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[Wright and Justice]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

Also forewarning gamma and i have determined to take a break from mafia before this game and decided to stay in signups and play this one out so he may be inactive based on circumstances - while normally being inactive in thread is a scumtell for gamma it will be NAI here(as we are town anyway)

I told Koba off in the hydra chat but I can now actually straight up state lurkscum!Gamma is not a thing at all because of Slaughter Hour
The only time lurking is AI for me is if it's as a response to game stimuli, which is hard for some to parse, and I also can end up lurking because I just feel bad for not being active which causes a spiral so game stimuli-related lurking can still end up NAI

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

OK first things first

DONT CLAIM IF YOU HAVE A HOOD OR YOUR HOOD PARTNER UNLESS YOU ARE AT RISK OF ELIMINATION

Second of all - if you are the friendly water spirit or whatever GB has called the friendly neighbor this game - DONT PLAY LIKE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SELF CLEAR - it is a bad strategy. Play to

roleswap

- and to the townies who have hoods -

BE OPEN TO ROLESWAP.

.
Third thing:

SORT IN YOUR HOOD IF YOU HAVE ONE.

Don't let it go to waste. Grill your hoodmate. You want to either be able to turn that shit into a masonry or find a scum within in. Don't let it go to waste. Don't make it obvious you have a hood either - make sure to mirror your pushes within the game too.
4th thing: THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU DONT SEE - so dont be alarmed that someone might have a read that seems TMI on 1 other person, or has seemingly jarring progression! It's just entirely possible they sorted within their hood! There are 4 hoods in this game - remember that!

dumping this for start of game c/p here

this is a terrible idea to play hood games btw. This is a micro, not a large, the game thread needs to know what is going on in the hoods or it becomes impossible to form a town cohesion. Given the margin of error due to micros, we don't have as many days to waste.

Seems like town you would know that. Scum like to keep things in the hoods because it is easier to control the narrative and the perspective of one person, as opposed to an town.

okay, you seem to assume that town paired with scum would be easy prey to manipulation. I at least have learned to keep my guard up.

-Justice

[Wright and Justice]

Also the scum mollie i played against was very under the radar and this is the exact opposite for an entrance.

I recently played with town!pm and she definitely felt different even factoring in the circumstances

-Justice

[pirate mollie]

Don't change the subject -

Now why out the hood then?

Math + pace of game + scummy posts in hood + shade throwing + general tonal read from your combined hydra posts is that you feel cornered.

Waiting for everyone to check in.

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point, but instead you keep trying to drag things behind the scenes in order to keep things quiet.

And speaking of dodging...what was your role in the game where this game had the same set up?

I asked this, but maybe you missed it...

[Wright and Justice]

Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

1. I never said I was pushing you for anti-town mechs, I was pushing you because several things that seemed internally inconsistent to town!you that I had experienced, admittedly limitedly, did not add up. And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

2. I liked IV's reaction. I think I even said that. It is called a gut read, which you seemed super hyped about with Tm3, but suddenly have an aversion to it.

It would be nice to hear from other players in the game.

1) citation needed.
2) why did you like it? What about the rest of their play? I have stated t3 is null so saying i was hyped is a lie.

[Wright and Justice]

Don't change the subject -

Now why out the hood then?

Math + pace of game + scummy posts in hood + shade throwing + general tonal read from your combined hydra posts is that you feel cornered.

Waiting for everyone to check in.

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point, but instead you keep trying to drag things behind the scenes in order to keep things quiet.

And speaking of dodging...what was your role in the game where this game had the same set up?

I asked this, but maybe you missed it...

Please cite where you are getting this idea of town me - you make claims but dont back them up .. even when asked.

And you can actually read the game.i linked and find out yourself.

[Wright and Justice]

Mollie you seem mostly concerned about my posts where i am oushing people and putting pressure on them - seems to be a oattern overall. Do you not want me to sort people?

[Wright and Justice]

Like im starting to feel strongly you are trying hard to discredit me - and with IV solidly in their scum meta right now - the agenda is fairly reasonable to see

[innocentvillager]

I am not readable yet

I am an easy read but it’s not going to happen right now lol

[innocentvillager]

well actually why don’t you tell me what you think you see I guess.

[innocentvillager]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Wright and Justice huehue

[AliceK]

Hello everyone. Wow already 5 pages. But most of it comes from Wright and Justice.

[Facebones]

And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

Can you please elaborate more on this?

[Wright and Justice]

And your posts in our hood are pretty scummy.

Can you please elaborate more on this?

Tldr, we are talking a lot and asking a lot of questions.
After some thought it doesnt feel like mollie wants to honestly engage with us and i took a look at a past town game and rhey are perfectly able to be cooperative and reasonable.

[Wright and Justice]

I can paraphrase the whole hood but its already 4 pages, 3 of which are me

[Wright and Justice]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

[Wright and Justice]

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

[Wright and Justice]

Mollie in the hood has seemed to be trying hard to find things that can be framed as scummy rather than trying to sort us - as if they want to start from a conclusion we are scum and work backwards from there. It doesn't feel genuine - and there is a way it is town in that they are playing with their ego and such - but my attempts at good faith engagement have been shot down constantly.

