Gypyx wrote:Hello, i signed up to mod a mini normal, if i didn't mess up anything i must send you the setup?
Anyways here it is
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Ratio is 10 : 3
Setup :
Town Vengeful
Town Combined Vigilante Hider
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Mailman
VT *5
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon
Gypyx's Mini Normal Review, August 2020
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Gypyx's Mini Normal Review, August 2020
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So, here were my thoughts behind the setup
I wanted a setup with
Spreaded town power (to help with consistency / avoid forcing players to just try to stay alive so that they can use thier power)
Farily high kill potential (first time modding, so i'd like to keep that game fairly short, and i like to reward town for having good reads)
Original / underused roles (might be obvious by looking at the setup)
But other than that the setup is fairly random, i tried to keep a small synergy between the roles while still leaving doubt if massclaim happens
And also, this setup isn't the one i originally designed, but while submitting it, i realized that a role was non-normal so i made a quick fix, maybe it is scumsided but i'm not sureWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Beep boop
How does a vigilante hider work? Wouldn't they die because their target dies?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Exactly, a suicide bomber basicallyWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Idk if I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut until the primary has said his piece but it's schadd so I bet he won't care.
Feels fairly scumsided to me. The vig effectively has the power to dictate the execution for one cycle at the cost of being the NK, which makes it roughly equivalent to one conftown. The role watcher can clear the doctor if the two happen to coordinate. Probably the strongest thing that can happen is if the vengeful gets a kill and then the doctor gets a save, but that seems unlikely because scum will probably know to shoot the ascetic claim when they are on evens.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I see, i'm trying to find ways to rebalance this but i'll wait for schadd's opinionWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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yes it is scumsided - in dispersing the roles you've left none of them very powerful
to begin with i would describe mailman as nothing, neighborhood as nothing and role watcher as close to nothing - a good benchmark for these is that they can't really produce alignment-based info on their own (you would think that players are able to sort better in a neighborhood but empirically that seems to not be very true)
vengeful + suicide bomber, with their powers combined, resemble a 1-shot vig
and then theres a slightly gated doctor, which is still strong but not enough to carry here
if you turned the vigilante into just a full ungated vigilante, i'd think we town was still short. adding some other invest power (something small to combine with the mailman? sounds fun) would do it-
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the secondary reviewer has freedom of expressionIn post 5, Something_Smart wrote:Idk if I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut until the primary has said his piece-
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Hmmmm, how about this?
Town Vengeful
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
Town 1-shot bulletproof
VT *4
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon
Changes made :
Vigilante Hider -> Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Mailman -> Combined Mailman / Vanilla cop
And add a 1-shot bulletproofWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Or, would a universal backup be a good alternative to some of these changes?White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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bothered by the fewness of vanilla roles here - it is generally preferred that at least half of town are VTs. you can solve this by putting the BP on one of the roles - vengeful would be a good idea. i'd pass with that change after i saw the role PMs
not really into UB for this setup, i think it is a more meaningful role when there are fewer PRs-
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So
Town Vengeful 1-shot bulletproof
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
VT *5
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon
Writing the role PM'sWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Just realized i mixed up two roles, i meant to use a traffic analysist instead of a PT cop, i'm changing to that as it doesn't cause much of a difference, i hope you don't mindWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Role Pm's
When executed :
You have been executed ! You have 24 hours to sumbit someone to kill, or to tell that you don't kill anyone
Results :
You saw the following roles visit [TARGET] :- You didn't see anyone visit [TARGET]
You didn't receive any result, your action failed
Results PM :
[TARGET] is not a Vanilla role
[TARGET] is a Vanilla role
You didn't receive any result, your action failed
Mail PM :
You received a private message from another player ! It says : [MAIL]
Results PM :
[TARGET] has access to private communication
[TARGET] doesn't has access to private communication
You didn't receive any result, your action failed
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Uhhh, sorry for the size problems, my mistake
Also, i guess i should get a backup mod, where is a good place to ask i someone would want to be a backup mod?White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Nevermind, found the backup mod subforumWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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role PMs good
Q for implo: does rolewatcher give a full rolecop result on the perpetrator or just the component that did the action-
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It gives a Full rolecop result (but without saying on who).
Role watcher: target a player. You will receive a list of all roles that target them, or you will be told that your action failed. This ability sees roles, not actions; so, for instance, if a loyal cop targets someone, this role would say that a loyal cop targeted them. If a doctor fruit vendor protected someone, this role would say that a doctor fruit vendor targeted them, but would not be able to tell whether they were protected or vended to.-
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So... review is done or is there still stuff left to do? (sorry if i sound impatient, i might be overhyped to mod this ^^')White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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this is ready for signups-
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Alright, thanks for reviewingWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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Thanks, by the way i'm still looking for a backup moderator (more as a safety measure) and i haven't received anyone interested so would someone here mind giving a hand?White Flag : Carebear Edition is in signups ! (11/13) sign up if you want a low pressure, high friendliness game !
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