'd give the chain to.

Who else falls into "people" besides me?

[Starbuck]

ABR is so much scum. I will eat my hat if he isn't.

[Starbuck]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

[Starbuck]

Seriously, read ABR in ISO and tell me that he isn't scum.

[Starbuck]

Okay, he could not be scum, but he's being hella unhelpful if he's town.

[Starbuck]

Re-read Part 1, Page 1 to 5

I've thought about the strategy to this game today and it is optimal play for town is to just hand the chain to whoever they are confident is town and is least likely to get a chain from someone else.

Beeboy, do you still feel like this is the case or has your stance changed?

We also want a somewhat random town player being 2nd last so we shouldn't just select a "2nd last town" to make the kill, we want a fluid game state that allows for people to have free will especially in the early game since information is more valuable then actually hitting scum day 1 and 2. You can't solve a lot of players without letting them make hard hitting choices and by just shoving choices down their throat we can't ever get a solid read.

Same question here.

I rolled NU btw.
I should not partake in quizzes, although I can freely be chainleader as they don't actually partake in quizzes which makes my NU not matter.

TSE's recent question of "is this an all vanilla game?" makes even less sense when beeboy claimed Negative Utility out of the gate and discusses it on the first page.

Shouldn't we be controlling who that second-to-last person is?
Because if scum is third-to-last, controlling it means they don't get a chance to save a buddy, when that is a position where scum is highly likely to select a buddy.

In a Mini, is it typically still 3 scum or 4? How do so many people think that we'll be able to control that second-to-last let alone the rungs before that? Not to mention how often town mislynches on Day 1 anyways.

Additionally, are we operating under the assumption that the Day 1 chain leader is town?

I’m unsure on Farside Tbh.
Think they are scum.

How about this, TSE? What was shady about farside here? Are you feeling the same now?

@Raya, @Dunnstral wanna make a pact to get the chain to the 3 of us upon receiving it?

I town read both of you so yes I can make that pact

I feel like I missed this "pact" on my first read through. It's weird because I don't feel anything shady, but that's usually where I end up misreading someone hiding in plain sight as scum.


Also, farside's emojis get explained later. I still feel purposefully not interacting is anti-town, even if you deem someone a scum read, because others could learn/pick up something from the go-between.

[Starbuck]

Re-read Part 2, Page 6 to 10

Reading back through my back-and-forth with SirCakez, I'm still feeling he's shady. To me, and maybe someone else who isn't he or I can go back, he was grasping at straws because he didn't actually ask me WHY I felt that way. He just didn't like how I said it and that's what he harped on, and probably why I came off more defensive than I thought.

I'm concerned that he didn't want to investigate or question me as to the WHY more than the HOW. He wanted to just point his finger and force something where there wasn't anything. His continual push of it, in defending beeboy, feels like he's buddying up to beeboy given this post from beeboy much earlier:

lmao I am just memeing dw.

You, Cakez, Dunnstral and ABR are the players I trust from the pregame to preform well as town.

Looking at beeboy's 138 response again, I don't necessarily think what I said was scummy. I've already said it but I think organic conversation, rather than pushing it where you want it to go, is more beneficial at the end of the day. I thought we lost a good opportunity to scumhunt while folks figured out the best way to use the mechanic, rather than just lay a plan out for everyone to go "okay that sounds great." I would have looked for nuances in the conversations that would have played out.

Even after this disagreement, I don't think beeboy is scum as SirCakez kept trying to say to push on me.


Ahh, so this is why I was lost on unwnd. He replaced in.

Of course the 1 afk guy is the chainleader

Isn't that always how it goes?

Starbuck and Dunn are never wolf with Unwnd.

I missed this before. What are you saying here?

FoS Counter

midwaybear (3) - Raya, Beeboy, NDMath

unwnd(1) -

Farside

Pink Ball (1) -

Albert

SirCakez (1) -

NDMath

Starbuck (2) -

Beeboy, Farside

Seeing the FOS counter here, midwaybear has been flying under my radar. What am I missing on him?

I'm not trying to force something I'm trying to understand why you made that post the way you did.

Not the why behind my feelings on the subject at hand, the why behind "why I made the post the way I did."

If you think unwnd is poor scum, then shouldn't you have been happy cuz you caught scum. I agree that the outburst was pretty weird.

Again, I just think scum should play better then that as that play overall is garbage.
If they are Town, they need to step it up and not be Anti-Town.

Could that be a reason to believe that someone isn't scum?


Ahhh, I'm starting to see the universal town-read thing on Raya and why my response of choosing beeboy or her as who I'd past the chain seems like an easy choice. Maybe I need to create a ranking of everyone else again.

I’d like ABR to be chosen when there is only 4 to choose from and if he chooses Unwnd or Farside I’d lynch the other.

TBH, I could get behind this plan. I'm not too sure on Unwnd just yet because I feel you're slightly tunneling (at this point in my read).

However, ABR and farside are confounding me. I mean, they are both parroting each other saying that they expected me to be more lighthearted, but to be real, I expected folks I know to be a little more welcoming to me and less negative. So the tones, and personal slights in regards to farside, which they are taking with me are really throwing me off. I want to play, so bring game play at me.

If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be shading everyone and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

My concern about your push on unwnd all through page 9 is that they had barely been in the game for 12 hours as you're doing this. Maybe just be patient and give them time to respond? Ahh, look bottom of page 10, he says he was working. Woo-sah a bit, friend.

Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content

+1

[Starbuck]

And it's wack that Starbuck's top two SRs are both people who pushed her first.

You were buddying as all hell to beeboy and you're still doing it.


Also, where did ABR push me? Where is ABR's gameplay? Because he's just making noise right now.

He's my top TR, sue me.
ABR has called you scum a couple times iirc
I agree his lack of real gameplay is suspicious but I SRed him for the same thing in Guns and Roses and was wrong there so I'm hesitant.

He has, but this is how I picture him doing it.

[Starbuck]

I just read through all of that pretty quickly (pages exploded since I left this morning for a bit) and I don't have much time to do a thorough catch up. I'll be doing that tonight.

However

Approve Quiz Team

And the amount of ALL CAPS and aggressiveness isn't helping me change my mind on ABR.

[Starbuck]

starbuck is scum i guarantee it. Spring is on a massive power trip refusing to PASS THE CHAIN.

That's why you're mad about a "list full of scum" on the quiz team even though you've only been tunneling me? Right?

You make no sense.

[Starbuck]

Also, I'm going to go back through to finish my re-read and such, but of what I posted. I do have some questions for some of you, if you'd like to reply. Might be easier to find it in my ISO now.

[Starbuck]

If you're really town, I'll be looking forward to your apology.

[Starbuck]

I'm so fucking confused.

Go ahead and do what you need to do. Spring, I think ABR just tricked you and you made a really stupid move. That you'll probably regret.

I'm about to head out to the protest in town to support my friends and family of color, so I'm about to head out the door. In any case, I'm over the all-caps and being so rudely talked to, so I'm going to remove myself from the thread for the next few days because I'm starting to take it personally and that's not what I joined a game to feel. It's okay if you deem me scum, but there's still no valid case from ABR on me. I'm not that person who I was all the years back playing where I used to go on tirades and not really care what others felt.

Someone will probably call this AtE, but that's fine. I want to approach games from a game play standpoint vice just being mad because someone's being ultra over the top. So I feel it's best for me to step back for now and come back in a few days.

[Starbuck]

Going back to catch up, another quick response to SirCakez's 411...

ABR has called me scum a couple times, but has he backed it up with anything? Or are you just happy that he agrees with you? Whether you were wrong in a past game or not, you're totally okay with him shouting to the rooftops about me being scum with literally no case.

This is what troubles me about you. It's probably OMGUS, but whatever, you jump on me for not writing something how you would have preferred rather than actually talk to me about the WHY. Now, you're just happy to have ABR siding with you even though there's no substance from you or him regarding a case on me. So yeah, great game play boys.

@starbuck

Also, farside's emojis get explained later. I still feel purposefully not interacting is anti-town, even if you deem someone a scum read, because others could learn/pick up something from the go-between

I wanted to play with you. I think your scum so instead of attacking your post like I typically would I'm leaving you be but still scum reading you and reading your post.
For example you stated this.

However, ABR and farside are confounding me. I mean, they are both parroting each other saying that they expected me to be more lighthearted, but to be real, I expected folks I know to be a little more welcoming to me and less negative. So the tones, and personal slights in regards to farside, which they are taking with me are really throwing me off

Players can feel a certain way about players all the time. Many town read beeboy, some players find TSE attack going extreme and over the top. That isnt a reason to be suspicious of a player. Your point just reads as "omgus for think that about me"

I also believe you to be a better player then this to know the difference.

I wasn't trying to say that you can't feel what you feel. Just that I feel so misread and feel like I can't do anything about it. I've been contributing, I feel kinda settled in, I'm scumhunting, and working through figuring things out with everyone else. It's just not enough apparently.

I know how I've read as town and have, in the past, been mislynched because of it. If you noticed, I've been waffling on you because I've been trying to figure out whether you're being genuine town or just trying to find an easy push. I'm still unsure as of this post.



Page 18 is nothing but TSE trilling about some game not even on MS and spamming away. I'd really appreciate some kind of spam rule, as there's no reason for TSE to post 8 or 9 things one right after another. Someone said earlier that this was just TSE, but seriously, there's no need to clog the thread with this kind of thing.

The following is a scum scummy post made by Sage that game responding to my post:

“This post rubs me SO wrong right here. In essence it means absolutely nothing, imparts absolutely no insight. It's more of a call to attention like "hey look! I'm making pro town posts!" Chrome has been absolutely non-committal, and doesn't actually seem to be interested in putting themselves out there and committing to anything or anyone.

Most of their posts are just like this but this one really sets off alarms in my head, especially considering it's such a sly set-up to start a bandwagon on just about anyone who might take the bait. It's basically implying "if you vote faint, (or anyone else I can spin to be a 'safe lynch') you are scum, and I get to jump on you."

Making people afraid to engage, and discuss shit is classic scum behavior, or at the very least very poor town gameplay. We want people to be talking, especially day 1. Announcing to the world that you'll be watching and harrassing anyone who comments on a vote train is just beyond bad for town.“

Can you actually believe people call this town motivated LOL.

Many, many players say a post rubs them wrong or a post pings them. It is NAI. Also I find you bring other games into this and how great you are and showing off your record as bragging.
I don't see a point other wise. You say it once or twice to make a point to have players pay attention towards the end of the day, not in the middle and not constantly. Otherwise it just reads as filler bragging and in the end bs.

+1

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

My role forces me to always fail the quiz. It doesn't really matter if I full claim that part of my role I guess.

Yes, that's what I thought. I think your claim look legit so far. I'd like other player input on how likely beeboy is to be a ballsy fake claiming scum.

This is important. However, I think it speaks to him being town that he revealed. If he was scum, he'd have no reason to reveal.


And here we go on more TSE spam. Seriously, dude, condense your thoughts, please.

Moving to a new catch up post since I just got to spring's quiz reveal.