[Facebones]

I can paraphrase the whole hood but its already 4 pages, 3 of which are me

Sounds about right, haha. Thank you for your input.
Would like to also hear from Molly also, getting to learn different perspectives is helpful.

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

I kinda get it? I mean I have no idea what 48 was about either. What is there to like about this reaction from IV? It doesn't add anything of value and comes across more as dazed and confused. I just assumed Molly was joking

People do do weird shit on D1 to garner reactions, it gets the people going

[Facebones]

Maybe I am having a ridiculous expectation of your townplay, but it seems to me right about now

town!you would be worried about town!eliminations at this point

Worried about town!eliminations at this point?
This point is still VERY early on D1.
They should be trying to class people as either town or mafia

How can they be worried about town!elims if they don't know who's town?

[HoldenGolden]

Spoiler: FM post spoilered for length of quote chain

Why not wait? Im impatient as a player. I like to speak my mind.
I'd appreciate the shade for what is just informimg you of the meta of a difficult to read player to be dropped btw. I was trying to prevent a state where the conversation starts revolving around t3 and i dont think thats useful ever esp on d1.

So what you are trying to do is steer the game. Right?

Yes I am - that is my MO as town pretty much always especially in setups I know and playerlists I feel comfortable with.

Can you explain why you think outting the FN is acceptable on d1? Thats what you want according to your push here.
I never suggested.that hoods never out but that people actually push their hoodmate if they think something is up.
You're not reading my whole post amd just looking at small specific points.
Again - i can happily link you to me treating this setup the same last year *as town*
And nobody here has played with me that time so i could have pretended that game doesnt exist and push hoods to claim.

1. You try to steer the game as town, I'll give you that. You did it in the game I played with you. But...who do you know in this playerlist? Because you asked

me

in our hood, but never answered yourself. And apparently, you do know a lot of people.

What an interesting thing to refrain from sharing, especially since you are flexing who you do know in the game threa

d. Also...were you the friendly neighbor in that game? I haven't looked it up.
2. Okay. Well I am pushing you.
3. What post are you referring to?
4. There is a difference in self meta as scum, compared to self meta as town. It is an unconscious tell, where people focus more on

what

they did, and not

why

they did it or the strategy and thinking process behind it.
5. Why would you refer to the game exclusively as town, and not as scum? As scum, you have 1 game as town where you used a specific strategy and won it. It would be silly not to self-vet this as scum.

And you are not silly, from my limited experience. You played fantastic as town, I can see you easily suggesting this strategy as scum

.

And you have pinged all over the place in our hood, I mean, where do I start

.

Wright and Justice vs FM feels like SvS ironically to me

This may be an absolutely dumb ass question, but if ya are in a hood, why are you also directly arguing with eachother here? It be better spent trying to illustrate to us why the other member is scum instead of taking pot shots at eachother. Not to mention also just lead to more interactions.

Anyways back to the SvS thing. The whole conversation has an artifical vibe of hostility around it. I fully can accept that a TvT interaction this early in D1 could be anger filled too, but the way its being done here doesn't collide with that. Normally when TvT's fight its more explosive and natural. Here, it seems more passive and forced from the lens of an outsider to their pt.

For example with the quoted post, i can agree with some of the logic (4, 5) but its presented with that tonal issues as seen in the colored sections(apologies to anyone colorblind):

Red: vague language; insulates that it's 'interesting' yet what does that even mean in the context of leading the thread? I feel if you think their withdraw from stating who they played with is scummy, then that has some implications regarding their interactions with people like T3. Yet that isn't explored in favor of just prodding that it's strange.

Green: completely throw away part of message. Virtue signals scummy behavior to the rest of us without actual contextulzing it. Tonal wise is in contrast to the thing above it in yellow. Yellow comment is pushing the narrative that Wright is clever enough to munch off past game credibility, yet green shows a carelessness implied from slipping a bunch in their pt. Therefore I don't really follow what picture FM has overall.


Obviously if their hood claim is true, which seems a given, then it can really only be TvS. I quoted FM, but I have some of the same issues with Wright and Justice too. Just don't have time rn to go in detail.

Thoughts? Is my metric wrong or does it make sense?

[Facebones]

I have a thought

I don't quite understand how you got from

Wright and Justice vs FM feels like SvS ironically to me

to

Obviously if their hood claim is true, which seems a given, then it can really only be TvS

Can you explain again being less verbose this time please?

[HoldenGolden]

I have a thought

I don't quite understand how you got from

Wright and Justice vs FM feels like SvS ironically to me

to

Obviously if their hood claim is true, which seems a given, then it can really only be TvS

Can you explain again being less verbose this time please?

Ah yeah a result of waking up. Here:

>Their interaction has the characteristics I prescribed to an SvS interaction tonally, and does not feel like an TvT interaction.

>They clearly are in a hood together as par their own wording.

>therefore according to the rules of the game the interaction is either TvS or TvT. Since I don't feel it's TvT, it's TvS in my eyes.