osuka wrote:in any case - if elite bodyguard is not just a modified bodyguard and in fact a different role (so not normal), _or_ if the traitor strongman cannot actually commit a night kill, then we'll go with the following:
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1x even-night traffic analyst 1x non-consecutive 2-shot town jailkeeper 1x odd-night town doctor 1x town weak visitor 1x town gunsmith 1x town neighbor 4x vanilla townies 1x traitor disloyal neighborizer 1x mafia even night commuter 1x mafia neighbor
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There was an earlier draft that I pointed out some non-normalcy issues with.
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Rough draft is very townsided"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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I think it's more than one role cut from being balanced. I'm supposed to make counter offers but you have so much town power you can carve away it my be more productive to see a second draft."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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i think we get rid of the doctor and make the gunsmith odd-nightcheck out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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on the phone right now so it’s hard to post a complete list but pretend like it is here
should we give scum more utility as well?check out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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I think that traitor disloyal neighborizer is both a really negative utility role for scum as well as just a really bad feeling role to have, both for the traitor and the scumteam at large. Optimal play there is probably just never to use the role, which I think probably indicates something should change.-
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Oh I missed that interaction, using the role makes the traitor appear guilty. Holstering makes the traitor a godfather."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Yeah, and even without the TA interaction you don't want to clear the people in your neighborhood after your death-
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how about traitor combined cop neighborizer? that gives less info to town on a traitor flip
the idea behind disloyal was for there to be a misleading pseudo soft clear on the mafia neighborcheck out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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I think what you want to do is flipflop it. Make the group scum member a simple neighborizer and make sure the partner has a PR.
Then give the traitor a fixed N0 neighborhood"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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The scumpartner doesn't actually need a PR nevermind, the mafias can already communicate with eachother"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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so traitor neighbor and mafia neighborizer?check out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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Right"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Right"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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what if we make a town neighborizer and give mafia another pr? say we have cop traitor and mafia roleblockercheck out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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I'm not sure if cop traitor is something that would be considered normal or not. A mafia cop would make more sense.
I think some players consider roles that cannot do anything bastard, at least in some contexts, and I think that'd be one of those contexts."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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traitor neighbor and mafia neighbor rolecop + mafia rolestopper? no neighborizer here, but one town neighborcheck out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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disagree, i think that traitor cop is normal and i even think it's been done beforeIn post 17, Isis wrote:I'm not sure if cop traitor is something that would be considered normal or not. A mafia cop would make more sense.
I think some players consider roles that cannot do anything bastard, at least in some contexts, and I think that'd be one of those contexts.
i think i've lost track a bit of the setup as it stands but i'm a decent enough fan of traitor cop. i even think traitor combined cop neighborizer is kind of interesting-
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so how about
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i'm a fan of the setup above and i think it captures the original spirit i had in mindcheck out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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nsg is more familiar with normals than i am so if she says traitor cop is normal it's normal
this setup is ok aesthetically but I think the town power level is still really high."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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are any of the tprs particular pain points for you?check out osuka's votecounter + modtools, and get to know an idiot (me!)
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I think it's ok if you cut the weak visitor."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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