[Starbuck]

Here what I know about the team:

1) The quiz team size for tonight is 5 players.
2) All players on the quiz team get to pass or fail the quiz, by PM to the mod.
3) If the quiz is passed, town gain a unspecified advantage.
4) If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.
5) All quiz team member must pass the quiz, for the quiz to be passed.
6) If no quiz team can be formed, scum gain an unspecified advantage.

I voted to approve because given the above criteria, I am not giving scum any advantages and I really need to see that vote count of who voted against (aside from ABR throwing his tantrum and comparing me to Marie Antoinette). I also like this list (even with myself included) because it's full of level-headed players that aren't over the top incendiary.

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

+1 I'd also appreciate a breakdown of TSE.


And now we're getting into ABR's tantrum and authoritarianism. I thought he wanted a democracy?

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

why tse?

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

I dont give a single fuck about that! My scumhunting is so good i need a handicap!

He's so scum, it hurts me.

I don't know why ABR doesn't want to a possible garentee to his scum reads being put in the quiz.
I would love to know if I'm on the right track with Star or Raya.

How about if you don't like the propsal and I'm curious about Star we keep her, take out me and add cakez to the mix of SL's list.

In all honesty, I'm glad to be on a quiz team with you to prove you aren't on the right track and have a legit way to do it.

I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the chain leader.

No, the chain leader is bulletproof for the night. It's why it makes sense to me that spring put themselves on the quiz team. Why waste that?

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

Spring is the chain leader so I don’t see them changing it.

Spring is also bulletproof. If Spring is town, it makes total sense for them to put themselves on the quiz team for that reason alone.

[Starbuck]

If part of the quiz group is lynched, the quiz fails.

EVERYONE! IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER LYNCHING ONE OF THE PLAYERS ON LULLYS LIST TODAY YOU MUST VOTE NO TO THE CURRENT QUIZ TEAM

I WILL NOT GIVE LYNCH IMMUNITY TO SOME OF THE SCUMMIEST PLAYERS IN THIS GAME

REWORK YOUR PROPOSED TEAM BECAUSE I WILL MAKE SURE ONE OF THEM IS LYNCHED WHEN THE CHAIN IS PASSED TO ME

This a hard Claim?

/Deny Team

Oh wait, what? I missed that initially. Is Albert saying that he knows what the advantage is or that the quiz team would obviously not be lynched because the quiz would auto fail if someone was the lynch target? I thought he or beeboy mixed that up with the bulletproof for the chain leader in the opening post.

I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the team leader and the chain leader.

If we lynch them the quiz automatically fails.

Once we agree on the team, it means we don't lynch them. Anyone making this happen is scum.

You think very strangely.

This is what I was thinking as well. Quiz team members don't get lynched so we can make sure, on our end, that the quiz isn't auto-failed because we lost a member. I honestly just thought this was common sense? Only scum would want to lynch quiz team members.

So why the fuck should we approve a list of players we want to lynch?

So you have no other scum lead than starbuck?

Unwnd
Starbuck

My main scumreads right now.

This is different from the previous post that said he was unhappy about me, farside, and spring being on the quiz team.

@mod: can you clarify on how approving the quiz team works? Do you have to take it into account officially? If so, please do.

@farside, I don't really have definite read yet but I can commit on not wanting to lynch today: ABR, Farside, Starbuck, beeboy

Null: Raya, Dunnstral, Pink Ball, TSE

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

So is everyone in your “ok to lynch” your scum Reads?

I'm curious about the answer to this.

my reads are gonna change a lot day 1 so strap yourselves in

Change a lot from what? "STARBUCK IS SCUM" to "STARBUCK IS TOWN" ? Because you haven't expressed anything else until the quiz team was announced.

Starbuck remains assertively passive, in the sense she says things that seemingly hold a lot of weight but does nothing with it. I don't like it

Such as? You're doing a lot of talking, but you aren't really talking to me. So ask me questions, ask me to elaborate. Interact with me.

why can't we treat the quiz team and chain separately?

Because if we lynch a quiz team member, I'd assume the quiz would auto-fail as we wouldn't have enough people to make up the neighborhood that will be formed that night.

Youre scum Starbuck
Youre getting lynched one way or another
If youre on the quiz team we gonna fail this fucking quiz and ill make sure of it because in return we will see your scum head roll

PASS THE CHAIN SPRING

We won't be failing. Not on my account. So you really should turn your tunneling elsewhere to someone who's actually scum.

No, I'm putting up a quizz team without starbuck on it. You have zero reason to refuse.

You need to let the current quiz team fail first. If it fails, cool, then make a new one. If not, we roll with what we got and make sure all of our quiz team members are safe from the lynch.

As of this post, btw, spring has not approved or denied the team. How come?

[Starbuck]

Everyone lynch Starbuck, ABR softclaimed.

I'm still trying to figure out if he softclaimed or not. Spring's jump to saying he softclaimed and passing him the chain is suspect, especially if she's thinking he's scum.

On the other side, forcing him to play his hand with the chain is not a bad move either. It just happened so fast in a slew of posts yesterday that it seems not well thought out.

wtf are you guys talking about with the claims? You want a fucking claim from me? You ain't getting it.

He doesn't even know what spring is talking about.

SL: What is the proposed team? I think the first one needs to be denied completely first....idk

This was my assumption, too. The team being denied completely first.

I'm so fucking confused.

Go ahead and do what you need to do. Spring, I think ABR just tricked you and you made a really stupid move. That you'll probably regret.

I'm about to head out to the protest in town to support my friends and family of color, so I'm about to head out the door. In any case, I'm over the all-caps and being so rudely talked to, so I'm going to remove myself from the thread for the next few days because I'm starting to take it personally and that's not what I joined a game to feel. It's okay if you deem me scum, but there's still no valid case from ABR on me. I'm not that person who I was all the years back playing where I used to go on tirades and not really care what others felt.

Someone will probably call this AtE, but that's fine. I want to approach games from a game play standpoint vice just being mad because someone's being ultra over the top. So I feel it's best for me to step back for now and come back in a few days.

Why a stupid move? Are we assuming I'm town there? Great.

I'm not quite sure right now what you are. I'm hoping you're town.

Wow sure seems TSE shut his fucking zipper once he realized he didn't actually know what I was thinking this whole time!

I'm gonna x out before I lose my temper further

Remain me to quote something sage said.
They were like “the scum stopped talking or something and to not quote them for it”

How about you stop talking about a game that isn't even on this website? And focus on this one. That'd be great.

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

I would rather you just do you and fully justify it then sheep a read

how is that a sheep? I already explained why I TR her before.

I am saying your words mean nothing without action and if you want to pass it to Starbucks do it

Just a reminder, because you're constantly doing this, it's STARBUCK. No S. Chick from Battlestar Galactica, not the coffee shop. Please and thank you.

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I think the team is Farside, Unwnd and Spring.
I know I said this before but thought I’d just repeat myself to make it more clear.

Farside, ABR, NDMath
Is my tin foil right now.

This would explain the discrediting that I'm receiving from ABR and farside. Although, I'm starting to lean more town on farside.

I'm kinda sorry I caught you so fast ABR.

*ahem* You didn't catch nada.

No definitely abr and midway with that exchange. Not sure now and the 3rd. Still want to say tse.

I saw ABR in a rough spot with a low amount of players trusting him.
He saw a near death spot so he tossed the chain to someone who is being sussed but wasn't for sure dead yet. He wanted midway to either chain someone on his read list or a consensus read so he doesn't generate a town moment.

I thought ABR was trying to incriminate midway + gain leverage over a town player.
I liked the entire exchange from midway and hated most of the ABR content.

I dont see midway explaining his reasons for changing is reads well at all.
Town reads unwnd, sudden switch. Town reads star, sudden switch. Talks about giving star a chain, but has her listed as possible scum.
None of that makes sense.

I'm confused on this as well. He's been all over the place as I've been reading.

I had one silly question but it's a bit WIFOM.

Do you think ABR voted down the group because it's all town?

I was thinking about this very thing.

@Starbuck.
Raya is in the quiz group and can't be lynched, please pass her the chain.

This was my plan. I was keeping the quiz team in my notepad doc to tick off votes as I read just in case.

I want a new quiz team ASAP

Well, it's too late now because if I did my math correctly. Raya's "approve" vote on the previous page just hammered it.

Starbuck lynch I can support

Well, you aren't getting that today. Who else do you scum read besides your tunnel on me?

[Starbuck]

ABR has called me scum a couple times, but has he backed it up with anything? Or are you just happy that he agrees with you? Whether you were wrong in a past game or not, you're totally okay with him shouting to the rooftops about me being scum with literally no case.

This is what troubles me about you. It's probably OMGUS, but whatever, you jump on me for not writing something how you would have preferred rather than actually talk to me about the WHY. Now, you're just happy to have ABR siding with you even though there's no substance from you or him regarding a case on me. So yeah, great game play boys.

I'm not even satisfied with ABR's push on you, it doesn't have substance like you said. And I don't have a TR on ABR really. The initial thing I said was that ABR is pushing on you and you're SRing him for it. Can you deny that?

No, I wasn't scumreading him for that, which just goes to show that you haven't been paying attention. I was, and am still scumreading him, for lack of substance from the very beginning. Call me scum all you want, but provide context.

You know who provided context? Farside. You know you didn't? ABR. Hence, my focus and scumread on him.

[Starbuck]

*You know who didn't

Dammit, I'd just like my catch up to be done.


Also....VOTE: Raya

I'd like our quiz team safe and sound, thank you.

[Starbuck]

2) The Chainleader will be bulletproof for the night and cannot be the chain leader on consecutive days.

Uh actually I am asking the mod, I might be misreading this.

You would be safe N2, if you're chain leader tomorrow. spring has bulletproof tonight as I said in my catch up posts above.

[Starbuck]

Here what I know about the team:

1) The quiz team size for tonight is 5 players.
2) All players on the quiz team get to pass or fail the quiz, by PM to the mod.
3) If the quiz is passed, town gain a unspecified advantage.
4) If the quiz is failed, scum gain a unspecified advantage.
5) All quiz team member must pass the quiz, for the quiz to be passed.
6) If no quiz team can be formed, scum gain an unspecified advantage.

I voted to approve because given the above criteria, I am not giving scum any advantages and I really need to see that vote count of who voted against (aside from ABR throwing his tantrum and comparing me to Marie Antoinette). I also like this list (even with myself included) because it's full of level-headed players that aren't over the top incendiary.

I wanted to stay out of the unwnd/tse back and forth because as a player I personally don't like TSE play style. So i feel bias.
I wanted a second opinion from a few other whom maybe knows him better and maybe put a brief pause on the antagonism.
So for anyone who know tse is it like him to find everything little thing a player say as scummy?
Example is post 492 about unwnd listing 3 players and tse calling it a scum slip when other players have listed 2-4 players when asked.

+1 I'd also appreciate a breakdown of TSE.


And now we're getting into ABR's tantrum and authoritarianism. I thought he wanted a democracy?

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

why tse?

Why not me? Why not Raya? Why not Dunn?

Why not unwnd? Why not ND? Why not midway?

You say a lot but you don't give your whys.

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

I dont give a single fuck about that! My scumhunting is so good i need a handicap!

He's so scum, it hurts me.

I don't know why ABR doesn't want to a possible garentee to his scum reads being put in the quiz.
I would love to know if I'm on the right track with Star or Raya.

How about if you don't like the propsal and I'm curious about Star we keep her, take out me and add cakez to the mix of SL's list.

In all honesty, I'm glad to be on a quiz team with you to prove you aren't on the right track and have a legit way to do it.

I dont think the team gets lynch immunity its only the chain leader.

No, the chain leader is bulletproof for the night. It's why it makes sense to me that spring put themselves on the quiz team. Why waste that?

deny it boys this is a bad team

It's a great way to use some scum hunting in a whole other way.
So why deny it?
I just thought of 2 good ways it works.

I dont want farside or starbuck or slringlullaby on the quiz team

Spring is the chain leader so I don’t see them changing it.

Spring is also bulletproof.

If Spring is town

, it makes total sense for them to put themselves on the quiz team for that reason alone.

Doesn’t matter if Spring Is Town or Scum.
It’s the same result.
Why are you bringing that up?

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Do we really want spring to be leader? But on the other hand, can't scum always just NK the nominated chain leader so technically spring could always be leader. That would sorta be broken because if spring was scum, she would be untouchable.

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Yes but what effectively do those catchups do? My bias may be in play but when I'm scum and I have nothing to talk about (see: hard to fake enthusiasm) I'll just cover myself by talking about multiple things even if they don't mean anything in the long run. It's just little things I notice. There's a cursory glance here and there from Starbuck but you're right the only thing certain about her posts is that she doesn't like ABR.

[Starbuck]

OMG, I gathered all my quotes and accidentally hit reply. Hang on.

Fuck me.

[Starbuck]

Doesn’t matter if Spring Is Town or Scum.
It’s the same result.
Why are you bringing that up?

Why doesn't it matter? If spring is scum, they'll fail the quiz and give scum a leg up. They could also pass as scum to gain trust and bus. I'm not sure how I feel on spring because there's been some questionable actions from their direction. I'm not ruling out that they could be overwhelmed from being chainleader, but it is curious by any means.

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

That's kind of my goal when I catch up or I go back and do a re-read. I try to gleam what I may have missed the first time around. I feel much better after my re-read a few days ago and now with my catch up today. Do you need some examples of my past games where I had mega catch ups or anything? I think the majority are still in my Wiki if you need something to compare to.

Do we really want spring to be leader? But on the other hand, can't scum always just NK the nominated chain leader so technically spring could always be leader. That would sorta be broken because if spring was scum, she would be untouchable.

I feel like you didn't read the rules.

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Yes but what effectively do those catchups do? My bias may be in play but when I'm scum and I have nothing to talk about (see: hard to fake enthusiasm) I'll just cover myself by talking about multiple things even if they don't mean anything in the long run. It's just little things I notice. There's a cursory glance here and there from Starbuck but you're right the only thing certain about her posts is that she doesn't like ABR.

My guess is you haven't read a word that I've written or seen that I have questions for multiple people in those posts. For all that I haven't liked about him, SirCakez actually found my questions for him and responded. I, even in years past, try to condense multi-page catch ups into one bigger post rather than spam everyone.

In all actuality, though, I usually feel a lot better of knowing the goings-on after a big catch up like I did today (which took me the better part of 2-2.5 hours mind you) than when I'm in the midst of a back and forth keyboard war.

[Starbuck]

Pass it to PB or myself because if you pass it to beeboy he'll give to TSE and then he'll kill me because he's scum

Also I’m pretty sure I’m not your only scum read.
So I suppose your other scum Reads have already been chosen to be safe no?

I'm his other one.

[Starbuck]

Post your lynch pool guys.

-Albert B Rampage
-TSE
-Starbuck

Ok.
So yeah, other then me all his scum Reads are “Safe” this round.
Figured that was the case.

Can you explain how they are safe?

Starbuck has been getting a mix of scum and town reads and ABR wasn't getting scumreads until recently if I recall correctly?

We are safe because we already have the chain. Save for TSE.

[Starbuck]

I skim through it. I don't think I have the time to read every single detail therefore I'm saving myself trouble.

Based on the person you seem to be you seem ready for any response. This gives me pause. I don't know much how...natural? Your catchups seem. Walls of text have to be parsed through. You agree with me stating that going back and forth in keyboard wars. It just seems however that a lot of your 'keyboard wars' are heavily reactionary. I won't sit here and lie to you that I fully get what you and farside were beefing about early. I do now however it happened and now it seems like that's all it was. It happened and now we're here.

I can't really help you if you don't have the time to read. In all actuality, I don't feel like I'm ready for any response, but I try to take in what I can and try to understand the different goings-on to both help the town, as well as myself, further down the line if I live long enough. There's a lot to remember in these games and I like to make sure that I put down what I'm thinking, even if others think it mundane. If I die somewhere along the way, and someone that I FOS'd while I was alive goes under pressure later, I hope when town re-reads that they'd see where I pointed out issues earlier in the game to help them with their case.

What I meant in regards to keyboard wars is that of posting in real-time. Like what was happening on, I think, Saturday when there were a ton of our players online at the same time and pages kept passing by as I was trying to catch up.

Why doesn't it matter? If spring is scum, they'll fail the quiz and give scum a leg up. They could also pass as scum to gain trust and bus. I'm not sure how I feel on spring because there's been some questionable actions from their direction. I'm not ruling out that they could be overwhelmed from being chainleader, but it is curious by any means.

What do you think is questionable?

I didn't like how you just threw the chain at ABR amidst all of the back and forth on Saturday. I know we have a majority of town players to rely on, but you just seemed to reward him for his bullying and distraction and that's not optimal play to me. You fed into that distraction with the whole "ABR softclaimed" thing. The only reason I'd see you succumbing to that (when you had a whole quiz team of people to pass the chain to) is because he's your buddy and you'd be worried that he didn't get the chain further down the line. His lack of noise again is just adding to that for me.

And now, with you outing your neighborhood, when we've already had one reveal today really makes no sense unless you really want folks to put PB at the bottom of the chain. I really need to read him in ISO because I'm still rather null on his slot, but you aren't making moves that make sense as town for me. It concerns me because what if whatever random roll that Maria used gave chain leader to scum and now you're orchestrating not only failing the quiz (by putting yourself on it) but also orchestrating the NK because you'll be part of the chain leader vote on the quiz team.

My concerns will be addressed tonight once we get on the quiz team and see what happens. So I'm looking forward to being insanely right or insanely wrong.

[Starbuck]

Actually he didn't deny it - he danced around the idea of denying it but never voted, and I think that looks worse

+1 . I was about to go back and look for his vote, thank you.

@Raya: I would rather you did not pass to cakez.

+1

When is it appropriate for town power roles to claim to avoid being lynched?

Closer to the bottom of the chain. It's way too early for a claim.

I'm honestly not super happy with the pool that's left. Beeboy obviously doesn't flip scum but they should be here for that reason. I don't want to see PB or SirCakez lynched. I actually think the Unwnd vs TSE has high potential to be TvS though and I think we're most likely to hit scum between them and I think Beeboy or PB should choose based on what majority have asked for. Then SirCakez who I town read can choose between Beeboy and PB deciding the lynch.

I was thinking something like this:

Raya > SirCakez > PB/Beeboy > PB/Beeboy > TSE/Unwnd

Cakez needs to be in the bottom two with Unwnd. I think my beef with TSE is playstyle and am willing to trust those I read as town reading him as town. At this point, you should really pass to TSE or I should have passed to TSE to prevent this, but safeguarding the quiz team was more important.

[Starbuck]

^^^ I was getting to that. See above.

[Starbuck]

Now, I'm concerned with ABR agreeing with me. So I don't know anymore.

Farside, help.

[Starbuck]

I didn't like how you just threw the chain at ABR amidst all of the back and forth on Saturday. I know we have a majority of town players to rely on, but you just seemed to reward him for his bullying and distraction and that's not optimal play to me. You fed into that distraction with the whole "ABR softclaimed" thing. The only reason I'd see you succumbing to that (when you had a whole quiz team of people to pass the chain to) is because he's your buddy and you'd be worried that he didn't get the chain further down the line. His lack of noise again is just adding to that for me.

And now, with you outing your neighborhood, when we've already had one reveal today really makes no sense unless you really want folks to put PB at the bottom of the chain. I really need to read him in ISO because I'm still rather null on his slot, but you aren't making moves that make sense as town for me. It concerns me because what if whatever random roll that Maria used gave chain leader to scum and now you're orchestrating not only failing the quiz (by putting yourself on it) but also orchestrating the NK because you'll be part of the chain leader vote on the quiz team.

My concerns will be addressed tonight once we get on the quiz team and see what happens. So I'm looking forward to being insanely right or insanely wrong.

Starbuck, this looks a bit like pre-preemptively criticizing me for a failed quiz and setting a mislynch.
I'm town, I did my best.

I tossed ABR the chain because I really thought he was breadcrumbing something with his Marie-Antoinette stuff for a moment there, he confirmed he was not: hence he is scum.
And honestly, I kinda enjoyed the fuck you, now what of it. You think of it as succumbing, in my mind it was more like "here bitch, let's see what you are made of".

Also, look at him fanning for more fire on the sideline: you think he is town?


I think it's starting to be disingenuous of you to be setting me up as potential mislynch if the quiz fail: you have approved of the quiz team without voicing any of those concerns. Don't you agree?

I didn't quite put it together until this morning. I spent the majority of my day catching up yesterday.

I'm trying to be prepared for a world in which you are scum. It's an important thing to take into consideration, especially given your actions surrounding ABR. What did you think he was breadcrumbing? Because as far as I see it, no one else picked up on anything in that post.

If you're asking me if I think ABR is town, maybe you should have been more involved in the game and before swooping in with quiz team rules and the chain.

I'm not setting you up for anything. I'm calling it how I see it and I don't trust you. The passing or failing of the quiz tonight should give us some good information and if displaying my feelings here leads to my potential NK or lynch, so be it. I'll be fine knowing that I did what I could for the town.

I approved the quiz team because of the rules that you set and from re-reading the game rules more than once. You still could not be telling us the whole story and I'm allowed to be critical until our neighborhood tonight proves me right or wrong.

[Starbuck]

Raya > TSE > PB > Beeboy > Unwnd/SirCakez

^ This was the OG plan btw if I am not mistaken ^

I mean I think we need to brain dive why we want to give it to PB before we move on.

@Squad Why is PB town.
@Dunnstral and whoever else has spoken against him why isn't PB town?

I'm okay with this plan, but I want you and PB reversed. Most everyone feels you're universal town, we're not going to learn much if you make that last choice. Hell, you might not even choose PB. I know for me that PB is still quite on the null side for me and I'd be interested in seeing who he chooses between Unwnd and SirCakez.

On the same side, I'd like to see TSE get the chain from here because I want to see if he'd stay true to his word.

[Starbuck]

Oh so if I choose it's on me? I don't have to listen your opinions?

I mean, you could listen, but you don't have to.

[Starbuck]

I think the pass/fail of the quiz is going to prove if we have scum or not. If you're scum, you have no reason to pass the quiz. Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

[Starbuck]

Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

Why not approving my own scum team makes me scummy?

Because you said in your post that town has no reason not to approve. So you should have immediately voted to approve it.

You had a vote and you didn't use it.

[Starbuck]

Why would you willingly give an advantage to town, especially when you didn't even vote to approve your own quiz team?

Why not approving my own scum team makes me scummy?

Because you said in your post that town has no reason not to approve. So you should have immediately voted to approve it.

You had a vote and you didn't use it.

I didn't know I could approve my own team.
When it was pointed out to me, I didn't see a point to it.

Anyway, it's more useful to see who would approve of the team, since myself nominating it implies that I approve of my own team. Don't you agree?

You just needed to look at any of the vote counts from the mod to see that you had a vote.

Chain Order 1.4

springlullaby

(5)

- springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath

Chainless:

(8)

- SirCakez, Raya36, Starbuck, Pink Ball, farside22, unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, , beeboy

Quiz Team 1.4

Proposed Team

(5)

-

Springlullaby, farside, Starbuck, Raya36, Dunnstral

Approve

(6)

- Farside22, beeboy, midwaybear, Starbuck, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, L-1

Decline

(4)

- Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, NDmath, unwnd,

Not voting:

(3)

- SirCakez, Raya36, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-09 23:03:21)

[Starbuck]

I'm curious why if spring said all town had no reason not to approve why spring didn't approve if they are town. Why wouldn't you want to guarantee your own quiz team?

[Starbuck]

The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

Your list is wonky, farside. I gave it to Raya.

[Starbuck]

I'm aware

It's okay. I'll accept apologies from you and ABR if you're both town. No hard feelings, pinky swear.

I will also wholeheartedly apologize to you at the start of Day 2 if you flip town.

[Starbuck]

You just needed to look at any of the vote counts from the mod to see that you had a vote.

I didn't. And when it was pointed out to me, I didn't see the need to hammer my own team because, as said, it's more useful for me to see who'd approve/disapprove. Plus I don't see how you would think my nomination of the team is me implicitly approving of it.

I don't like this line of accusation because it's disingenuous. You essentially approved a team I nominated, then turned back to accuse me of nominating it.

I also have trouble following your reads: who do you think is town/scum atm?

I did approve the team, but you should have approved. If you're town and you're nominating the team, your vote goes on that approve list. It's like not voting yourself for President. Why would you go through all the trouble of a campaign to abstain? Makes no sense.

The fact you didn't do that after saying that scum would gain an advantage is suspect. It's easy to sit back and say what's useful to you now. What would have been useful to me, and maybe others, was you voting for your own quiz team when you had the ability to do so.

[Starbuck]

Well it maybe PB making the choice. Where do you stand with the final 5 choices in line for who should be at the bottom 2?

I would prefer a PB/TSE final two

Just putting the one Cakez stated.

Yeah there is at Minimum 1 scum within You, Unwnd and Cakez if not all of you are the scum Open Wolfing because your scared of me.

Yeah, throw in Starbuck in there as well. TSE = town.

I have the chain. Pay attention.

[Starbuck]

Hey TSE

U were wrong

Lick my cock and my balls, start with the shaft first

This is not good sportsmanship. Knock it off.

[Starbuck]

@starbuck what is the scum motivation in not voting your own quiz team

To stay under the radar.

[Starbuck]

Also, could you give a list of your read please?

Missed this before. Wrapping up some stuff at work, but quoting so I answer it when I come back.

[Starbuck]

Holy hell, what happened to this thread? It's a Monday! Why are there so many pages?

FFS.

I'll be back in awhile. Need to read.

[Starbuck]

Also, could you give a list of your read please?

Missed this before. Wrapping up some stuff at work, but quoting so I answer it when I come back.

As of this moment......without reading the added comments since Post 1216

Town
beeboy

Leaning Town
farside
Raya
TSE
Dunnstral

Null
Pink Ball
NDMath (where the hell is he btw?)
midway
unwnd

Leaning Scumz
spring

Scumz
ABR
SirCakez

[Starbuck]

Okay, just got to Unwnd's claim. Ummm, WHAT IN THE HELL has been happening since I was at work? FFS.

So are we revealing every Power Role today or what? Goodness, y'all. Keep it in your pants, it's only Day 1.

Well looks like I start working again tomorrow.

Hallelujah! I kid, I kid.

@farside, beeboy, starbuck what do you think of the claim after that quote from the mod?

He can manipulate a vote to his advantage. I don't see that being beneficial as a town role because you don't know who the scum are.

I'm probably overthinking this, but what if it's not a change of a vote but a block so it fails? That would make more sense than a no-notification vote change.

TSE caught her first

+1

The team is Unwnd, Farside and Starbuck/SirCakez

It isn't me, but thank you, try again.

I think PBall is increasingly TMI. I think ABR could be bussing Starbuck. There are too many unknown variables that frustrate me and it's impossible to get really decipher them because the thread lacks discretion

I ain't riding no bus with ABR.

To answer spring's question something like PBall/ABR/Starbuck/??? with ??? being one of midway/NDMath/Raya, and that variable becomes way more important if Starbuck is town

You should consider the idea of me being town sooner rather than later. It'll save you heartache in the end.


Finally Raya passes the chain. Thank you for NOT passing to SirCakez.

[Starbuck]

The thread opened on the overnight and I'm catching up.

First and foremost, I owe an apology to SirCakez for misreading him and the fact that we are TvT. Try not to get caught up on the little details of the way someone wrote a sentence, rather than the why behind the sentiment.

I submitted my pass on the quiz and voted for unwnd.

The chainleader votes in order were

spring --> beeboy
farside --> unwnd
Dunn --> unwnd
Raya -- > unwnd (HAMMER)
Me --> unwnd

OK I'm running on the logic the team officially doesnt fucking know what they're doing

The thought was the plan to give to beeboy was out in the open and, for me, I felt that giving it to beeboy, we wouldn't learn much. If we gave it to you, we could learn something, as well as protect a possible town PR.

ABR you can't sit here and say that part of what happened last phase was a bit of your fault? The moment we started haphazardly throwing the chain around is the moment me and cakez both got down to the bottom two. I'm not gonna chainsit but I need a few things before I pass it.

Oh, I hold him in much responsibility for the rush through of yesterday. Please take your time.

I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Someone in spring, Dunn, or Raya

People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO

My issue with the Spring in the Quiz PT is that I had cracked a joke about how ABR and others' heads would spin if I was given chainleader and that it'd be entertaining. I didn't want chainleader and I still don't want it, FYI.

spring took that joke and went diving down a rabbit hole citing that she was trying to explore the angle, but at the end of the day, it was a joke. I was being flippant and farside knew I was being flippant and spring took it hella seriously like she was trying to build a case. On top of that, she tried to call me out for ad hominem when I was describing her actions and not angling things personally. It was weird and I'm still not understanding the motive.

@Dunnstral what were the rewards for succeeding and failing the quiz?

Reward: Town gets a JoaT
Fail: Mafia gets a JoaT

It wasn't specified who specifically got it, or what the powers were. I pointed out that if the quiz passes, town also got a confirmed town player

+1

spring is the worst leader of all time,

scum were chuckling at her incompetencr in the pt

.

Pass me the chain already we are wasting time

What's the bold about?

Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason
See above for votes, my fellow members can verify.

We had to PM our pass to the mod.

[Starbuck]

Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason

Fixed last quote.

See above for votes, my fellow members can verify.

We had to PM our pass to the mod.

[Starbuck]

Did that close the PT?

No.

It seemed like the mod went by the timer.

Spring is absolutely terrible. Misled the entire town, selfishly, and shot town right in the nuts.

I'm pretty much at this point with spring, too.

I was looking at everything as a whole.
Starbuck has the highest chance to be scum then anyone else.
They have way too many scum pairings.

I really don't, but I realize my chance of being the mislynch today and I'm settled with it. At least we won't be losing a Town PR if I die.

Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

It's in my first post in this Day before I saw you ask for it, fyi.

I don't think ABR has a read progression on me that makes sense. On day 1 they call me scum for basically no reason at all that I can see, now when the quiz has failed (I was on the team) it's Farside/Starbuck instead?

Is everyone gaslighted by the fact that ABR was on me all of yesterday?

Now, I could be wrong - between You, Spring, and Starbuck, I think Starbuck was behaving oddly in the pt - it's like she was pushing spring in advance, knowing that the quiz would fail - though why scum would do that IDK.

I feel like you missed my back and forth with spring yesterday before we even got to the Quiz PT. spring has been frustrating the hell out of me.

I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

Apologizes if this wasn't clear, but I want to clarify how the 'Chainelader being bulletproof works.'
When someone becomes chainleader they are bulletproof for the night they become it not the night after.
So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4

and day 5.

Not Day 5 and night 5.

Because there is the possibility for daykills.

[Starbuck]

My next concern is maybe they didn't understand that the leader is bulletproof the night they get it. Which means they shot at Unwnd and were hoping the chain would go back to their scum buddy Spring.

This is a fantastic point for why folks wanted it to go to beeboy and why spring would have voted for beeboy.

i cant believe this terrible bullshit. We need to lynch midway, farside, starbuck. STARTING WITH STARBUCK

We start with midway

Midway wasn't a part of the failed quiz

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.
Math and Beeboy are also close to that.

You can't just start calling folks confirmed when they aren't confirmed. It doesn't work that way.

[Starbuck]

Anyone who suggests to be put on the team is not getting on the team for tonight

You do you, boo.

[Starbuck]

^^ Wut?

[Starbuck]

@Dunnstral how quick was the hammer?
Is Raya's "I ignored the pedit" story believable from your perspective of being their?

From someone not of those two, it was within the same minute by the timestamp.

[Starbuck]

I love how so many of you are resigned to my mislynch that no one is talking to me.

Sigh.

[Starbuck]

I've been reading your posts

I've been reading your posts

^

I don't see you dying and I don't want to kill you.
So I am sort of just reading your posts, nodding and moving on.

Well, that's good to know. I get worried when there's no interaction, like being written off, I guess.

I love how so many of you are

resigned to my mislynch

that no one is talking to me.

Sigh.

Elaborate on Bolded and explain why you used that context.

Why? Because I called it in the Quiz PT. Between the folks who have been screaming about me being scum and my TvT with SirCakez. Figured folks would be clamoring to put me at the bottom of the chain.

I mean, TSE, you've barely spoken to me and all of a sudden I'm on your radar? What gives?

[Starbuck]

Seems odd that of all people she was the one who immediately started scumhunting within our 5. (Referring to the interaction with SB and also talking about her read on farside)

This is why I brought up that the tone of the whole Quiz PT changed the moment that spring entered the room with all her doom and gloom. It was such an odd way to enter a PT with people who you picked because you felt they were town.

or are we recycling from the failed quiz?

I'd be okay recycling to anybody but spring.

@farside she asked me about my read on midwaybear and then asked me about unwnd but not explicitly stating that he was being voted

I had asked if it was against site rules if she could relay what you said because then we'd effectively have a 6th voice to consider (even though you didn't have a vote).

Pink, what is your read on spring?

[Starbuck]

Someone doesn't want to discuss anything other them them being safe or getting the chain.......i think it starts with a player named albert....last name scum

[Starbuck]

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint

Technically, we can't. Unwnd already said it's 4 people.

I don't want to see spring back on a quiz, especially with that vote for beeboy and whole thing surrounding that if beeboy died, then spring would get it back.

[Starbuck]

With the above in mind why don't we make the quiz the exact same 5 people? Then if the quiz passes we know everyone on it is town. If it fails again then we know it's extremely unlikely that the problem was scum tampering and we actually do have scum in the quiz. Making a whole new quiz team likely lands scum in the quiz anyway. I think this is the best strategy from a solving standpoint

Technically, we can't. Unwnd already said it's 4 people.

I don't want to see spring back on a quiz, especially with that vote for beeboy and whole thing surrounding that if beeboy died, then spring would get it back.

Ok then to compromise on the plan why don't we make it me, you, Dunn, farside? Then we'll know for sure if one of us is scum. Because I doubt the quiz will be tampered with twice. It would have to be a 1 shot to be fair

I'd be down, but at the end of the day, it's all up to Unwnd. We have to see what he does. I think he already said that he wasn't taking suggestions, so he might screw the pooch on any ideas that we've had thus far.

[Starbuck]

Reading back in our Quiz PT in regards to who said pass or fail....

spring in their first post said "I PM'd" not "I PM'd my pass"

I confirmed that I PM'd my pass

Dunn confirmed that he pm'd his pass

farside confirmed her pass

Raya confirmed her pass


Spring was the only one that didn't say that they PM'd their "pass". If Raya, Dunn, and farside would like to verify. It's all on the first page.

[Starbuck]

I have played games (mostly when the View Askew Board was active) where there are lie detectors. When I have to submit an action in secret, I make sure that I write my confirmation how I'd expect a lie detector to grab it and use their power to verify it.

You didn't do that.

All 4 of us explicitly said that we "PM'd our pass." Why wouldn't you say that you passed it?

[Starbuck]

PB, what's your read on spring?

[Starbuck]

I think we should talk about whom we would like to see as the bottom 2.
I say abr (who is being replaced apparently) and mid or spring

I'd be for ABR and Spring at this point.

[Starbuck]

You know, I could go with NDMath, too. I keep forgetting about him.

[Starbuck]

And you were talking about using ad hominem? How rude.

[Starbuck]

And you were talking about using ad hominem? How rude.

I asked her if she minded.
Do you have a point Starbuck beside ad hominem?

I mistyped. I meant to say "And you were talking about me using ad hominem?"

The "How old are you?" isn't needed or appropriate.

I don't like your rudeness. Hence, why I haven't been responding to you.

[Starbuck]

I just keep poking at you to see if I can change my views about your alignment and take my negative thoughts out. You make it very difficult to do so.

Welcome to my world.

[Starbuck]

This is how I view spring, FYI.

[Starbuck]

Again, what ad hom? I'm specifically referring to your actions in game. Not you as a person. You really need to look it up.

[Starbuck]

And what the gif is illustrating is that I think you're flailing. Again, an attack on your game play and not on you as a person. Like I said in the Quiz PT, I'm not attacking you by saying that your guilty pleasure is MMMBop on repeat. I'm solely pointing out issues in what you are saying about the game and how you are acting in the game.

I'm not attacking you like ABR went after me. You're scummy and you're continuing to be scummy and you aren't changing my mind by continuing to act so infantile.

[Starbuck]

what happened in the PT? Can someone give an unfiltered unbiased summary?
I've heard stuff about Raya hammering unwnd, and now stuff about spring.

I had made a joke about things being entertaining if I had been chosen as chainleader. Spring took that joke and just severely overreacted to the point of distraction about it. It got to the point where even Dunn asked me what my intentions were and I had none. I just didn't know why Spring was stuck on such an insignificant thing. Unless she was trying to drive home a mislynch on me today? I don't know, but it definitely hasn't pulled me back to having her as a town read.

farside had even said something to spring before I got back to the thread, regarding me joking, because farside knew I was being flippant.

It was weird because we were having a great back and forth trying to discuss who would be best to choose as the next chainleader, and spring came into the thread (much like she did on Day 1 after being absent from the thread for ages) and the feel of the thread went from quite jovial to quite contentious very fast.

[Starbuck]

Then there's the whole her just nonstop accusing me of ad hominem when I'm not attacking her personally. I'm discussing her actions within the thread, which is fair game. I don't have anything personal against spring, but she's ultra defensive and acting so weird. I can't figure it out.

[Starbuck]

Oh so this ad hominem shit had nothing to do with me but I was included because of spring's tunnel on me. Ok, nothing to see here.

I had asked in the Quiz PT if spring could relay your thoughts and she started building a case, even saying that you're a manipulative scum player and that your USER NAME is even manipulative because she thinks you chose your user name to influence the games you are in.

There's so much reaching and flailing with her. I don't know what to do with it.

[Starbuck]

An open question: If spring is scum do you think she tries to sneak a scum member in unnoticed? I've touched on this topic but I'm not getting many hits. Probably twice now?

I might have missed it. I apologize. It wouldn't surprise me, but as of right now, I'm really feeling scum on anyone in our group but her. However, the one redeeming thing is that there wasn't a kill last night. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on spring, but she's not making it easy.

Also, at the end of the day, unwnd, I wanted to give you chainleader so you would do what you want with it. Consider everyone's points, but do what you want and what you feel is best. If that means you recycle some from our group, cool. If not, no worries. We'll learn something either way.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

Why did you not put beeboy in there?

I dig it, Unwnd. Thank you for leaving off ABR's slot.

[Starbuck]

I hit quote on the wrong thing again, sorry.

[Starbuck]

unwnd please put me in for pinkball
I'm desperate to be neighborized

Umm why?

[Starbuck]

All we have to do is wait for the mod to do a vote count. If it isn't the correct size, I'm sure the mod would let us know there.

[Starbuck]

Why is TSE assuming that Unwnd is going to pass him the chain? Like his general not paying attention to the game state is odd.

[Starbuck]

Oh so this ad hominem shit had nothing to do with me but I was included because of spring's tunnel on me. Ok, nothing to see here.

I had asked in the Quiz PT if spring could relay your thoughts and she started building a case, even saying that you're a manipulative scum player and that your USER NAME is even manipulative because she thinks you chose your user name to influence the games you are in.

There's so much reaching and flailing with her. I don't know what to do with it.

I don't know why she got that perception of me. I'm adorable.

And yeah she told me about that thing about my username lol

Yeah, so again, I don't get her constant overreactions to things that don't affect the game state. I'm literally just recalling some of the inane things she's been bringing up. It's just been one after another after another and there doesn't seem to be a coherent thought within any of it.

I'm almost wondering if she's at the point of overthinking everything (if she really is considering folks' user names as being manipulative) that she's just frustrating herself. I know that's probably putting me on the brink of being accused of ad hominem AGAIN. But it's just the way of it. Her consistent distractions aren't helping.

In any case, we all know my position here and we should focus on fleshing out this Quiz Team discussion.

[Starbuck]

Well thank goodness I'm not on the scum team.

You have all these "this, this, this, and this will happen when Starbuck flips scum" but Starbuck flipping ain't flipping scum. So what's your plan when I flip town, TSE?

Also, it's real strange that you ignored me for the majority of Day 1 and all of a sudden on Day 2, I exist to you now?

[Starbuck]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

[Starbuck]

Calm your ovaries lady.

Also, I wouldn't accept this from a dude and I will not accept this from another woman. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You can't sit and complain about toxicity and ad hominem when you're the one who's bringing it to the table.

[Starbuck]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

I think it’s more like

“Not care because your scum”
Like as scum you honestly wouldn’t care because you want to get as many mislynches as possible.

Don't put words in my mouth. If you noticed in my opening post on this Day, I apologized to SirCakez for being wrong about him. I also mentioned it in my first post in the Quiz PT that I owed him an apology for being wrong. So don't put words in my mouth. I back up what I say I'll do.

[Starbuck]

I went to go read NDMath in ISO to see if I can't get a better feel for him and dude only has 14 posts in the game out of 80 something pages now. That's blowing my mind.

Anyways, some questions and observations for you, ND, if you would be so kind:

I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.

Have these reads changed any? If so, why?

I appreciated your response to me RE: TSE and his spam in 305. You were one of the only people to answer that question for me and helped put me on the path to keeping TSE at null/leaning town for the most part, so far. I'm trying not to get caught up thinking he's scum due to his playstyle being quite abrasive, even though he's screaming my name from the rooftops now.

In that same post, you quoted ABR asking for a lynch pool and you listed - "unwnd, sircakez, starbuck, midway." Can you give your reasons for who you listed then, if that list has changed, and why?


You voted to deny yesterday's quiz based on.....

My opinion is that we should wait to decide quiz until we have only 3-4 people unchained so we don't have unnatural hangproofs.

You obviously don't feel the same today because you already voted to approve. Did that change because you're on the quiz team or for other reasons?

I do think you following with the plan, and giving the chain to farside, gives you town points. You could have just done whatever you wanted, but you acted on behalf of the greater good.

I believe the claim. I don't see what was wrong with it beyond weird phrasing.

It's interesting because you put Unwnd in your lynch pool, but then came out believing his claim. There's been quite a bit of questioning surrounding his claim from those I view as town and those I view as scum. What was it about it that made you think he was genuine?


Moving onto Day 2....

My biggest scumread is Albert. I don't see town asking for an entirely new group since then it'll just fail to a different scum. And overall his attitude about the game doesn't come off as natural.
Of the people on the quiz I scumread starbuck, but that read isn't really compatible with the Albert one.

Albert was no where mentioned in your posts on Day 1. Why the sudden change? I'm not so worried about me, as you mentioned me above, and I hope you give insight to your reads.

If I ever claim to do something like that, know with certainty that I'm scum.

I appreciate this.

[Starbuck]

Okay, midway, your turn! Same thing, going through your ISO like I did with ND's to see if I can get a better read. Questions/observations below, if you would be so kind to answer.

i wonder where spring is at. But I guess it doesn't really matter because we won't be passing the chain until we're (semi)confident.

This is kind of a weird statement to make barely 3 pages and 12 hours into game. Only because the game thread was opened on the overnight at like 10:30 pm (my time) on the 26th and this posted just about 12 hours later in the middle of a weekday (or work day for most). I don't see anything inherently bad with the wondering where spring was, it's more the addendum afterwards for me. Either you were actually concerned or you were trying to distance early. I'm not sure which yet.

It will be important to have players that are strongly town read to take the quiz but don't fail at quizes.

wdym mean by the "don't fail at quizzes part". Are you suggesting putting in scumread members to see if the quiz ends up passing or failing? This might not be good because some scum are really good at being townread.

Your reaction to farside here is highly questionable. She clearly wasn't saying to put scum-read players on the quiz. What was it that confused you with her statement?

bruh, I need to work on getting townread easier. Why TR TSE? His posting has been weird and I don't think the images are particularly towny.

At this point, what about TSE's posting was weird and why weren't his images townie? What do you think about TSE now?

@midwaybear
Do you have any reads?

I think beeboy and Starbuck could both be town. The disagreement just may be in the way they play the game and not because one's actions were scum motivated.

I read beeboy as town, and I feel like that interaction with Starbuck could be TvT yes. So I townread both of them.
I'm not really confident in anyone right now, so I'm not sure who I would hand the chain to. I would probably give it to NDMath or Starbuck because Starbuck seems pretty genuine and NDMath feels townie.

Have your reads from these posts changed? If so, why?

I'm a bit wary of TSE and unwnd, but I'm not confident in anything yet.

What made you wary of TSE and Unwnd?

In post 244, beeboy wrote:
Math, Spring and unwnd are all players I think need to provide more content or they are just going to get crushed by the POE as this game progresses and I prefer to mislynch/catch scum do to me playing well not them conceding for no good reason.

It sounds like you are saying if people don't give content/post, you are going to push for their lynch. Not sure I really like that.

This, like your statement to farside, is another complete misunderstanding of the statement you responded to. Two times don't make a pattern, so we'll see how things go as I read on.

In post 365, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Well if this isn’t a vanilla only game I wouldn’t be to mad if I get lynched here as I’m a good Lynch role wise.

??? Does this quote make sense to anyone? If you aren't vanilla, then you should know that this isn't vanilla only. Am I going crazy?

@spring
I might pass it to unwnd because I think TSE is scum
Would not pass to TSE

This is a weird push at TSE. How did you go from "his posting is weird" to "TSE is scum"?


Interesting, so spring posts her quiz team and this is your exchange with her:

why farside and starbuck?

Why not?

whatever

Couple questions here:

1. What was it about farside and I being on the quiz team that made you ask in the first place?
2. Why did you stop pushing the question?
3. Why did you turn around and approve the team without getting adequate answers to your questions here?

A bit further after this, you start mimicking Albert's consistent "PASS THE CHAIN" rhetoric, which doesn't really look all that great.

@ABR I already voted yes, so I think it's locked in sorry

Why did you apologize to ABR for voting to approve the quiz team?

pedit: ABR scum tries to coach his scumbuddy in the thread? That's sorta implausible no offense

I don't think this is a great response, especially now seeing how much you were mimicking ABR just prior to this.


This is going to be a multi-parter for ease of reading. Continue on into my next post.

[Starbuck]

midway - Part 2, Electric Boogaloo.

Thinking of passing the chain to Starbuck ngl

So why post this and not pass to me?

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

So then all of a sudden, after town reading me up until 7 posts before this, I'm all of a sudden giving you doubts. It's also concerning that you haven't mentioned Dunn, at all, until this point in the game. Nor anything in regards to farside.

@farside I don't think I really townread TSE. You, starbuck, TSE, and unwnd give me doubts not in the sense of scumread, but I'm pretty sure there are two scum in the 4 of you and probably a scum outside of this subset who is getting TR.

I was one of the only people that you were stating as town until you suddenly changed your tune right before the chain.

You had mentioned TSE and Unwnd as possible scumreads, but then you backtrack here saying they give you doubts but "not in the sense of scumread." So which is it? And what's with the flip flopping?

Why do you think there's 2 scum in the 4 of us?

TSE got townier after a reread, so I wasn't so sure about unwnd. Dunn was a safe choice(IMO), so I went with him. Not sure why ABR scumreads Dunn.

What was it about TSE that made him "townier?"

I'm assuming you're saying that "Dunn was a safe choice" because he was on the quiz team, but so was I. So what would have been the difference between giving it to Dunn or giving it to me?

eh I don't think farside is really townie or scummy so far tbh. Don't see why the NK post should change that.

And here you are flip flopping again on farside

i didn't really TR anyone else besides you, Cakez, and beeboy. Apparently we are saving Cakez(and beeboy now) to be on the end of the chain so I gave it to you. Pink Ball and ND are sorta swingy reads, but they are more townie than TSE, unwnd, farside, starbuck to me.

This is in response to Unwnd, but again, you are flip flopping all over the place seemingly to placate whoever you are speaking to at the moment.

'Cause I'm being townread right now. You can't push me today, you can't scumread me 'cause it will lead to nothing. And you can't townread me either, 'cause if you do, your future case on me is not as good as it would be if you just leave me at null. That's what I think you're doing.

I don't really like how this sounds. I for one do not really townread you, and I get the feel that the people who have townread you didn't really put much thought into it. The next two sentences are also pretty bad...

Who had a townread on PB that didn't put much thought into it? What made you feel that way?

Do we really want spring to be leader? But on the other hand, can't scum always just NK the nominated chain leader so technically spring could always be leader. That would sorta be broken because if spring was scum, she would be untouchable.

It's really hard for me to believe that this idea came solely from you.

I said I was thinking about giving her the chain, but I decided not to because didn't like the defensive nature of her early posts.

When was this a thing? Because I'm reading you in ISO and you never said that.

sircakez tone really feels like a resigned townie
and how are we supposed to use unwnd's role in our favor? I still don't trust him
pedit: lynch unwnd

no
i think we should still keep cakez(sorry unwnd)

This push to lynch a potential town PR is scummy AF.

End of Day 1. Sorry guys, this is longer than I thought, but I'm glad I'm doing it because midway just went from my null pile to my SUPER OMG SCUM pile. Probably above spring.

[Starbuck]

midway - Part 3, ....the road goes ever on and on.....

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday. I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team after not before passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.

Absolutely nothing. Nada. Not a god damn thing about ABR during ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF Day 1 and all of a sudden he's "the scummiest player" and then an added sentence of how ABR is still on your "radar of suspicion," even though you just said that he's the scummiest player. Which is it?

Also, the whole thing about deciding the quiz team after passing the chain, not before, which is weird to me because passing the chain is effectively the lynch. So if we pass the chain and don't have the quiz team sorted, we screw ourselves. So how is that in any way beneficial to the town?

unwnd is safely conf town though.

After all of what you said in regards to unwnd yesterday, all of a sudden, he's conftown?

I have a TR on her, and the quiz failing doesn't exactly point to her being scum.

This statement is odd because it feels like you're saying that you know that the quiz didn't fail due to Raya's actions and maybe you know why it did.

I explained my TR on Raya and unwnd is conf town.

Umm, no. You haven't. You haven't explained a dang thing throughout this entire game.

But I chose Unwnd since I think he's town and we would gain a lot more info from him than we would giving it to Beeboy who was the alternative option.

What do you mean by this? Was his reaction EOD not enough to convince you he’s town?

Anyways, Raya is making me reconsider, so the only person I’m comfortable “recycling” would be farside. Remaining 3 can be me, unwnd, ND.

And here you are just a little later, flip flopping from your town read on Raya. You do know that your TRs can say things that you disagree with and still be town, right?

@Raya We’re not going with the same group because then we’re going to fail again. Sure there might be a tamperer, but it’s still too risky

Why are you saying "we're going to fail again" like it's a sure thing?

Ok, we’re deciding the quiz EOD anyways, so whoever really stands out as townie can get the last spot.

Again, why were you stating this like it was a sure thing?

NDmath is asking for a failed attempt.

Stop scumreading him due to inactivity.

This is quite the jump. beeboy has legitimate concerns about the quiz failing because a possible town NDMath doesn't submit. I also share those concerns. To jump to say he's scumreading ND for that is such a strange overreaction.

Okay, so that's the end of that.

[Starbuck]

So after that delightful read through, I am very glad that Unwnd has left midway off of the quiz team and wholeheartedly believe he should not be receiving the chain today.

[Starbuck]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.

[Starbuck]

She's not that petty.

I mean, look, she even said I'm not that petty.

[Starbuck]

I don't see how the midway case from starbuck just sprang into existence (esp since I suggested that a while back, and since she thinks I'm scum...)

I was going back to re-read him and ND today because I finally had a few hours to really dig into it. In all actuality, you, farside, and Raya bringing up points that I didn't understand regarding him is what made me want to go read.

[Starbuck]

I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on spring, but she's not making it easy.

[Starbuck]

At this point, I'd like ABR's slot and midway at the end of the chain.

[Starbuck]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.

Your setting up mislynches left and right.
First Cake.
Then ABR
Then Spring
Then maybe me?

Not much more left for scum to get a win eh?

I'm not setting up any mislynches. My squabble with SirCakez isn't what made him die. It takes a whole village to lynch somebody and not just me who like 1/2 the player list is seemingly reading as scum even before SirCakez died. So this is a big stretch dude.

[Starbuck]

A thing to note.
Farside and Starbuck refuse to interact with each other in an actual interaction.

What are you talking about? I was interacting with farside all Day yesterday and last night in the Quiz PT, and it's time that I interact with those that I don't read as town.

[Starbuck]

Duh.

[Starbuck]

beeboy! Are you using your phone? You keep adding an S to my name and it sucks.

[Starbuck]

Please and thank you! <3

[Starbuck]

I can't remember if I voted.

Deny Quiz Team

[Starbuck]

Your ISO became much longer than I anticipated, midway. Thank you ahead of time for taking the time to answer.

[Starbuck]

In post 2012, Starbuck wrote:
I'm assuming you're saying that "Dunn was a safe choice" because he was on the quiz team, but so was I. So what would have been the difference between giving it to Dunn or giving it to me?

You were a safe choice?

In the realm of the plan to give the chain to everyone on the quiz team, yes, I think I was.

[Starbuck]

He literally didn't understand why I would have talked with farside in the Quiz PT last night. I mean, come on.

[Starbuck]

What is our vote count on the quiz? I think it's pertinent to hold on the chain for the moment until that approve/deny is through.

[Starbuck]

Chain Order 2.1

unwnd

(5)

- unwnd >beeboy>Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:

(7)

- Titus, Dunnstral Pink Ball, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear,

Quiz Team 2.1

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(4)

- TrueSoulEnergy, Raya36, Titus, unwnd

Decline

(4)

- beeboy, farside22, midwaybear, Starbuck,

Not voting:

(4)

- Dunnstral Pink Ball, NDmath, , springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)

@Mod - you missed spring's vote in her post #1983 - viewtopic.php?p=11880759#p11880759

as well as ND's in his #1980 - viewtopic.php?p=11880715#p11880715

[Starbuck]

I gave up on that since chain leader has full control at that point and I wouldn't be able to change unwnd's mind at that point. In addition I like this team more than the first.

Why?

Because I’m not one of those stupid Town that fuckin push mislynches blindly.

Well, you sure are doing it right now. Imma put this quote in my signature when this game is over.

I got to face it that sometimes people just will never understand when scum is pushing a mislynch like I do.

Is there enough room in this game for all of us AND TSE's ego? Holy shit.

Also, the severe overdefensiveness further down. Yeah, I'd be okay leaving him to the bottom 2.

I didn't attack unwnd.
I voted unwnd to be the leader and stated in the quiz pt a town read on him.
Like nothing you stated actually happened.

He seems to forget that we had a Quiz PT to chat in last night.

Oh wait the last person with the chain doesn’t get chain leader?
The quiz team does?

Ad hom be damned, are you really this dense? Have you not read how the mechanics work?

This is coming off more and more and more as lazy scum, including your severe overdefensiveness.

[Starbuck]

I'm sure Maria is doing real-life stuff, but I don't think Dunn or PB should vote until that vote count is accurate.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck what is your headspace on chain movement right now?
The easy targets are mostly gone so I am curious.

I had gone ahead and started counting the quiz votes shortly before the mod posted hers and had both Approve and Deny at L-1 because I have both spring's and ND's votes (which would have been easily missed if she was just going back to look for votes). I don't want to pass the chain further until all of that is figured out.

Also, looking back at the vote count for the chain, I think the mod left spring off of that, too.

I'm already thinking on PB or Dunn. I didn't have enough time today to go back and do an ISO on either of them like I did on ND and midway, and didn't expect the chain to come around to me this fast. So I figure I'll get that done in the next day or so while the quiz team is figured out. I'm leaning town-ish on both, but I just want to confirm and see if I have any questions for them.

Basically, if the quiz team is approved, I'd probably pass to a member I think is town. Otherwise, if it's denied, I'd wait till unwnd formed the new one and see. I don't want to hold it like a tyrant, either, but I'm concerned about passing it about, getting to the end of the chain, and not having the quiz team settled. I don't know if that would auto-fail the quiz for us or not and I don't necessarily want to find out.

[Starbuck]

Pink ball, the quiz vote is 5-5 right now, it takes 7 to approve the quiz, which means if either one of us denies it it fails. What do you think?

We're one less player without SirCakez. If my math is right, it takes 6. Not 7.

[Starbuck]

Chain Order 2.1

unwnd

(5)

- unwnd >beeboy>Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:

(7)

- Titus, Dunnstral Pink Ball, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear,

Quiz Team 2.1

Purposed Team

(4)

-

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Approve

(4)

- TrueSoulEnergy, Raya36, Titus, unwnd

Decline

(4)

- beeboy, farside22, midwaybear, Starbuck,

Not voting:

(4)

- Dunnstral Pink Ball, NDmath, , springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-18 00:17:43)

@Mod - you missed spring's vote in her post #1983 - viewtopic.php?p=11880759#p11880759

as well as ND's in his #1980 - viewtopic.php?p=11880715#p11880715

This was just a test to see if you were paying attention as I would never make a mod error in my life haha...

I only remembered them because I saw them in real time. If I was you, I probably would have missed them, too. Thank you for going back to verify!

[Starbuck]

Dang. I'm going to check what their reasons were.

Quiz Team.

[Starbuck]

I think that a controversial quiz party is something interesting we could discuss right now before casting our votes.

In one hand, I'd like more approval for the quiz party we are choosing rather than a 50+1%, that's not very good, there should be a party we could all agree more. Also, I think town would be more open on denying a quiz party than scum; in this scenario, no matter if the quiz party is composed by town or not, I think town is rejecting it.

In the other hand, if the proposed quiz party is entirely town, at least one scum is declining it. In that case, I'd love to see if this quiz party passes the quiz, 'cause then we would have a PoE in the people who rejected it. And if the quiz fails, then we have a PoE on the people inside the quiz. It's like... a win win.

I think the latter is solid, but I haven't thought in a better party to propose so I'm not entirely convinced.

Reject Quiz

^ No need to overthink this,

the exact same quiz team can be proposed again if needed

No, it can't.

3) The Chainleader will also nominate a group of players to go on a quiz. Players can vote to approve or deny this pairing.

If the group is denied the chain leader must make a new team.

If the teams are denied 3 times in a row the quiz is automatically lost. YOU MAY ONLY VOTE TO APPROVE OR FAIL A TEAM ONCE PER TEAM

[Starbuck]

What were you reasons on day 2?

I haven't passed it yet.

[Starbuck]

beeboy, did you have anything for me in regards to my response to you in 2222?

[Starbuck]

If everyone's cool, Imma keep holding the chain until this gets sorted.

[Starbuck]

Keep reading, Dunn.

[Starbuck]

Keep reading, Dunn.

The once per team thing means that if I vote to approve the quiz, I can't then change to decline

I was referring to your "we can put the same quiz team up again" remark.

[Starbuck]

You have been wishy washy though. You don't seem to stick with your reads.

[Starbuck]

Raya is someone who I've struggled to pin down since the moment I replaced in.

You didn't replace in, though?

[Starbuck]

He replaced clidd

Oh yeah, it's not reflected on the opening post.

[Starbuck]

bruh she quoted unwnd
are you reading?

+1 and the yuck was at unwnd.

+2. Seriously, TSE.

they were basically going to run the same quiz team?

That was being thrown around and I don't particularly care whether I'm on the Quiz Team or not. However, you put up a team of yourself (which I think is fine), TSE (who's not paying attention and jumping at shadows), ND (who's not around all that much), and Pink (who I'm ok with given his action with the chain yesterday, I still need to read him in ISO). If I only approve of 50% of the team, then that's a deny for me.

I think she was being sarcastic, which begs the question what her problem with my post was

I wasn't being sarcastic. Raya/Farside/Starbuck reads like an all town block scum are desperate to shade.

Given your predecessor, I appreciate this.

I'll townblock with TSE/unwnd/beeboy

Yeah, no. You and TSE aren't making much sense currently and I think you should stay away from beeboy and unwnd.

Dude can we just lynch TSE? I don't give a flying fuck

I'm growing less and less confident in him especially when he doesn't seem to understand basics that we discussed all of yesterday.

We could go with lynching spring.
I'd go 1v1 with that.

I'm not against this at all. She has been absolutely silent. Notice how the thread has been back on track while she has been absent.

ARE PEOPLE NOT FUCKIN READING!?!?

ARE YOU?

Midway is dead and flips when I become Chain Leader.
When I become Chain Leader, Farside dies because they are scum.

Anyone who gives you chain leader is out of their frakking minds.

Like my dream right now is to see Spring/TSE bottom 2 and have mid chose between those 2.
Either way I see a scum flip with either those 2, while others apparently have blinders on.

I wouldn't be mad about this. I'm okay with midway down there, too.

I'm just annoyed that everyone is assuming that I'm dying today.

Welcome to how I've been feeling. I didn't feel safe at all until I got the chain.

But hey thanks for reminding me why i left MS for the time I did. You have brought back many, many unpleasant memories for me.

To be real, this is why I got so upset during yesterday with you and ABR. I didn't expect to come back to that, ya know?

[Starbuck]

unwnd propose another team: I accept anything with beeboy and you on it.

If you were pro-town, you wouldn't propose a candidate who can autofail quizzes.

[Starbuck]

I know she isn't, but as chain leader yesterday, it boggles me that she's suggesting it.

[Starbuck]

I don't like that we have to leave you off either. I'm worried about scum tampering on top of hoping someone doesn't get blocked for trying to help you pass and then it autofails due to your NU anyways.

There's just too many variables.

[Starbuck]

This type of attitude is toxic as fuck. I can't see how Spring nominates someone in active rebellion against him as his first choice to save.

THANK YOU

[Starbuck]

Where the hell is a softclaim here?

That's what we all would like to know.

[Starbuck]

Also you've been here for, like, a week. Am I supposed to believe that you didn't know that Sircakez died?

I was going to ask this same question.

[Starbuck]

Hey Unwnd, we need a new quiz team.

[Starbuck]

The problem with running me+beeboy is that I cannot guarantee the other two people will simply pass, and then beeboy is never allowed to be on the quiz again. Beeboy is a slot scum

wants

to keep around. This is my problem just going with me+Beeboy because then you have a giant hole and scum has more room to sneak in when it's going to count more. This is the time to be risky and be willing to make a mistake.

I'm scared that if we happen to have an all town team then scum could roleblock you and then Beeboy fails the quiz. I think it was Beeboy who mentioned this? The joat could be a roleblocker

That was me here:

I don't like that we have to leave you off either. I'm worried about scum tampering on top of hoping someone doesn't get blocked for trying to help you pass and then it autofails due to your NU anyways.

There's just too many variables.

[Starbuck]

I think the people chainless right now is a bit telling of events in particular. Do people think there is more scum chained or less scum chained? Right now I'm sitting with the ideal that at least one scum is chained, which is why i agreed upon the quiz.

I think there less scum chained and they are trying to figure out how to get it.

@farside, why do you think I'm scum again?

Not repeating myself. Go read my iso and the quiz pt.
Nothing has changed my views about you, especially as you still did the same thing today you did in the pt.

Don't fall down that rabbit hole. It ain't worth it.

[Starbuck]

Approve Quiz Team

[Starbuck]

For the record, spring has either abstained from voting (Day 1 and her own team) or voted to deny (Unwnd's first team) so far throughout the game.

[Starbuck]

SB: Are you passing the chain soon? I'm concerned about deadline I know it's 7 days but we have to at least talk about bottom 2 and i don't see a lot of people discussing that.

Yes, I'm just catching up on what I missed this evening and was going to read PB in ISO real quick. Then make a decision.

The quiz failed yesterday with almost this exact team

What if it doesnt fail lol

Then I get blamed for the day 1 quiz

Not necessarily. I've been leaning town on you and wholeheartedly believe our fail is due to spring. She abstained from the vote and was setting up the plan before we even got in the Quiz PT last night by trying to hand the Chain Leader to beeboy and not Unwnd. I'm not the scum you are looking for and this sudden WK-ing of spring and sudden loss of confidence in me (when I'm not even going to be lynched today) is awkward to say the least.

Im sensing fear amoung scum here.

Same. There's so much scrambling I'm looking for some eggs.

If scum fail the quiz, I refuse to be framed for that voting that team in.

You haven't voted for

ANY

of the quiz teams so far, so it doesn't matter.

Molehill you turn into a mountain.

What molehill did I turn into a mountain?

ALL of them.

How am I scummy for not wanting to vote scum into the QT?

Because you're wrong and if you're really town, your scumdar needs calibration.

This is all spring day 1 on her reasons and thought for the quiz.
She is now against it.
If she thinks scum is on it wouldn't it benefit her read on sb or me or raya or anyone she suspects? So why is she against it.

Yeah, she's completely done a 180. Also, spring's deny means that she abstained from the Quiz Team vote on Day 1 and denied the Quiz Team twice today. This is odd when she specifically said yesterday that town has no reason not to approve quiz teams.

I also think it's odd that she keeps pushing for my lynch when I have the chain.

[Starbuck]

PB ISO Part 1, Go Gadget Go

My ideal quiz team would be SirCakez, spring, unwnd, starbuck and Dunn

This is the quiz team that you proposed on Day 1. Has this changed at all to now? Obviously, SirCakez is gone and we only have 4 slots.

At this point, you were calling out both Raya and Dunn as scum, but I believe your read on Raya changed. What caused the change on Raya? I remember you and beeboy getting pretty up in arms about the universal townread on her. What's your position on Dunn now?

I think it's Dunn, Farside and unwnd

How are you still feeling about this?

@spring, unwnd is town if midwaybear is scum. SirCakez is scum if midwaybear is scum. I'm saving unwnd.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind this. I scumread midwaybear and unwnd and I want to see where I'm wrong if I am.

Read midwaybear's ISO, he's clearly following an agenda and trying to get unwnd lynched and protect SirCakez.

If I'm right, I'm pretty sure the scumteam is midwaybear+Dunnstral+SirCakez

@spring, unwnd is town if midwaybear is scum. SirCakez is scum if midwaybear is scum. I'm saving unwnd.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind this. I scumread midwaybear and unwnd and I want to see where I'm wrong if I am.

Read midwaybear's ISO, he's clearly following an agenda and trying to get unwnd lynched and protect SirCakez.

If I'm right, I'm pretty sure the scumteam is midwaybear+Dunnstral+SirCakez

Alright, I'll take a look

To follow up on this I also noticed that midway never actually mentioned cakez until the chain started moving and in that first mention he suddenly had a town read on him even though it was never mentioned before.

And he gave the chain to Dunn when he NEVER mentioned Dunn before and was saying he would give Starbuck the chain, like a lot. He jumped on me when I called Dunn scum, he's been softly protecting SirCakez when nobody's asking him too.

Are you still feeling this way about midway?


The one thing that concerns me is that you felt like you were saving SirCakez and killing Unwnd at the end of Day 1. I've been so focused on the rabbit holes with spring that I forgot about this. Do you have an explanation or were you just fucking with SirCakez?

[Starbuck]

I don't care whether you have the chain or not, I just state my reads. How is that even scummy may I ask?
Are you really that over the top OMGUS?

No, but I figured you would be pushing for the next person down on your scum list since I can't be lynched today. I do believe that you can multitask. Still hold me as your top scum read and push for your secondary.

[Starbuck]

In post 2588, Starbuck wrote:
You haven't voted for ANY of the quiz teams so far, so it doesn't matter.

Irrevelant.

It's not irrelevant. You can't sit there as chain leader on Day 1 and be all "there's no reason for town not to vote for the quizzes" and not vote for them yourself.

[Starbuck]

ALL of them.

Well, since you can all caps ALL, you may want to specify all occurences.

Literally every time you talk to me. Everything is blown up like the damn Hiroshima bomb. From the Quiz PT last night to any interaction today. You are over the top and overreacting and freaking out.

[Starbuck]

The simplest explanation is that you're scrambling for a defense, preemptively.

+1

[Starbuck]

PB ISO Part 2, Keep on Rollin Rollin Rollin

Good follow up beeboy I think we got what we wanted

There's no way unwnd knew about the mechanics for how lazy he has been

OH DUH. I see what you did. I should have kept re-reading.

@spring I don't want to talk about comunication with the mod, but when I answered the PM I confirmed my role and said "I'll read the ruleset asap, let's goooo" 'cause I didn't know it was part of the confirmation. Never had to do that in a game before.

She brought this up in the Quiz PT trying to discredit you as part of her scum read and it was all sorts of weird.

And getting into your back and forth with her RE: ad hom, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that she's accusing when she's doing plenty of it herself.

PB is in meh pile and not town anymore because his reaction test yesterday felt fake and I feel like he is falling back into the background while the chaos unloads on the town.

I'm falling back into the background because of spring, sorry

Oh hey, welcome to my world. Sorry you got caught up in that.

[Starbuck]

Literally every time you talk to me. Everything is blown up like the damn Hiroshima bomb. From the Quiz PT last night to any interaction today. You are over the top and overreacting and freaking out.

And yet you can specify a single occurrence. Scum.

Because I'm re-reading PB in ISO right now and trying to figure out what I'd like to do with the chain, rather than argue with you and clog up the thread because you can't seem to talk to anyone with any kind of cordiality.

In any case

- you overreacting about me thinking being revealed as chain leader was entertaining
- you accusing me of ad hom every time you talk to me
- being on the hyperdefensive nearly every time I've put anything towards you since the Quiz PT last night (not to mention the way you've been speaking to our other players)
- stating I'm toxic because I'm replying to you in a game where we fake kill people
- your overuse of AtE for those last 3
- freaking out about being framed if you approve any of today's quiz teams
- spiraling down rabbit holes rather than working out a plan with the rest of us that might work

I could go on, but I have other stuff to read besides the same lazy and overreactive case that you think you have on me.

[Starbuck]

The chain must move riot!!!

Sorry, I just finished reading PB and trying to move past the distraction that is spring.

Give me a moment to think.

[Starbuck]

Why are you so hell bent on being in the quiz all three of you btw?

I'm not. I've already said that I don't care if I'm on it or not, but I know that I'm town and I believe the other 3 are town. So I voted to approve.

[Starbuck]

beeboy, give me your top 3 to pass out of who is left, please.

[Starbuck]

^^ This is weird. Like I "don't forget that one thing I did, guys"

[Starbuck]

Out of who we have left and I know he's been real quiet, but I feel like his input has been genuine and not pushy. He's definitely giving his thoughts where needed. I don't like the whole "he's not posting as much" policy thing that's been said because of the stereotype that scum lurk. Scum can also be masking in high post counts/fluff/etc. I appreciated his responses on my ISOs of him and helping me to get a better read on him.

Vote: NDMath

[Starbuck]

Here's the other part of my thought process on ND that I forgot to add above, he followed the plan yesterday when he had a choice not to. I'd like to see what he does with it since all on the quiz currently are saved.

[Starbuck]

Yeah, sorry, I moved from my laptop to my phone as I'm trying to go to sleep but can't stop checking the thread.

[Starbuck]

Here's the other part of my thought process on ND that I forgot to add above, he followed the plan yesterday when he had a choice not to. I'd like to see what he does with it since all on the quiz currently are saved.

Who didn’t follow the plan when they had a choice not to?
What is this logic?,

Let's take a look.....

Chain Order 1.final

springlullaby

(12)

- springlullaby>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>Dunnstral>NDmath>farside22>Starbuck>Raya36>beeboy>TrueSoulEnergy>Pink Ball>unwnd

Chainless:

(1)

- SirCakez

LYNCHED

Quiz Team 1.final

Proposed Team

(5)

-

Springlullaby, farside, Starbuck, Raya36, Dunnstral

Approve

(7)

- Farside22, beeboy, midwaybear, Starbuck, Pink Ball, Dunnstral,Raya36

Hammer

Decline

(4)

- Albert B. Rampage, TrueSoulEnergy, NDmath, unwnd,

Not voting:

(2)

- SirCakez, springlullaby

Deadline is in: (expired on 2020-06-09 23:03:21)

Who didn't follow the plan of saving the quiz team?

Spring, ABR, and Dunn,

[Starbuck]

I mean flipping Midway could be good for town morale 'cause that's a scum lynch right there. I reaaaaally want to be the one to decide between Titus and spring, I didn't want to before, but now I crave for it

If it wasn't ND, it would have been you for me to pass to, but after reading your ISO, you seemed so pumped on this. I didn't want to be the one that made you take your ball and go home.

[Starbuck]

Make sure you bold that so the mod can see it, Titus.

[Starbuck]

Make sure you bold that so the mod can see it, Titus.

I approved it ages ago. I was just campaigning. We need two more votes. Ideally fast because of the deadline.

Hopefully, we can count on Math. I still feel a little hurt you saved Math over me but at least that might help TSE stop his tunnel unless he tunnels you + NDMath.

I feel like you're redeeming the slot immensely, but I'm still not comfortable there. My choices, of who was left, came down to ND, PB, and a far reach on Dunn given his swap abouts recently.

I really disagree with the policy push on ND because I kinda view him like Silent Bob. He isn't a fluffy poster, nor is he over the top aggressive. He seems to say what he means and means what he says, and speaks only when he feels his voice is needed. I can respect that and if I'm totally wrong on him, then y'all can yell at me post-game.

[Starbuck]

You just wanted that page top

[Starbuck]

Oh, I'm sorry, Unwnd. I know that pain personally. Please feel better!

[Starbuck]

Oh Dunn, guess we really know who was scum on yesterday's quiz now.

[Starbuck]

It's either you and Math or my solution.

Wait, what?

[Starbuck]

It's either you and Math or my solution.

Wait, what?

C'mon, why would you give the chain to a known lurker over obvtown who hard townreads you but is getting blazed by scum? That still hurts and makes me wonder if TSE is right.

Your issue with ND is because he's a lurker and not because you think he's scum? I mean, I've had your slot in my scum reads almost all game and I read what you said, but it doesn't fully redeem the slot for me. I wasn't giving you the chain from the get go, so I don't know why you're upset at me now.

You just said that I'm scum with ND but now just said you hard townread me, so which is it?

[Starbuck]

OH FFS, What happened while I was sleeping?

[Starbuck]

[Starbuck]

Wasn't somebody else doing the 'I'm doomed' routine in this game earlier?

+1

At least TSE gets to decide like I wanted

On the plus side, I think it might help my read on him and the flips are going to help reads on others. Hell, I'm getting a lot from how this chain has been passed today. In all actuality, despite the chance of losing PB, we stand to learn a ton through this day.

[Starbuck]

Even if I had passed to PB, other than him being in the bottom two, the same shenanigans would have been occurring. I think.

[Starbuck]

Don't doubt us so soon.

[Starbuck]

This is why everyone is annoyed with you, spring. Use gameplay as your case. This mages you look entirely unsportsmanlike.

[Starbuck]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I would just like you to be a good sportsman all around to everybody whether you think somebody is scum or not. At the end of the day, we're playing a game and you're just going out of your way to make the whole game miserable and I just don't understand why.

[Starbuck]

I don't feel like I'm part of any circle jerk. If you really are town, spring, work with me. Show me what I missing, be part of the plan. Don't sit here and just be crass and rude because you aren't getting your way. This is a cooperative game for a reason.

[Starbuck]

Very surprised the quiz passed

You shouldn't be.

[Starbuck]

Top of my head, I would like Dunn and ND in that group, but I'm not sure who the third person should be.

The 2 people who made us fail on Day 1 should be in that group. Who are you missing?

[Starbuck]

Also RIP Raya, we will avenge you!

[Starbuck]

#townblockstrong

[Starbuck]

What went on during the thread, and why was farside ultimately selected to be our leader(not that I'm complaining).

It was just as cool, calm, and collective as Night 1's Quiz PT should have been (2 pages on N2, vice 7 on N1). Everyone confirmed that they PM'd their pass to mod (on N1, spring was the only person who didn't confirm they PM'd a pass).

As for chain leader, it came down to farside and PB for me. I still wouldn't mind being chain leader, but I'd rather someone who brings everyone together and that might not be me this game. Raya also said that she townreads farside, so I think ND's comment further down about the "clear" might be why she stuck with farside and hence, created our town block. Myself, farside, and Raya all voted and Unwnd was in for a few posts, but I don't think he got back in time before Night ended.

I propose Dunn, midway and spring as the targets for tonight

I second!

My gut townlean still holds on her because I feel like she has been fighting uphill the whole game(sorta like me).

The quiz failed N1. Y'all can see now that it wasn't due to myself, farside, or Raya and EITHER was one of spring or Dunn or both OR something was tampered with. I'm believing that scum was in the group and it's among the 2 who were left out of the quiz last night.

However, if they are that sorta incriminates you(Starbuck) on the virtue of that chain pass to ND.

What incriminates me? That I passed the chain to a town read OR that the quiz passed last night thus giving me, farside, and Unwnd FOR REAL conftown status?

Farside is town? Wow!

RIGHT?


ALSO! TSE, welcome fully to my townreads due to your PB save.

[Starbuck]

that the quiz passed last night thus giving me, farside, and Unwnd FOR REAL conftown status?

FALSE
scum can pass the quiz

No, they wouldn't have given what they would have won.

[Starbuck]

Unwnd, if you rained on my parade and didn't let me prove myself. I'm going to be so mad at you.

[Starbuck]

I must have been gone too long, what's the hurt tag?